In today’s episode, Steve, Sam, and James are joined by Ella as they take a deep dive into the role of spirituality in recovery. They discuss the balance between spirituality and religion, exploring what it means to seek a connection with something beyond oneself without necessarily aligning with organized religion. Each guest shares their unique struggles and perspectives, from dealing with judgment and perfectionism to the courage required to open up to others. They consider how shame and perfectionism show up in both religious settings and recovery groups, affecting the journey to self-acceptance. This episode ends with an invitation to reflect on the barriers we face in connecting with others and with a higher power.