Welcome to the GCP, your host Kenneth brown, MD along side Eric Rieger, CRNA. Dr. Brown introduces why he launched the project and where he wants to take the project in his journey to bridge the gap between medical and natural science. Check your ego at the door and listen up to the GCP!

All right welcome to the gut check projects I am Eric Rager and I am joined by your host on the object project the board-certified gastroenterologist Dr. Kim Brown what of your own show while so we are now on the gut check project this is the inaugural show John just thinking that we been planning on doing something like this for a long time with this incredible opportunity to do it with these great mentors Jeff Patrick and all these other great guys here doing this incredible production value now we have a studio on thinking that maybe our tagline should be something like the gut check project let's all check our egos at the door and learn from each other nothing is off the table nothing is off the table in fact we have a bunch of stuff on a table so this is our first episode people may say get check project sounds great who in the hell is that guy he says he's a doctor but is not wearing scrubs want you tell us a little about yourself Dr. Brown so my name is Kenneth from a board certified guesser neurologist I do want to back up just a second and explain exactly why were here because of a few weeks ago I had the opportunity and the pleasure to come and actually be a guest on Dr. Thompson's show here on mojo 5.0 chair and then we came over to spoony radio and we had a great show you can go to the YouTube channel take a look at that and unfortunately a few days later he was actually tragically killed so I just want to pay respects to that and say thank you we wouldn't be here without him I had such a great time with him and he's the one that explained man you you can do this you guys should have your own show it's really fun so unfortunately you know we lost as great guy and he's the he's the real reason why were sitting in this particular Studios I got so excited hanging out with him so no doubt yeah so as I said my name is Ken Brown board-certified gastroenterologist I'll give you almost give you the whole story this probably led people to don't know anything about me so I probably don't I'm I was actually born in Lubbock Texas that's right big red raider big red raider briefly parents moved almost immediately to Nebraska so I consider myself more of a Nebraskan and I went to medical school Nebraska my fourth year of med school and scraping ice off my car and I just went now done with this move someplace cool and warm and I just ran to Texas and so I end up doing the rest my training in San Antonio and became board medicine certified in internal medicine and then gastroenterology and since then moved to the Dallas area Plano Texas have been practicing astrobiology for while too long now capture a good while not a rear end yeah yeah a lot yeah we do I know you know I may, but Dr. that's why say nothing is off the table were over here and so I have two kids I have a Puerto Rican wife so we speak Spanish in the house I worked very hard so that my family can play a lot of tennis and world spoony radio we got chef Patrick being a mentor here and as it turns out my family's total foodies we love sort of bonding around foods was a perfect environment when this diner setting to great way to launch the show so I will ask you Eric super fly reader think that's your juror yeah yeah now would I? My parents always told me to find the esoteric I know that you are a child actor would breathe. You did you are a rodeo clown right and then your male model yet and so what if what you doing now besides help me host the show well I was in the middle of inventing a mechanism to create high temperature ice cubes and I didn't really work out so I was a melting every time there was nothing I could do but I will say that that led to me deciding to become a cRNA or a certified registered nurse anesthetist in and back in 2012 and in meeting you and we've been I was your anesthesia provider is that you are working in gastroenterology and course I work get a few places outside of the G.I. clinic to deliver anesthesia as well but I also have a wife and two sons they are not into tennis but very much into a competitive basketball and both in high school now and so that basically led to me working alongside you and next thing I know just like every aspiring gastro neurologist and anesthesia provider I ended up on a podcast there we go so you so it looks like your tRNA you've got kids that are heavily involved in basketball trip I do believe you work for another company called trying to let you dear to my heart which will talk a little bit yeah and you even have worked for a particular company and still have a part owner of that right yeah I am a small owner of that at one of my best friends I grew up with in Gainesville Texas his name is Scott Willis and several years ago he just approached me and said I'm gonna start to kill company by myself unless you want to help and I knew nothing about an essay that sounds great let's do it so we asked people for money with a like to invest into killing people like investing in alcohol and he back in 2012 when I met you he launched tequila 512 and that's based at Austin and they slowly are going out as an organic tequila and he's a doing quite well very excited so we both are involved in several companies this what happens when ADD just meets momentum and just keep going and we decide yeah let you several podcast now beautiful studio that has no great mentors like I'd mention like working I have the ability to have his high production value would get the cameras this is stuff that we could never do with you and I have talked about in the pockets before but I'm so excited that were on spoony radio right now to actually launch this weave we been involved with a lot of great people of last few years I but I've done a lot of podcasts without question yeah and we've made some great contacts and basically all those guys everyone the practice we got on guys like Chris Presser and Rob Wolf and I could just name we've Done Ben Greenfield Tunl., Park as they've all been so clueless and kept in touch and said would you guys have your own show we can do this I would love for spoony radio to get big enough that we can start flying these people and having great shows and talk about different things that's my ultimate goal with this so no support of the shows will be really important I would say with the mentorship of Doc Thompson in the course in his wake you still have Patrick you still have Ron you still have that Tom and all the company really picking up and pressing with spoony radio that it won't be long until that happens and you know you do doesn't just stop at those that podcast that you mentioned in your event on know you even on the wellness mama you even Rhonda Karen Fitzgerald the exposure that you had there from the going on all those different types of podcast I think is well this is really eye-opening so tell Silbert about why are you doing this podcast after doing all of those podcasts every time that we have the opportunity to go on with such great people that were really established if they had like Melanie Avalon okay intermittent fasting I went on her intermittent fasting podcast and because of the research I did for that now I practice intermittent fasting so I start looking at what everybody's messages we look at Ben Greenfield's bio hacker love the stuff is doing I looking everything that he has going on that's all, now I have a infrared sauna I got a vibration plate I got I'm doing all the file hacking because of going on been showing talking him but all that stuff and you know I essentially I read Rob Wolf's first book I have read a second book yet but his first book of the pillow solution great book I realize oh my goodness I I'm wanted to change my diet here so that we can I can be more pale you every time I go to show Chris Kress or the compressor Institute holy cow fantastic functional medicine doctor I'm a traditionally trained MD and honestly he opened up my world to the aspect of treating a patient holistically and working on their lifestyle to make everything better he was the first person that I got in close contact with it was actually talking like that so every time we do want these podcasts I grow from it I become more robust I become a more holistic I've just grown from being a traditional trained MD to more of a functional gastroenterologist and I really want to thank every podcast I've been on a map to get some really fun ones with sexy brain the author sexy brain right that was a superfund one sure it's just her whole philosophy is that you have to as we age continued of sexuality in promoting that protecting the brain and you start seeing certain themes what were seeing is protect the brain in my motto it's all health begins and ends in the got pregnant you get is unhealthy everything else is going to start breaking down on you so we can protect your gut and we know we can protect your brain and if I can get you to sleep then we know that all the pillars of health are covered and were going to hopefully bring all these people in to give their expertise in each one of the spots that's gonna be the real goal of the show is to bring education that I'm out there talking to people with after I would do is show I was shocked at how many people would contact me from all over the country if not all over the world and they would set her doing this podcast you mentioned this one thing can you expand on that a little bit more like while they're emailing neither do this I just on the podcast that was it people try to make appointments with me because they were so frustrated that their doctors were not listening to them and here I am learning from authors we have bio hackers we've got athletes with professional athletes that we been talking to I feel like with the whole point of gut check project is check your ego at the door let's learn from each other and if we can learn from each other and I can get that message out to more people I truly believe that we can change the landscape of health someone to say something here I've known you for several years so I know and I seen your patients come through and I've seen where a lot of this genesis of new ideas and new applications of what you want to do with your patients and how they begin to receive it because we see them in the G.I. lab and we seen the from the very beginning and 70 they begin to feel better and they talk about not only how is it affected them but how they want to share that message with their own family and then lo and behold I believe the first actual podcast that you went on he didn't have any warm-ups you went straight to Chris Chris or because we literally did not know what you're getting into and it that point you went on and really it was less than 24 hours it was published it suddenly phones email website traffic on and on and on people began to reach out to you long outside or far outside your nucleus of where you have your practice and in North Texas it was multiple states tell me what about that what he did do for you to recognize what that platform is doing for you and the message that you had for people to get better what that told me was that the people that were listening to that podcast had a trusted source there was no agenda it's just somebody that they trusted and they listen to that and they wanted to continue to believe in whatever he was sent okay when it's a podcast you have the ability to subscribe or not got stuck in traffic and I just pops up and it does this this is what this shows going to be about I want to talk about stuff that I truly believe it also I want to talk about things that I have seen success with I have a lot of patients that have had tremendous success of doing diet changes supplements no change a few things work out routines and I get tremendous benefit from that and none of that other doctors are talking like that will the platform is bigger than this we have to get the word out when I learned something I want everyone to get better so what Chris showed me was we just jumped right in that that medium is so powerful if you're honest if you're talking science if you're backing it up in your bringing guests on that are doing the exact same thing that's what I want to do with this I want to bring typical scientist like that to talk research to help out with that kind of thing so somebody has a question let us know hey can you talk to us about antiaging will reach out to me that I have goals and aspirations Peter Addie as I'm a huge fan of him if you don't know who he is he is an antiaging specialist pseudo-roots I get some other interests also jujitsu and things like that you know eventually will have some you know Joe Rogan on the show that's my aspiration to show off you may be a little much on the first show to say that but I think we can bring it work a merger bridge the gap between traditional medicine and functional science or natural solutions okay so you just hit on something else in another room to touch on eventually and just so people know the idea behind gut check project is every Thursday from 9 AM to 11 AM central central time we will stream live and in the course will be available recorded after that but every Thursday that's going to be to get check project and while we know that that's all going to do going to have basic themes every single time that we do that and what has enabled us to D's to decide Dr. Brown how to reach out to people on this medium is that he does want to bridge the gap so that something I know they were going to talk about the next half hour but what is it to you to bridge that gap what is that mean specifically because I know that it's between medical in natural science and the applications of the two what started my practice I came out of this the classic Midwestern medical school training center and as I've mentioned of learned a lot there about different disease applications in different to the disease states and then once I start my practice I started doing clinical research and pharmaceutical products that were being developed and it was fascinating to me I saw the whole process of how a drug a compound starts what they have to do to get it to market how they have to get it FDA approved the studies that are done and I did those studies there's limitations set it costs to hunt them on a ton of money and you not to spend $30 million to get a drug approved if you're not, stacking the deck your way so realize that there's we need research when I went to medical school it was the dawn of the evidence-based medicine approach or so before that it was always you know you just had this mentorship were the guy in front of you taught you what they did and so on that was the Socratic method of teaching now all of a sudden were talking oh we need evidence-based medicine that everything became evident the numbers didn't add up no go no go yeah will guess what if you get enough money those numbers can add yeah something you can buy some go you can buy some go yeah and that's all that's what I was seeing so because of the traditional research that I was doing I actually was able to find some holes and that's how we ended up developing a product called archer until my baby very close to me if you have any washing you can see this is arch until I saw green packaging will get into that a little bit more but bottom line is do me a favor everybody go to love my tummy.com/spoony spoony SP 00 NY show some love you we want to support this station not just for us but also word trying to make sure that Dr. Thompson's vision keeps growing keeps growing and that's one way to do it is to support the sponsors happens to be that I'm honored that my own company is a sponsor and still offers the 100% moneyback guarantee and they did it before we're given a show that's what so cool yeah oh yes they did so props through our CEO Chuck for taking a bit of chance there and hopefully will continue to grow subject so we have talked over the bridge again you've obviously hit on the fact that you are the creator and a researcher behind the development of John Teal it is a natural solution you did do testing on it for IBS bed legally here in the United States have say bloating ironically enough though when the product was invited with open arms by the intervening Canada what is it we can St. Canada a as he cracks a Molson so yeah it's very fascinating we just got our NPS and NPS the Indian NPN number in Canada and in Canada there is a very different than the US they actually they don't want you to talk around issues like what do your studies what is show what is it show what is the disease state so in Canada were in Canada our new labeling says irritable bowel syndrome in Canada and not have to give some props out to I I do a lot of hemorrhoid work and the hemorrhoid work the company that I was using CRH medical actually called them this week because like how we market in Canada how do we team up to do this as it happens the the the products and not try to help with bloating and constipation which ultimately bloating constipation causes hemorrhoids and liquids team up so that's another thing that will get into but it's fun note launching a different country different culture try to feel what's going on so yeah so in Canada we can say irritable bowel here we gotta say bloating and the vague terms what were all looking around and shifting our heads because this is our first half hour ever the yeah of the gut check project but what I can tell you is you view tuned in so far hang with this for the next hour and half we can talk a little bit about what it was for Dr. Brown to research what it was about the creation of John Teal where he is on the ideas of the cannabis industry natural naturally apply medications on and on and were still going to get into some of the fun stuff in fact what's is all God's name you can guess go ahead and email us the first 17,000 people to email this will get a green too thick yes so the inaugural show we realize that we needed a mascot were calling this guy got see he's up frog on a toilet with a phone correct and I figured that if we had somebody here gutsy that if somebody had a question I couldn't answer we have this little guy call up an expert because of all the work we've been doing I do know a lot experts do know people there are experts in all kinds of things you have an expert next week were to have an expert next week that's correct and probable have experts every single week on topics of anyone has any topics they want to cover KB MD health Pat Sajak came out with stage IV pancreatic cancer to wrong I'm wrong with that database Alex Tribbett will extra back they I watch a lot of TV sound now you did not ask it in the form of question here you did not so it's very sad but I cannot today and I started thinking I was like oh my gosh I had people texting me all morning long hey what does stage IV cancer pinker cancer may not like them when my partners I got to partners or pancreatic experts that will tell you everything about that that's what these guys do we have a pancreatic surgeon that I work with all the time you see a statement Naomi Joshua so he was so brave he did it and is very is very professional tone and even through to a joke saying he knows he's going to survive because he's got three years left on his contract and amp and it's it's of incredibly difficult thing to go through knowing that he I believe is 70 years old is he really saying he looks amazing he looks incredible after all those insults by Sean Connery through still looks like Eric and sucker Trebek had no eyes shut up saying I live and the yeah the Jeopardy's lead with that will Ferrell and all and in the Sean Connery and Burt Reynolds impressions Ella some of the greatest things when I saw that that he actually a bank of cancer for sale but it was S&L yeah gotta watch you not actually watch Jeopardy but the first thing I thought of but that's good for him for embracing it and things like that bring awareness so if there's anything like that going on were delivering those experts people have questions let's talk about different things that help prevent that like healthy lifestyles and really big in the diet various diets and all do them all one of the route you want to think is going on these various podcast meeting people I do a lot of lecturing and Saul go to like Paley why faxes yeah right one of love that come from great conference great conference and got a note the opportunity to actually lecture this year there will probably be lecturing next year also Michelle Noris called me up and said man we really want you to come back there's a great example of the ability of diet to just completely change people's lives Mediterranean diet in no profound anticancer diet and you were to hidden all that stuff check but it's not just going to be my opinion it's going to be backed by science we can sit there and talk about it working to try and bridge that gap like we mentioned and if it's complex conflicting with complex something that's really complex as the Endo cannabinoid system the ECS and in fact then actually leads into a little bit something else we we may have neglected and this is a gut check project the gut check project is basically brought to you by KB MD health so this is Ken Brown can Brown medical doctor so KB MD health.com is where you can find a lot of the research it will be posting is a brand-new website started a week ago and from there will be able to help bridge that gap and show your methods in terms of the research the proven science what works what doesn't work and you can even give suggestions on people you would like to see him get check project from KB MD health I don't it's we talked about Halifax I think it was three years ago that I would spell effects of the speaker just to check out to see if we should be a sponsor and that's what I want by the elixir no oh yes and a looks and all is I've since learned is a company that is fantastic they been doing the right thing the entire time tossing IG industry really vetted a lot of companies and ultimately is the company that I partnered with but is really funny because what happened as I walked by the booth and a person is not friend Christine said this is three years ago hey you you know anything about the ECS and I am a medical doctor like I know absolutely nothing and she just proceeded to vomit so much information on me that I liked what I'll buy a case ship it to my office and I literally handed out hemp garage CBD to my patients for free and I just said look I know what she was saying at that time to there's so much information was coming at me so fast all I know is that just about every patient came back and said I need more of that and that's when I knew that okay I need to do a deep dive for the last three years I've been really diving deep into this doing more research this is a functional medicine type research were to find different ways to apply this but using science will have fun but I also want to talk science downdraft talk sets in fact working to get into that later today about ECS and what it is that it means to you and then I think you and I can both completely admit that regardless to manage the training or your med school and why not ECS not talked about we talked about the digestive system we talked about the skeletal system nervous system etc. that particular system which everyone has completely and it's fascinating because it's just not talk about a medical school and so when you go to medical schools do we get busy yet and we don't know that's our job will be teaching that and were looking over at one of our mentors here we got music, and I guess that means we need executive break as the first half-hour catching project holy child thank you all for joining us we will be back here at the bottom now you can fly anywhere in the world and paid discount prices on your airline tickets flight today to London Paris Madrid or anywhere else you want to go and pay a lot less Gary call the international travel department right now low-cost airlines 800 452-107-5800 452-1075 that's 800-452-1075 fast-track student loans can get your student loans out of the vault stop any wage garnishments stop 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The medical director of that and this is super exciting because ridges own happens to actually function like a typical cannabinoid that said the science that we could get into the oh EA oh eat a fascinating it is in all of oil extract that when he gets in small bowel it gets broken down into something that functions like an Endo cannabinoid it suppresses your diet I have no stock in the company of anointing only CJ and his CEO Cecile Sasi Sasi on CJ and Sasi Excel 1 of the things that I do want to bring up on the show for everyone I want everyone have all the knowledge I want every company to succeed I want every advertiser do well basically what I'm saying is a rising tide lifts all ships it does indeed just to reset this is Dr. Ken Brown this is his first episode of the gut check project he is a board-certified guesser neurologist so we left off last half hour talking a little bit about will why were here and the whole idea schedule bit more specifics here for this half-hour so you last half-hour you mentioned that your you want to build bridges between natural and medical science and that's a really kind of the flyover term is a lot of debt to that and I've seen a lot of that debt since you have been working together so once you go ahead and and tell us a little bit about what that isn't what led you from going to med school working as a gastroenterologist all the way down to the road where you want to see what works on both sides both medically and naturally so like all things always go back to school thing signed like all things I think one of the most influential people that has affected my career is getting Leonard Woods was a physical therapist somebody that I also get even a step back further and so good work you have all these people is just so I grew up with a great friend and Junior Bryant he played and of going to Notre Dame and played football there in 49 or 49 of them played for about 12 years and 49 as well a lot of people don't know is that his eighth grade summer a water heater exploded and burned him with his mother he ended up living with me because his mom still in the hospital so he calls me up for Michigan and says the doctors go discharge me I kinda need a place to go riding and asked my parents right beside you live with me still dental my mom and dad hey Junior as you live with us so he spent some time with us and a moment happen where the doorbell rang and again I said my name is Leonard Woods I hear that you have young man has been burned I'm a physical therapist I want to help out at night like okay and then he ended up taking rehabbing Junior making him state champion shotput go to Notre Dame Fulbright football playing whatever the junior always get back to the burn burn victims and burn burn community and now were talking with him about CTE and football and all that so it's really we kept the relationship going little puncture but when you when you have a moment like that were somebody just altruistic Lee brings her doorbell Chris Acree people out on the doorbell you now but but but 30 years ago some 30 years ago I don't yet I don't date myself so yeah so anyways that he pulled up his horse and buggy and but so that that I would be physical therapist and so I ended up doing all through college I worked in a burn unit and I just I did trauma victims and things like that and then I ended up doing mentorship with Woody Leonard Woods when you really admire somebody and he pulled me aside and said dude you need to be a doctor I think that this is I think there's there's more out there for you and then that's when you go from believing okay I'm here to the guy that I really admire says I can be here sure and ever since then it's just been a passion to just break down barriers and figure out ways and hopefully due to her altruistic way and hopefully do it in the safest way possible and so on so that's I got into clinical research so after much about school did my fellowship two years into working at D had to just of health Associates Sgt. clinical research and I one of the first projects that I did was on a drug called by fax and Dr. Mark Pimentel if anybody's ever had any experience with bacterial overgrowth called SEBO well he's kind of godfather that he definitely is located on California and so when I saw the work that wouldn't do that now is one of the leading enrolling sites in the country for their first trial that ended up getting published in the New England Journal of Medicine so they spend like $30 million to put the study out there they go to him to be a speaker form I'm watching all this this is fantastic it's a novel treatment it's safe it's everything that I'm all about its new science that makes notes older at the 11th hour the FDA pulls the rug out from under him and says you know what we want more data they'd already hired salesforce they had already had people that had moved their families out of money and time so much money in time so there is the whole machine is so much bigger than people realize there's a lot of people in the farm industry that are put their whole life on the line. So it's not like this is good or bad it's that these are just different industries and you we may have a few things broken I think that possibly we allow devices to come to market maybe two quick look at a show called the bleeding man she had a bleeding edge on Netflix that'll kinda get into that and on the flipside I think that we have products the FDA is just there to show if it's safe so the 11th hour the rug was pulled and then they had to do a hold of the trial that took about four more years will in that that. That's when I was looking at it and am still in contact with all the scientists around the country and I'm like wow there is a big hole being Mr. we could probably solve the problem using mother nature okay and that was the first time that ever thought about anything like this in the actual story behind this event to return any of my other podcast my real story is I'm talking to Dr. Pimentel he is explaining that will never be able to help the bloated person with constipation is there producing methane gas by fax and doesn't affect the type of bacteria the produce is that at that time I research manager Brandi comes in my office is like why did you write method on the board such scruff the phone as crazy as it turns out it's about methane which is very time appropriate because that Congresswoman oh I forgot her name so we will have to remind about that that that young woman was talking about the greenhouse effect and how we have to get rid of cows Co. Locascio yes I just read that on-site home and we been talking methane and cattle for a long time lesson Brandy goes hey when I was a policy letter for Sen. in Iowa they were trying to mandate that farmers put certain food products in the cattle feed to prevent the methane production in the stomach I think she had inadvertently on her website to her big thing was that she said how parts were causing everything sure is really Cal burps because I just ruined it right and so that's what's happening and that was the aha moment I just went holy how it literally literally holy cow yet a bloated cow came through with all this and that's when I said can get some of that data all that animal data somebody did on leg workforce it's out there just nobody's taking the time to do it because everybody is focusing on rocks that's how we ended up developing outrun to and I believe it's tip of the iceberg I believe that we can do this with other things one of the things we have in my back pocket I have a I have a good friend that is an incredible researcher she will find any article ever any time and so somebody has any questions about hey does this work but no let's see what happens a lot of times the problem with doing natural research is that you even know what you're actually looking at right what I mean by that is there is a study the cannot 2015 where they looked at products at GNC Walgreens the major the major players and they show that almost 79% of those products did not actually show what was in the capsule what was on the label through DNA analysis right so it's 80% of the stuff that you taking might not be anything I not be anything I don't think that the people that are marketing those those that products really care they only care they got caught well it could be that it could be that they don't know that they may not know they may not know you have the best of intentions that a leader you will certainly without her until we hire our own third-party testing rack check the top middle and bottom of every single batch of natural ingredients original does that also absolutely that's why the KPMG health remember upfront till go to love might help me.com/spoony SPOONY show some love with that because that's just going to only keep growing and so when we start talking about natural research the first thing we have to do is are you looking at the ingredients are on the label lemming that is a recent study just came out pretty basic and melatonin melatonin does amazing things for you there's lots of evidence that it actually work on your end of cannabinoid system we can help with your acid reflux it helps you sleep and a recent study to show that when they analyzed melatonin it could be anywhere between .5% to 400% of what's actually in late right so when we start talking data if I come to you and I'm like you know Eric I would like you to start using reserve patrols and antiaging product to show me the data and the data is inconclusive it's all over the map that's looking the people that did the studies may not even realize they didn't spend money to do third-party because it costs so much money how they recoup now you're right on and I also think that in the natural space number one I think what you're alluding to is or may not be enough money in there to publicize the results another thing is when people are doing natural research there researching without prejudice they are doing it to find necessarily just some print a pre-determined endpoint they are just trying to say this is going to work and were going to make sure the numbers were there just doing research reporting research and sometimes it just lays uncovered because it's not heavily funded build on the search for just as you describe and it lays dormant until someone begins to put the pieces together so, describe how that had applied to you and in terms of what you wanted to do to build a bridge between natural in medical science from understanding what natural could actually do to give real results so in my practice and seeing things in my own self like I said I'm but I consider myself as the bio hacker to a fault I will do all go on like one of mycelial were my favorite pupils Ben Greenfield it's funny because he'll do anything to himself I called it when I want to show whatever we we talk research we always talk about the and of something meaning the number of patients to have an outcome and so it's the end of one the end of two whatever I called it the bent of one anything to them so I'm kind like that so I'll call I'll do a podcast the patient will tell me something like I'm on it yeah let's do this and see if it works and I evensong myself I would order different brands of the same thing and I could see different results so you know that there's different things going on so the first thing is I want to make sure that anything I recommended to the patient was third-party tested trip so they know exactly what they're getting so if I say you're going to have better sleep because this melatonin to work I know that are trying to is NSF certified so you can as Olympic athlete you can take that right are certain certifications for that that actually led to my own digestive group she had actually were about ready to launch our subscription box where health arrives to your home were to do that vetting for you which is so cool that they're cutting edge enough to do something like that so basically it's a large G.I. group that knows that their patients take supplements and they want to make certain that if they know their patients are taking supplements which are over-the-counter and they have the opportunity to take various supplements and all different kinds of brands this is a G.I. group it's taking a step forward and say okay we know you're doing this let's help give you some guidance is that, you're describing that's exactly it and this is all going on right now as we speak so amazing it's so cool this was actually present we have a unique opportunity I'm with Simon several healthcare entrepreneurial groups I think I've seen you at the meeting of Bender wanted to do so word several groups and because that were exposed to some very exciting people both in the science side and the business side trip and one of the people he came in contact with he said looked if you guys are so concerned about the health and your community take some ownership of it step up front and say I want to at least vet these things for you and in my opinion if you cover the three primary pillars of health which is gut health all health begins and ends in the gut forgot isn't healthy nothing else will be brain health what's the point of all of this when dementia and Alzheimer's is exponentially increasing must protect that and then forget about the other side of the epidemic of autism right onto the roof left brain health also share an anxiety and depression and all the other things and then ultimately sleep if I can get if I can fix it got protect the brain and get people to sleep there can have all the things they want in their life which is weight loss more endurance better mental clarity all of the above energy happiness and it comes with those three pillars no doubt yes I'm super excited that my company D had decided to do this I want to double down on this right now and say that I truly believe it will be the first large group to do natural research and just show unbiased research that knowing full well that is not to be a whole lot of financial recourse in it but were doing it because we care you want to change the landscape of the health and in our community and hopefully expand beyond our community through stations like spoony radio sure so eight nowadays you you definitely see kind of this this weird split Emerging where if you were to go back to the 80s it was if you're sick go see a doctor and you and your physician so if you're sick go see Dr. if he and you feel this way and you don't feel well go see a doctor and then ultimately that time of course all physicians for the most part want to do their best by their patients but they can they can only do it from the research and the information education they received in school why do you think that we had to shift over to natural medicine number one number two what is it that kept people from embracing some of the natural medicine and then maybe even what are some of the limitations in leaving the medical world behind and ignoring still the good parts that could be in the medical side all just for for natural because you say you want to build this bridge what is it about the good sides of both bringing them together to help people find relief that you found that this is a reason you help people build this bridge so when we look at the pharmaceutical industry will people don't realize is that the way that pharmaceutical companies can communicate with doctors has actually changed over the years and I've done that probably for the good of the whole industry trip in my in my opinion I mean when I was in medical school it was pretty wide open I will get to a look at there's a whole lot of of pharmaceutical reps would have to spend the money hey wait a minute that reminds me of a story and never do the job but yet you good drug rep at one time it's not important important thing is is that you learn lessons and you move on so my marinara care was actually he's been in multiple industries I want you to tell the story because I think it's a really cool and I think it shows where you are at the whole time sure about the hamburgers yeah so we we often were given entertainment budgets and I know that you were the beneficiary of some those entertainment budgets both as a medical student and of course as a physician because how else are you going to get someone's time to tell your message you are a a drug rep and you feel altruistic and yet this is not out there I'm not judging any shirt field or anything it's everything the business over things and industry everything what is it's really hard it be really hard to to see me and get any attention if you're not gonna bring in some food my staff is just the nature of it unfortunately when you and you have to get access because you that the physician is there to serve the patients and so how is she going and access but you have to basically enticing and make it okay for the staff to come and pay some attention to your message along with the physician so we were given a very very large budget and at the time I had mostly a rural area that serviced and I just I couldn't possibly spend all of the money that they kept allocating for for us to spend and and in yellow everything is measurable my numbers by quarter were fine and so I just got to a point where I realize I had all this entertainment money and I didn't really see the reason to just keep buying snacks and things that people wouldn't necessarily need or enjoy the office so I started going and buying just bulk numbers of hamburgers and going to Port Said the town both in Ardmore and Wichita Falls pulling up in my little company issued Jeep liberty opening up the back and and handing out hamburgers and the weird thing that happened there was one day I advised I think 47 hamburgers from the two frogs Grill in Ardmore Oklahoma and I drove to the east side Oklahoma there's a great guy up there in the town's name is Dr. for and I'd Artie been by's office earlier that day but he saw me and he saw me with a bunch of Styrofoam boxes handing it out to people in Ardmore and he stop me

Psalms it will be doing Antonella handing out hamburgers that is what one over somebody who is more altruistic he liked the fact that I was taking the money and he knew that most physicians know it's a simple entertainment budget and you're doing it to gain the attention of somebody are hoping will recommend your product produce sales but when I was really doing was I just saw surplus and I thought there's no way could benefit from this better than somebody just truly hungry today so I bought a bunch hamburgers and handed them out and it turned out that through just dumb luck in turning to be a great sales pitch for me doing the right thing eventually pays on a daily basis and has one thing yeah and you know we took we talked about this that everything is still an industry it's still businesslike I said these people get their products out there and they have to get in front of doctors and when we launched our trunk heel I try to get production right away complain that sandbox right way too expensive so you we learned our lesson that Lorena let them do that but PeopleSoft make money for instance Platelets that sandbox were plain on spoony radio so go to love my tummy.com/spoony put in the code spooning SP 00 NY of an supports companies like upfront to heal so that you know we eventually can start doing some of this natural research when you are asking earlier about why you think there's this shift what you think Chris Kress are in the compressor Institute and the Cleveland clinic in Mark Hyman and all these people and Dave Asby are gaining so much traction talking about this kind of stuff and I think it's because a great example when I was a resident I was working a geriatric clinic and people would come in and every time they go see a doctor so if they're sitting there and they have no five or six doctors every doctor just given a drug they go so is it geriatricians are spent three years working in geriatric clinic I would look at their meds and go don't take that don't take that hill… When you're 95 years old and are on so many pills so many pills so I think that people get very frustrated that they go to the doctor the Department of medicine and they're not getting the results of because of the Internet and the information that is available like shows like this like shows like Brody talked about Chris Presser showing thing Bob.Rob good people are becoming important chair so it's no longer on just go do it what my doctor says that's why there is this movement dysfunctional health slide so excited about this member box that were good it would be you brought some accounting interesting earlier neat and he said that that the FDA's purpose there with that drug research is to make certain that the drugs most of our foremost aren't harmful but then there's an element where they had to show a little bit of efficacy what was the funny realization that you found it happens in the pharmaceutical or medical side for a drug to get approved for to be recognized is making a difference over placebo versus what you are able to do with a natural product before you even branded it and you realize I has something that's different it's already safe but it's actually making a difference so in my space in the gastrointestinal space when you have a disease called like irritable bowel syndrome with the bloating and change in bowel habits a lot of the drugs that are available even drugs that I like to get pulled off the market share after they found them to be unsafe like Zelnorm everything is around 9 to 10% better than placebo and the really expensive and so when we started figuring out natural ways to fix people were having better results mean the reality is we can get 4 to 5 people feeling better if you have the right symptoms in its natural cheaper it's affordable so whenever I think of anything is it available is it affordable is it affected those are the three things will be FDA's main goal is are you going to cause harm right that's what they're really being paid for are you going to cause harm not so much Arrigo determined that this is a very effective product Ricoh make sure you can hurt people and that's under drugs come around I was looking at the an article written get into that in the next hour because I think one of the things we can really talk about a lot is CBD cannabidiol the inner cannabinoid system and get into that and talk about how that inner plays with certain diets but as it turns out the pharmaceutical industry is really trying to get involved with that industry shredder figure out how to manipulate different enzymes one of the problems that we see all the time is that mother nature will do something and then the farm industry will need to have a patent and so they have to extract and manufacture a molecule and then put a drug name to it and say this is going to do this and we've seen that time and time again without question when pharmaceutical companies what I'm learning in the functional spaces mother nature since the do little bit better with right diet you take a whole client you take the whole molecule and not try and mess it up your body will figure out what to do with it work better than work but a great example a great example is that the Mediterranean diet for instance sure is filled with molecules called polyphenols follow polyphenols make vegetables colorful that make fruits colorful when you eat these polyphenols are poorly absorbed but they go to your colon where your own micro biome if you have a healthy micro biome will break down these molecules into beneficial anti-inflammatory antiaging molecules called Euro Lutherans and different things like that were learning more and more about that you cannot reproduce that with the drug right now because it's so complex were working with scientists down in South America and I there are several PhD's of come up and we go out to dinner and talk there like it is these micro biome or doing things that we can never reproduce in the lab is very deep it's really deep really deeply so and you know when you when you talk about pharmaceutical industry does tomatoes isolate that that's that's again they been doing for quite some time you hit on the fact that I had some experience in that pharmaceutical side I can still remember when they when they launched Roseann and Roseann is melatonin but it's an isolated melatonin and they told us it would have 14 times the affinity to the MT 192 receptors to induce sleep and even though they thought that little isolate was the trigger and actually underperformed it didn't do it any better then home melatonin did that's why I don't find it anymore and I believe that's why think that we can start seeing this whole shift back if we can just find a company that can bring some validity to it so that people can walk into a doctor's office and go look this study did show this it's unbiased this is what came out this is what happened we need to start doing that and if you're costing more money because with the prove that it's third-party analyze we need to make sure that we team up with companies like examine.com or consumer labs.com and make sure that everything comes to the things that are certified NSF certified and so on so yeah I don't really get a little deep here on under that aspect of that's I'm so passionate about functional medicine because there is real hope people go to their doctor and they get told no try this antidepressant try this anxiolytic take this you'll be fine take this pain medicine when young this year were making our first appearance I believe it to the IBM conference will be in San Antonio of the functional medicine conference yeah that place is filled with physicians and it grows by number every year that are just in the same position that you are and we meet more and more than every year medical met MDs DO those who have been trained in med school how to deal with disease and situations and more more they find it doesn't just exist in the pharmaceutical answers there are things beyond that their natural diet sleep whatever related that are going to help my patients feel better and then look at the opioid crisis that were doing with did you see in the news today that a police officer did a stop the woman handed him something and it appeared to be some sort of affordable fentanyl now and needing dark in the cop on a traffic stop oh because of that TOD by touching it by touching that's ridiculous I know it's crazy and I hate to interrupt the ship Patrick but did you know that dads up the fish that are coming out of the Puget Sound are contaminated with opioids I guess it's not filtered out during water treatment process so it's it's crazy nuts it's fit no fish no floundering new finfish their head up if you want to double down you have yourself some puffer fish sushi yeah you go to the tocsin or the fat know it's going to get you you can catch all your fish with a narco net pay that's the end of 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amazing ballet school company said we can take this to market to make this great product that will help you it's called grid you zone our IDU zone.com are IDUs zone.com Brad's work does work for Brad's work for me countless other people go to read you zone.com and try today you're going to love it read you zone.com remember that our IDU zone.com all rights back for our number two they have not kicked us off the gut check project try design will receive the over under I'm seeing these guys exchange money over here I buy yeah I got a 14 seconds hey I just heard an ad for rigid zones like we did the last half hour and the person doing that live raid was the late Doc Thompson want to give a big shout out to him and do all of the crew here at spoony Patrick Ron Tom thank you so much for having us this is when I was in the books is been a lot of fun so far is a lot of fun and this is this is one of the essays will reset in the last hour the rising tide lifts all ships I really want to see these guys succeed there the really busted the tail to get out there something more important in a state if the people I see what you look like you know I met the frog is very handsome but I think that appreciating the TV as well you can get a Facebook and go to this many radio paging that I turn to page and it streaming live there and I going watch the video like it – it's pretty fun not to mention Nicholas on speaker and also in iHeartRadio dealership Patrick I think is good there we were just talking between the sets about how to get more views and you imagine more nudity and Shepherd has the air America was a male model so was the nudity our CEO texted me and said thanks the Shanna Fisher mention my last name so shout out check Scott because when I think of validity I think I just got there we go yeah that's yet he shows A lot in all seriousness we do want to get back a little bit on-topic in terms of what were trying to do here for our first ever got check project and that is basically laid on the format what we can expect whenever you tune in each week to get a project because this this banter course you you may see both as you will almost always see Dr. Brown it is not going to be the cornerstone we will have some great guests on we will be talking about a bunch of the great topics from everything from research with stem cells to how to exercise to the cannabis industry to polyphenols to on and on and on various topics but today were going to basically let you put a strong idea in terms of who is Dr. Kenneth Brown and why is it that he's he's doing that so we left the last half hour talking little bit about bridging the gap between natural and medical science and is removed to the next half hour let's talk a little bit about what it means to examine some other serious systems that have been somewhat ignored in the body namely the ECS the Indo cannabinoid or cannabinoid system however you Mr. Burnett set tomato tomato so what do you want to say briefly you what we were talking and your super comfortable for Mike, I'm a little more nervous than the stuff I actually a background for me as a child I started growing up so being TV and radio and stuff so stressful but is really cool that your talk about what your dad taught you because your dad was in radio was yeah and unfortunately he died two years you yesterday to have your so shut out to him as payment cycle kept him everybody but he knew my dad loved and he was those who knew him quite well and we give a yeah good little moniker that he always said which is hey guys so for those who they knew him they they know that he did it take you to the radio station your tips well reluctantly asked that I like to put my hands on the turntables and I think that he was that each identity that too much but yeah he went to the radio station several times my dad my dad was in the meat rendering process so he would take me and I could play with the kidneys of cows why am I doing this he lead you to where you were when I was holding organs introducing you to the endocrine system of the renal cyst of an animal that's what you're playing with that the when I when I was a medical school it universe Nebraska they really want an oppressed family practice doctors to go to rural communities trip and so I spent three months at a rural community where the main industry was meatpacking and injuries what happened in these doctors were overworked and I'm 1/3 year med student and stuff that would come in I look back on that I just go hold the child that's a rough one it was rough yeah I am I remember were to get back to the CSO is a cool stuff but perhaps get to know us that share where I come from now Alecto not meet there were some of me to talk about meatpacking and Ike I speak Spanish in the very first hour mention my wife's Puerto Rican my mother's Argentinian we speak were bilingual home and I was working the emergency room Lexington Nebraska a woman came in pregnant water broke and I called the doctrine: is like I want to weigh in is a true visit and he said the name is like a loose liquor a schedule talk you through is like I'll be there doorbell major she's got this down if it happens before and she did she talk me through wash your hands and just like your mask is on backward camera.your names can let you cry but she didn't have an accident but that's is the one I defaulted so we did and that's what you're saying so props your dad prompted our Thompson proxy had add props to everyone that has taught us anything sure because it's got check radio or get your project is a project and we check our egos at the door and we just learn from everybody we did that's our goal so the ECS so we've we've heard of the digestive system we heard about the nervous system the skeletal system renal lung pulmonary whatever you want to call it why is the ECS new or is it new to us this is one of those things where you walk up and props to Christine Thiel of Alexa and all and Gabriel CEO Prolixin all for grabbing me and making me listen and not by me lunch and not taking me on a trip like you know we've I've had done with farm industries sure just call me out general information you need to know this and they threat a bunch of information like vomiting it was overwhelming and now I know why it is because we have discovered a system in our bodies called the Endo cannabinoid system the throughout your entire body but the reality is if you would think it and really simplify it links the immune system to the nervous system and right there two circles coming together that's where the ECS lives so although it does all kinds of crazy things if you have anything on your brain meaning anxiety all the way from anxiety to seizures it just sort of controls it and calls it down it's a traffic cop if you have anything in nerves like diabetic neuropathy or if you've got sciatic pain pain pain inwardly writing about this on KPMG health.com sure lots because I'm so blown away that I feel like I've been gifted the ability to learn about a system that now my colleagues know about our elaborate on that just a little better because you said were going to be writing about it but I do want to draw a good distinction here and not that other people don't put in the time for research because there's a lot of people after the do it but I will say that if if Dr. Brown it can end up putting any element into a level research to have something written it's because it's actually happened everything that you've done as long as I've known you is well I've read this about it let's find out if that's true and so that's really what KB MD health is all about is basically to spread the information good or bad about how something does may or may not work and so is is that something that you found somewhat inspiring to be able to dig in deep whenever you first started working with the CBD you if our member correctly like arms can see this works and find out what happens yeah so the first so what ended up happening is three years ago was appellee or fax which is conference I like in Austin and I was walked by the elixir tollbooth I got grabbed and I was being support information didn't know anything about it and I love the passion sure someone one thing that I will will always be drawn to his passion and so if you're passionate about anything those things I don't know about and working to bring those experts here yeah order bring essential oil exports and because I know about it and I want to learn and it says Snyder right is a essential oil exports just published a book on that were to bring probably her into talk about it because we want to sit there and make sure they were not leaving any stone unturned but there's only so much time in the day were working with multiple companies blah blah blah blah I have chosen to die on the hill of polyphenols trying to IBS IDD inflammatory bowel disease or payrolls also have colitis and autism those are my stakes in the ground because I feel like those are the ones that we can make a huge difference and quickly and there's natural ways to help all of those disease states so you you not the only physician to have success in helping someone utilize their ECS reactivating their ECS to help them through some of those diseases like inflammatory bowel disease but you're one of the very very few that I have seen who is been able to basically reach out with this patient population say would you like to try something a little bit more so I've seen the success stories I've seen them as they come through through in their own words describe a little bit about what it is that you been able to see as as a market success dynamic people take regimented dad biologic switcher are good drugs for people who are suffering but they have a regimen they normally take them added an interval what happened with some of those they began to use the polyphenols and activation of the CS so the patient population that I really really want to help that needs the help is the inflammatory bowel disease and anybody that has Crohn's and colitis understand that it's a completely disrupt your life the thing that people realize when you got issues you can't not use your gut Eric if you have a swollen ankle give doubt on your toe you'll just kind of bedridden for little bit you'll tough it out but your life whatever if you're stuck in traffic and you have ulcerative colitis and the people that have that they get structure this studio the one drawback to the old spoony studio here and I'm looking at chef Patrick as I want him to move the studios that happens to be I'm not I'm not much of a commuter in the poor pilot therefore if you meet the Mike okay well it's it's not so much that it's just that III literally think like that because that's what my patients tell me like I have to drive from X to Y it's an hour commute I have ulcerative colitis and Crohn's once I get in my own head literally going to prove myself right and then I have to get off turn around call my boss when I hear that I just code that is that is not good that is disastrous that will disrupt anybody's life if your belly hurts to get tougher through that's one thing but when it when your bowel is in control of you we gotta figure something out so one of the processes that actually does that is also the proctitis for instance it's also proctitis is when your body attacks your own: and it creates issues where it gets irritated and then you don't have a lot of control well recently I've been we been working with a we just did I just love the fact that we have all these great partners Brandon Allen of Alan pharmacy and detonate direct air company finds that supercool guy was like listen man can you make me these can you take this CBD oil I'm having so much success with make some suppositories let's try out wannabe publishing is that it's incredible it's it's good it's great wherever having success attention you bring him up because in a metropolitan area of over 7 million people in the DFW area he is one of two I believe one of two of all the pharmacist that is recognized as a functional medicine pharmacist he actually is trained in the realm of looking beyond what his own industry is built around moving pharmaceuticals which I think is amazing he is he is not he's on the other hand he's he has the referrals from the physicians and he's paring what he believes to be the correct prescription but augmenting that prescription with the right OTCs or supplements I can help his customers feel better so that that comes up to the hope thing sure so we had mentioned earlier our one row or two I literally and I feel horrible about this I will get stacks patient data from somebody that says I heard you on this podcast this is my these are my medical records can you make a recommendation just like holy cow I can make so many recommendations right this is your part of the system that kinda got a little bit to get labeled right and I think the problem is you get labeled so Brandon or Brendan Allen or any other functional pharmacist or any other functional chiropractor functional MD anybody but I at least liked about the functional aspect is that you take a step back your immaculate believe anything else is been said let me just listen that's how most of it starts just listen what's going on I've learned and what I love is I just had a patient in and he was teaching me because his daughter went through something and he was explaining this and that I was like I am I am unfamiliar with this disease teach me and it was fascinating basing made appointment and I'm better and better for Brian and this is the whole concept of let's all learn from each other attract welding on and and applying that so it said teaching that you say that at the aspect of functional and in using LTC's or supplements to to find out where they fit in with our 20 oh dear your own first baby we we've found through Brandy we had lots of feedback of people who've had stories not like what I thought that we would find out we have to like it we would have great success helping people find bloating relief but some of the stories that have come in our how bad they been impacted by their gut distress very similar to what you described with the other ulcerative colitis patient whose driving in traffic yes you know I'm sorry to interrupt but it's a fascinating to me because when I treat the but I treat the people you know the the appropriate person takes our products we really do change locks crazy it's crazy and so what I'm seeing there then of course what note there is the business side of it where we have to make sure that we got when we got 20 some employees now were doing all the stuff like that you know we still have to note to make the money to pay all that but I show up every day and I just have people shake my hand to thank you and I love that that's that's the sole reason why this thing even exists the sinkhole doctrine until no matter what were doing right and whether it's got CD or the KVM DCB the oil it it all comes back to one thing we knocked down the wall Brian and I hope other people discover other polyphenol combinations I hope the ridges own realizes that there beyond weight loss they can crush it with doing other things because it functions on the Indo cannabinoid receptors in J your purring knows that he's like I know he's a smart dude and Dr. J. Partner Martin D hat and it's just so exciting but it's one of those things were of course we always talk about like this death by a thousand cuts sure you don't make the main thing the main thing some of the great philosopher Logsdon yeah made that up MMA champion backlog. I don't know why Ricardo is not doing a black belt but that's a whole separate discussion so one of the things that I'm kind of interviews I've always been into jujitsu I got a got multiple friends Ricardo a Brill you demand to just give Mike is black but will you let's get this over with you happier person anyway not only not well so the discovery about 20 on its launch obviously goes back to trying to find better answers and then you've mentioned Christina licks in on the course gave and in Lake Harrison and Chris who song when we think about the influence they've had in terms of what lakes and all and then ultimately your high-grade CBD oil with a regimented application with your patients has turned into good benefits and that led all the way to you having your own label why did you decide this was something that you knew that you wanted to do what I have the physician recommended product to complement what you are doing or attempting to do with a all-natural polyphenol but it happened that had the fit together so will start back with the resulting Palio effects of a case wasn't cheap but it like retail price Give it away patients came back said I'm better what you better with it sounded I member you saying I don't believe what I'm hearing by literally till I called her out I said you know what I love your enthusiasm I love your passion will buy a case can just send it to my office and I literally just gave it the patient's right and it was $240 a bottle that she is not true we walked home that day that it's a know I had it right I think I signed up for over I drove you home so after that I realize okay this is this is exactly what this is all about our message our messages to do the right thing and do it for the right reasons so I realize that this is a biblical minister look at the science that went almost a full year of just research never even contacted them again and shockingly when you start diving deep there is a Han of research out there that nobody knows about it for so I got my little ace in the hole that will finally any any hidden article change amazing she's amazing and then the discovery that polyphenols actually augment your own endo- cannabinoid system by calling down the enzymes that break it down so this is where everybody starts going down rabbit holes all notices this you have that I'm talking to you have an Endo cannabinoid system ECS just like your digestive system and your body produces and designs that actually destroy your old molecules to help your and a cannabinoid system and it does this in times of stress what stop and think about this for second if you're not sleeping well if you're eating a bad diet the Western diet if you're chronically under stress if you're driving from Plano to Fort Worth it's not that far. I commute from Houston sometimes are lost forever have to be can take a helicopter to work that helicopters a 10-year-old Hyundai so if you were going through this living here then your body ramps up the enzyme that breaks down your own special molecules called Endo cannabinoids those Endo cannabinoids work like a traffic cop they sit on the opposite side of every other neurotransmitter being produced so it gets a little complex but if you think of it this way when you feel pleasure it's because dopamine jumps from point A to point B dopamine no good feel good that's also why addiction happens bills good gambling feels good to do some drugs will go to do alcohol feels good that's the feel-good serotonin is a happy one I'm serotonin hops over what the end of cannabinoid system does is it works like a traffic cop on the other side is like what way too much dopamine you are enjoying yourself too much ease of sidelining the chillout it's a traffic cop and it calls it down well what ends up happening is when you have a stressful lifestyle the enzymes rake that Malik date they tell the traffic cop to go home right and then you seek reasons to fill those gaps and that leads into a total spiral so that's how come the end of cannabinoid system is so important ever is making a really complex and it is super complex so to put in perspective I've been trying to soul licks at all so I have we have our own CBD elixir always been very gracious with us and they want me to do a whole webinar and do all the stuff that I've been trying to figure out how to do it and then I realize that actions by some brought up yesterday all traffic on I was like hey I have a I think is three levels to this I think that that is whoever you talk to got real talk in different levels white belt level purple belt black belt my son yesterday just goes to treat at the trunk explain it and then you can just keep going out as far as you want that's brilliant that's were to do so to Dave and company that's the 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good morning it was kind of the chemical here last few days of this is the gut check project coming from you for coming to you from Pforzheim Eric Rager I am joined by your permanent host Dr. Kim Brown and that we in our last half-hour of the very first ever episode of the gut check project items of our thoughts and what for my very first radio show we've we've cruised through an hour and 1/2 it was 15 minutes with there's a lot on our brains have we talked have even said and think will listen with you the click the recap so what we did over the last hour and half as we talked over the bow Dr. Brown he is a board-certified gastroenterologist is incredibly interested in bridging the gap and when that means essentially and tell me if I'm wrong is it you want to find the good things and the bad you can discover both in medical and natural science and help guide people to solutions that are going to work for them both to eliminate as many possible side effects as possible yet delivering relief and ultimately when people feel good they feel happy and that's ultimately what Rafter it's funny you say that because we we have this thing were insane bridging the gap every one of my partners want people to feel good Trinity and feel healthy every doctor that I collaborate with wants people to feel good and feel healthy there just probably two well the reality is the information stop presented to them not memorizing way right and that's what we need to do that's what I mean by bridging the gap need to present the information in a way because the all my partners in my office and my practice in my group the doctors that I collaborate with the surgeons I use that primary care doctors I work with every single one of them once the same thing for their patients they want their patients to get better so we are talking last hour about why you think that the functional medicine movement is growing and I think it's growing because of information purely information to be on the Internet to do this but the reality is I encourage you to talk to your doctor and say hey heard this incredible show and spoony radios the biggest thing that's ever happened to hear Joe Rogan's coming on soon but the but the reality is that a lot of patients I think are scared to talk and we always do is change the movement we can make everybody a functional doctor without question what a functional doctor really does is they just stop listen don't judge and say how do we change this through lifestyle by and that that is how to bridge the gap more more think about it I want to have the science ultimately I'm very happy doing research I really want to see hate does this work can we come up with X, Y, and Z in a natural way you tell me in in the past that one of the things that you felt like it was allowing people to basically perceive the natural movement growing is in it was the lack of of exposure it wasn't that people didn't want to hop on board it was a lack of exposure and if you look at the amount of and it is what is inside good bad or indifferent it's just money the pharmaceutical industry has money when you have money you use it to your advantage and you should because your business but from that perspective when you have the money you can find the studies and when you have things are like a drug that can be pending or in isolated things that can only be packaged and they aren't necessarily natural but now you have something that's proprietary and I can be protected and that's were that's why money back things like that and often times people don't turn to a natural solution may be because there's not enough money to show all the research it's actually gone into the natural side of things and things will get discovered because there is not a money train back there pushing that information is done without prejudice it's done without intent it's just it's just research but we are were shifting back to the natural answers so will so I give a couple examples are when we first launched are trying to went down to the American College of gastroenterology where I've given lectures at where I feel like I'm got friends and it's the largest gastroenterology conference booth people are coming up and we had some small studies small according to them because were talking to people from Harvard and Johns Hopkins and so on and they make a living by doing a study to make a living by getting grant money from his drug companies in Solon and only if you remember but there was the doctor that came up really cool don't know where he was from and he goes you know I love your idea if you had data on this I would be all the right and we were still raising money to do this company and I said you invest give me $250,000 I guaranteed that I'll have that data for you and that you will have a stake in the company will be able to do this is what now just do a like to see but I just Roger set Takes money my friend and I'm so confident that we can do that and I remember I went to dinner one night and actions company store digressed quickly so I did multiple other studies besides those I faction study one of them was the ideal of inflammatory bowel disease really want fix that problem Crohn's and colitis so there was a dinner at a nice steakhouse here in Dallas and then when I showed up right as I always do tend to show plates and working shut up little bit lately put me the waiter grabbing probing the very front of the room which I don't like being more of a factor in Canada and it was April 1 didn't put the tutor together chair and the guy speaking of the professor therewith that they had brought in from some other university was looking at me the whole time going do you understand and like yelling and I like what I biases singling me out this is nuts and I ordered the over whatever stage the usual stuff to get a steakhouse and they brought me dry fish dry salad in the water I ordered one like that you got my order wrong and as I start to get more upset will the guy was like is everything fine and I was okay this is nuts I did this study and the guy I know the guy was part of the study Frank Africa lost it by little irritable at this point because my service was bad like look man what you put up there is a is a grab for it showed patient satisfaction but what they allowed the patients to do was are you extremely better way better make a better daughter Laura everything is all good that you have others that yeah so you could get you to get moving on this regardless it is a it was a phase 4 study which is more of a mark the start date so I get it's a total stacked deck hotel lost it I said that I was like report of the study price of the study and know exactly what the questionnaire was fine I thought it was hilarious from the very beginning of the phase for now I live in a glass house I did except the check to do that studies show I get it but that just tells me where it's going what's really funny is after that I kind of lost it and I got up and walked out like a man out of stake glass wine salad what's going on like oh we were informed that you are recovering alcoholic your kosher gluten-free dairy sensitive and just made off about 10 of the things know it who who who said that rightly pointed in my staff was in the restaurant that got there earlier was April 1 April Fools' Day I was the fool I will play well but the poor professor the visiting professors like wow if he went 00 and the sellers death is all hard of hearing the funny guy kept yelling at me she really enunciating his words what I contact so the deaf celiac dairy and tolerant as a jerk he is really anger is like surveys but the point that you will present data right there's two sides the story and that's all I want to do is I want to present the data unnatural stone we've got were part of several or of couple entrepreneur health groups and I think that some people have some rate anecdotal data on certain things at work right I would love to sit there and say yes absolutely let's see if this works let's a challenge writing the natural space a lot of times people simply just want to say look I know that this is worked with X, Y, and Z patients I just simply don't have the funds to produce a reproducible study I don't have the funds to bring somebody through so that I can have a biostatistician prove that my concept my application it will actually work in another setting and I believe them when they tell me that and that's their limitation and it's exactly what you told that Dr. Hunter ACG it's I need 1/4 million dollars to prove this is do you have that yeah exactly and the beauty of the studies that we did without trying to is that there were unadulterated data right and so we did that we did the data first third-party bio stats and then we headed statistician look at it and and she's the one that said look at this is real skills it's your work even though it's not a 50,000 person study your P value meaning the likelihood of it happening by chance is so low that if you put 100 people in thousand 10,000 you get the same numbers right which is what a good statistician will do and shut off to her at UT Southwestern rightly this is no joke no joke and that this is all funded by me at the time because we had no company nothing so since then we've maintained the same numbers right which is exactly what she said bye so now I feel confident that let's look at some stuff attire the right person to do it let's set up the right study and you don't need what the FDA wants which is we need to prove it safety these with the beauty of the functional medicine world that these products have already been taken by millions and millions and millions of people oh great story back today just launched out of England omega-3 has been shown in a study to help with musculoskeletal injury interesting so came out and it talked about the inflammatory process right how does that happen they did have a mechanism of action omega-3 fatty acid right what would a fatty acid body of fatty acid gets converted to an end of mind and to AG what does that happen to affect Dr. Brown that is used to build your own Endo cannabinoids have you ever looked into the Indo cannabinoid system so when you start looking at scientists that our figure out how to augment that system omega-3's DHA fatty acids like that help your body to do this why are these molecules study will come out little say oh it looks like fish oil doesn't help with heart knowing the week later some of you guess it does help with heart disease right I can tell you to help your brain right I can show you a molecular level if you're taking the right one sure I can also tell you that I've had friends that have been in the industry and said that it is a scary industry will have it on top of this some of the studies and you had this discussion several weeks ago some of the studies that people have tried to prove or disprove in terms of what supplements may or may not work natural or otherwise might actually be tainted when the testing agency doesn't even know what they may been using might not actually been the active ingredient in terms of what they were using so having supplements if you are someone who uses supplements having a supplement that is certified to be exactly what is in their and have a authenticated certificate of authenticity or ACOA by 1/3 party to show that what is on the label is actually what is in the container is very very important you may find a study where someone says that omega-3 did X, Y, and Z or then another follow-up study says no it doesn't now were led to believe that there could be some problems with people thinking that they are testing a particular supple man OR an element and looking back on it they may not have had the correct active ingredient naked that could apply to any number of various supplements as well oh hundred percent and we don't know if the ghosting is right also things are still lots of question sure the fact that we have these things that are readily available in multiple companies producing and yet sciences probably not were related to be now it's wide open field wide open you give me you give me a little bit of scratch and working on working around down there or let's let the head if the hat and their member box 10 give proper supplements to people proper supplements meaning those that are vetted to help you protect your brain sleep protect your gut the more people come to us and say hey we have this right I have something called redo zone right can you tell me if this action helps with weight loss know it now why or why not what's cool about ridges on his and his I just avenged a fan of the company in the J what's cool about that is that they they did the studies right if you don't CEOs will be like yeah 67 years ago right but sit behind the eight ball this entire time that's how hard I know exactly what it's like when you have a company here I have investors I want to pay back my investors as quickly as possible what else want to do right build the company and would do that I know the licks all the reason why my name this brand KB MD is on Alexa laws because I did my homework on the company and Dave and company they've done everything on the up and up the get certificate of analysis they can show me everything there's a reason to do things the right way is a reason to do so is Taco Bell but I what it would what would that mean that with your experience in doing clinical trials and gathering clinical data that only we are trying to live in in in the various polyphenols that didn't make it in this in this box you did just run with something that somebody said work he actually tested to find out so what does that mean in terms of and just try to think of the landscape here not every state is well and and wide open with allowing CBD to be used in the same way that if you were to compare one state that allows medical and recreational marijuana to one that allows nothing and as if you were to compare Utah and in California currently right now politically they are completely different in the ways they observe that industry so as a medical doctor knowing you seen real results one the ambitions I've heard you talk about is being able to put clinical data behind something like a CBD as supplementation because as you call it is it truly is a micronutrient to give to people to help them find relief and basically apply to disease never in Canada like it's a treat disease but apply it to a disease or symptom and then even it happens to be combined with the polyphenol whether or not it happens to be your highest purity brand of KB the CBD or polyphenols don't necessarily have to come from 20 oh but we just want to put together the data that people can use to find out how they can find relief and feel better so what is that mean to you to be able to put critical data behind something like a BDC beauty so I want to do is I just want to clear up everything so this is not a disease state right well just educate and these are armed I'm looking at the list of articles that we have coming out shortly one of them that it would be really proud of it as a guest neurologist I don't do with a whole lot but I had I sorta had the hero's journey happened to me when I had a young man that was brought in to be by his mother because he had extreme or he was on the extreme side of the autism spectrum disorder. And she noted that whenever his belly would act up he would become at as he aged it was easier to handle it with little but now I'm an adult Dr. 1718 years old -1718-year-old young man who's hard to control and when we started to fix his gut everything started get better when we had CBD to next thing I know she likes best is been 10 years okay I cannot ignore this right this is a this is something that has to get out there I'm not an autism specialist working to bring autism specialists on but I do have people to integrate research and we've got a huge very high level of Reddit so this should be the same formula it would be used it would be these are simple but very high level but not something for the lay public this is something to sit with a couple PhD's in hand and mingled this is the mechanism of action of how polyphenols affected and how cannabidiol affects the receptors and onto the spectrum disorder not treating anything right you look at the data right you look at the mechanism of action and this is how I've always been with everybody I brought up essential oils last week I just have not had the time to look at that trip but if you can tell me if physiologic reason why that works so well beautiful right I'll at least look at it and that's how everything has to be approached in life not stick your head in the sand and ignore what's going on it's so interesting because medicine is an industry because it is an industry now but it began as a practice and that practice was to find innovation to find new ways to help people who are hurt and it's so strange that now if you get admitted to med school that you go and basically have a road education and you are fed the didactics right and then by the time you're out it's almost prohibited to think outside the box so innovation for many people becomes stymied stifled that you don't really keep exploring is a little bit of why you and other physicians who looked beyond the just the regular stuff you get noticed because you're willing to look outside and that's renovation really think that's where everything is if you look at the history of medicine there's always somebody that sees just outside the box and goes oh to get my history completely wrong or this is not my thing George Washington Lincoln Johns Hopkins Johns Hopkins Johns Hopkins and two other surgeons late 1800s prior to that surgery was born bear right if you had something wrong it was to get you drunk my gag but if you hold down or to cut your Lego and then it was discovered the lidocaine style molecule well there is a. And if you read this it's really fascinating where lidocaine and that cocaine are molecularly similar and then it was determined that cocaine can be used as an anesthetic and to decrease blood flow to certain areas and improve things so there's like a decade-long. Where every resident was completely coked up there just working 24 seven and Glidden realized that this was actually going on and that was the era of the first dance club I sent to stickers doing surgery over John Tapia's associate so so many things came about that so if you look at the if you look at the surgical waiting room glow sticks were developed pacifiers were developed it was it wasn't just okay anyway so being innovative like that then they develop bupivacaine developed all these other change or block nerves right what was through this process and then suddenly cocaine becomes this thing over here but really the cocoa lead has benefits right in the country Peru they know that to make tea out of the do things like that but it's at the history of medicine let's get back to the guy that figured out that ulcers could be caused by bacterial info back to yeah that's exactly the same paradigm shift that took place with the bacterial overgrowth you've got a guy that was convinced an Australian astrologist that was convinced that ulcers were not your hand was because he was stressed it was because you just strung out you know you got a bad marriage know you have a bacteria and he had to prove it by almost dying this is the time and time again like there are doctors that have this belief that have literally Louis Pasteur that have put everything on the line to do it I did a podcast last two I admired and I realize the people I really admire other ones that put their life on the line for their belief right okay who you are or what it is passion passion they were committed let's talk a bit about what to expect is what where were getting close to winding down on our very first full day show of the gut check project and is on later up because some passenger to the radio thing we got we have shown Patrick am sorry so you know I am entered about eight years ago 90 hail into the medical marijuana/CBD side of the business I and at so I been looking for a product that you know might my children have a condition called do you mind if I believe I can talk other products or if you read up on my shows well today so but can we talk about the difference I mean where does CBD come in on the second of It asked if TTT HVAC BD CBG CBN all of these components right and people get confused so why the big big big roadblocks I run into is all I can take out a high okay is that something that you had to address any because it really has nothing to do with it's not a we call it a.m. psychoactive psychoactive psychoactive I will I will change that I will say it's not intoxicating that's true because it's extremely psychoactive because it actually works on the receptors in the brain and that's really what it does well yeah and so Texas is notes it's not thought Colorado and California haven't they been doing this for a long time so I do deal with this a lot and this is why think of we science this up a little bit and we explain it but we have to do it the way that my son described dude is a trunk it's it's a traffic cop then you get into to AGN amide then you didn't see me wants to be to them to get into people or gamma you can GRP be one doing it really geeky without any deep geeky geeky and it's just like any other system in the body but you might have a right to put it in perspective I remember when I did my internal medicine training you have Harrison's internal medicine book it's this that the state it's it's a big thick book and one of my professors in medical school just kinda laughed when you ask a question that goes does it it's in Harrison's right is where it goes right after the chapter on how to fix your Harley I and you should let go this is also the same Prof. that when those he would let you this is old school medical school were they to be little more abusive and did away with the fraternity it was so you can just see this clinical professor would like load up different things so you do these didactic grounds we go around as a group and then it be like it oh no Mr. Brown what would you do for this patient and say something like is like you to fill this out and it would be an application to McDonald's in front of the patient that's your Socratic method there it is or or he would be would pull out of the oxygen things that clearly your hypoxic solvent while the rest of us discussed medicine well Harrison's was distant and had everything will then guess what I become a fellow and I'm only studying the gastrointestinal tract and I have an encyclopedia for books that fit right so it took me three years of internal medicine training three years of G.I. and I still consider myself a lumen all just meaning I like to: the not like the stomach I'm not I admittedly will defer the pancreas to my partners Goldschmidt in Sacramento before the liver to our other partners that are hepatology's chair and then the cannabinoid system the same way I want to become an Endo Canada knowledges the world needs it and that's not a joke the world needs a a a study of Indo cam analogy there would be associated with the medical didactic training yet so I agree I will be your number one student out of your listening every week Beth it's really listening every week because you're behind the window anyway class to check you over there and then you were to talk about the will of this we got two minutes left for two hours there's few things we'll talk about here number one are just coming up number one our get aside next week we will have a canvas expert from the new medical legal use of the marijuana in Oklahoma to talk about that industry and the research as well as what it's like to basically forge this new industry is a lot of people what I love about that is that he has Texans going up with no knowledge no knowledge at all sodium a and and it's not it's not about going up there to do to party it really is about going up there to educate and that's really where they're coming from and that's the come down and visit with us 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