Haeny and Nathan talk with John Potter and Kate Cowan about their work in the UK on children's play from historical archives through the present day, how the pandemic has affected children's play, and some of their own memories of childhood play.

Plus they play "Colleagues Quiz" and share "What's Poppin'."
Visit tc.edu/popandplay to learn more and the episode page for links to Kate and John's research, John's music and radio project, and more.

Our music is selections from “Leafeaters” by Podington Bear, Licensed under CC (BY-NC) 3.0.