Chaos surrounds us. Whether a bus is coming at you (literally) or life is hitting you hard, chaos is simply a part of our world. How do you make it work in your favor? How do you aim for the best possible outcome? Natalie is here to give her insights.

First, there’s her basic advice on dealing real-world chaotic situations. “If it’s [a situation] where personal safety is an issue, the first thing is ‘Can I get myself to a position of safety, where is the best is the best way to do that, and how do I get there?’”

Natalie also tends to plan her life out a bit chaotically, but it works for her style. For example, she started out just wanting to do a simple bike tour. But… that led to much,. much more. “I was like, well if I’m doing that, I might as well just do the whole Pan-American Highway, was, like, my logical train of thought. So I just turned a west-east trip to a north-south trip that was, like, I don’t know, six times as long. It was very logical.” In fact, she was still on this bike tour when recording this podcast.

As for the future, and how to make the most of it? Natalie has some great advice. “Be happy with who you are…and have goals. You can have a long stretch goal…but have shorter goals because then you can succeed sooner and little victories feel good, and then little victories add up to a big victory.”

Sometimes, it’s all about getting to that next mini-goal. “When I was biking up the Dalton Highway…I would literally choose a crack in the road two meters in front of me and be like, ‘I’m going to peddle to that.’ And then when once I made it to there, after like five minutes of peddling, you know, to go two meters, I’d be like ‘The next one!’…If I was looking at the top of the mountain, I wouldn’t have made it. ”

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