Are we all insecurely attached to our phones? This week Hannah and Mickenzie are joined by writer and Behavioral and Organizational Psychologist Bob Hutchins to explore this question. The three sat down for a fascinating conversation about technology, media trauma, attachment, and the impact the last couple of years have had on our collective and individual understanding of grief, loss, and connection.

But don’t worry, this isn’t another “throw away your phone” conversation; after years of working in media and studying psychology, Bob is actually hopeful that we can all use media to better connect with ourselves, others, and humanity.