Join in for a conversation with a return guest, Marc Champagne. Marc is the Co-Founder of Kyo and Host of Behind The Human Podcast. In episode 46 we talked about Marc’s journey of building Kyo after a career in pharmaceuticals. In today’s episode, we talk through the developments since the year. The process and reason behind shutting down Kyo, the digital journaling app that had 86 million impressions and a community of 200,000 users. We talk about the difference between app rankings and user metrics vs. the economic reality of operating it. We also talk about Marc’s journey of building communities and how the podcast led to so much more than a personal brand, his new pursuit of consulting human-centric companies on brand strategy and writing a book on mental fitness. Traditional media only touts the stories of exits for obscene financial numbers but in our conversation today we talk about the daily process of building something, the constant ups and downs and the many iterations we will make in our journey to build something that is meaningful and fulfilling.