In this episode, Steve interviews the Wiseman of the Trails. A mentor to me for many years, Joe is a coach & former race director by trade but he is really more like a Taoist sage of the dirt. We discuss the early years the Austin running scene & the parallels between running, coaching, positive energy flow & trail running.  We also cover Joe's years as a race director & the impact that he has had on the sport of ultra running. He is working on a book that should be available in 2020 that is a how-to manual on race directing.