{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Twenty One Clear Podcast","title":"Four Stages of Leadership - Part 2: Stage 4 and the Stages' Importance","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1940,"description":"Part two of Adam's conversation with Norm Smallwood, co-founder of The RBL Group, picking up where Episode 12 left off. Norm and Adam move into stage four, otherwise known as \"power\", of Norm's four-stage leadership model. They then work through what it costs a family business when people are operating below the stage their role requires, why self-diagnosis of your own stage almost never works, and what it looks like to build a great career and a great company without ever needing to become stage four yourself.\n21C linksWebsite: https://www.21clear.com?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notesAdam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhatcher?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notesNewsletter: https://21clear.substack.com/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notesThe RBL Group (Norm Smallwood): https://www.rbl.net/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notesEpisode 12, Part 1: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-one-clear-podcast/id1811403547Ask Adam for Norm's Four Stages assessment. Email: adam.hatcher@21clear.comBumper music: \"Still Hot\" by Nic D, Connor Price © Lossless, 2023\nEpisode produced by: https://snapmarket.co\nChapters\n[00:00] Welcome and Recap\n[03:09] Naming Stage Four\n[06:23] When Stage Fours Collide\n[08:53] You Can't See Your Own Stage\n[13:12] The Real Cost Isn't Bob's\n[16:15] Succeeding at Every Stage but One\n[17:32] What Makes a \"Sue\"\n[20:45] What Buyers Are Actually Buying\n[23:28] Quality of Leadership as a Line Item\n[25:22] Willie G. Davidson and \"Sounded Like a Harley\"\n[26:00] Julian Van Winkle and Making It \"Taste Like Pappy\"\n[28:35] You Don't Have to Be Stage Four to Win\n[29:45] Where to find Norm's four-stages...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/HHbgVTqZixCkeX_Jh_q6Tgs1YQ7Uktx46HSFvtTgt5I/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9jMTYx/NDBkOWY1MzlkOWNl/MWE3YzVjMDY5MmE1/NWEwYS5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}