{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Just Breathe","title":"Command Presence is Nervous System Skill Chief Jack & Dr Ellen ","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1765,"description":"Welcome to Just Breathe with Dr. Tracie L. Keesee — a leadership podcast built for first responders and public safety professionals who make high-stakes decisions under pressure, and carry the weight of those decisions long after the radio goes quiet.\nWe're starting where it all begins — with the nervous system. When stress is chronic and recovery never comes, something shifts. Judgment narrows. Emotional regulation erodes. And the leaders we need most begin to disappear — into their offices, into their rank, or into patterns they inherited from generations before them.\nFor this episode, Dr. Tracie L. Keesee sits down with clinical psychologist Dr. Ellen Kirschman — who has spent over four decades working directly with first responders across every career stage — and Chief Jack Cawley of Castle Rock, Colorado — a veteran police chief who has navigated the realities of command under pressure while building a department culture rooted in emotional intelligence and people-centered leadership.\nWHAT WE COVER\nWhy command presence is a nervous system skill — not a rank or a title\nWhat chronic stress without recovery actually does to a leader's decision-making and emotional regulation\nHow dysregulation shows up operationally — in discipline, culture, and the people you're supposed to be leading\nWhy capable leaders lose the ability to self-regulate — and what happens when they can't\nHow to hold people accountable with compassion instead of fear, threat, or rank\nThe generational leadership cycle in policing — and what it takes to break it\nWhy the academy and field training programs are where culture and self-image are first formed\nThe honest truth about why self-regulation still isn't treated with the same urgency as firearms and defensive tactics\nABOUT DR. ELLEN KIRSCHMAN\nDr. Ellen Kirschman is a clinical psychologist who has spent over four decades working directly with first responders, helping them understand how cumulative stress, trauma, and survival wiring shape...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/U6hooJF6wPF6fib2UIxiCJPT3haZgYLNN9HJnTMTqd4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9jZGVm/NmM3ZTQ5OTFjZjk3/NDZmZWNkYmVjN2Fj/OGFmMi5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}