{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast","title":"Why Non-Alcoholic Brands Must Not Be Stupid: Steven Grasse on Building Pathfinder | 127","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1588,"description":"This episode is a working session on how to build a non-alcoholic brand that does not announce its own absence. Steven Grasse, the brand-builder behind Hendrick’s, Sailor Jerry, and Quaker City Mercantile, breaks down Pathfinder: a hemp-and-root-distilled, amaro-style non-alcoholic spirit that entered every Total Wine and Whole Foods without a trial.The conversation covers why non-alcoholic brands must not be “stupid,” the comparison trap of positioning as a replacement, brand mysticism as a method that transcends category, the four pillars of brand creation, launching on-premise first, designing a liquid versatile enough to be a “bartender’s ketchup,” the discipline of owning a home turf before the hot cities, and the regulatory freedom that lets a non-alcoholic brand be weirder than any spirit.It is a masterclass in building a great brand that just happens to not have alcohol.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction to the Pathfinder00:49 The Origin Story of Pathfinder02:14 Crafting the Unique Flavor Profile04:38 Marketing Strategy and Brand Positioning11:26 Launching Pathfinder in Seattle15:43 The Mystical and Historical Elements18:40 Pathfinder’s Market Success and Future25:11 Final Thoughts and Conclusion","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/EEVeqPnCSO50vcTEwCGi8EsKVAfckKW1Ma9V9k_f5cM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mNjQy/ZWFiZWJiOTRmMTBm/YmUxYWFmNTA2MjI4/M2ViNC5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}