{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Church is Messy","title":"Church Is Messy: The End? - Heaven Is Not Enough","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2019,"description":"What if heaven is not somewhere we escape to, but the place where God finally makes all things new?\n\nIn the final conversation of The End? series, Rick and Svea unpack the biblical picture of heaven as a renewed creation—heaven coming to earth when Jesus returns. They talk about what happens when a follower of Jesus dies, why Scripture points toward resurrection and restoration rather than an eternal disembodied existence, and how that changes the way we imagine eternity.\n\nThey also explore why so many Christians have inherited a picture of heaven that feels disconnected from the physical world, and why a more complete biblical vision gives greater meaning to the ordinary things we do now. Relationships, work, creativity, beauty, justice, care for creation, and service all matter because God cares about His creation and intends to restore it.\n\nRick and Svea close by asking what this hope means for life today. We can grieve honestly without grieving hopelessly. We can trust that the work we do matters. And we can take eternity seriously—not by trying to predict when Jesus will return, but by trusting Him, following Him, and living now as citizens of the kingdom He promises to fully restore.\n\nTopics discussed in this episode:\n00:00 Intro\n02:36 What happens when we die before Jesus returns — different views on the intermediate state (\"soul sleep\" vs. being with Christ immediately)\n05:25 Heaven isn't clouds and harps — debunking childhood misconceptions about eternity as endless choir practice\n07:01 The earth will be renewed, not discarded — the biblical case that heaven comes here, restoring the best of creation\n11:05 Four views of eschatology — Rick recaps historic premillennialism, amillennialism, postmillennialism, and dispensationalism\n14:22 Historical roots of a distorted view — how chattel slavery, Gnosticism, and the dispensationalist emphasis on destruction shaped the American church's \"just go off to heaven\" mindset\n18:21 What will we actually do in heaven?...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/eGW0GjLFQWz3qpPjio-ji_5x5MOSNJlW79nf4VSHKIM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/LzI4Mzk3LzE2ODMw/MzYzMDItYXJ0d29y/ay5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}