{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"AI & I","title":"What Jason Fried Learned from 26 Years of Building Great Products","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3508,"description":"37signals makes tens of millions in profit every year but ⁠Jason Fried⁠ isn’t all that interested in running a business.\nInstead, he cares most about making great products—like ⁠Basecamp⁠, ⁠HEY⁠, and ⁠Ruby on Rails⁠—products that are centered around a single, coherent idea. These products are complete wholes, where each piece matters—like a Frank Lloyd Wright house or a vintage car.\nBut how do you create products like that?\nIn this conversation, we talk to Jason about what two decades of building 37signals has been like—and how to build products that have soul.\nIf you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share!\n\nWant even more?\nSign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT here: ⁠https://every.ck.page/ultimate-guide-to-prompting-chatgpt⁠. It’s usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free.\nTo hear more from Dan Shipper:\nSubscribe to Every: ⁠https://every.to/subscribe⁠\nFollow him on X: ⁠https://twitter.com/danshipper⁠\nListen to Working Smarter wherever you get your podcasts, or visit ⁠workingsmarter.ai⁠. \nTimestamps:\n00:00:00 - Start\n00:00:32 - Introduction\n00:02:06 - What architecture, watches, and cars teach us about software\n00:10:54 - How Jason thinks AI plays into product-building\n00:20:58 - How developers at 37signals use AI\n00:25:47 - Jason’s biggest realization after 26 years of running 37signals\n00:29:58 - Where Jason thinks luck shaped his career\n00:32:41 - What Jason would do if he were graduated into the AI boom\n00:37:22 - Dan asks for advice on running a non-traditional company like Every\n00:46:39 - Why staying true to yourself is the only way to build something lasting\n00:49:38 - Wholeness as the north star for building products—and companies\n\nLinks to resources mentioned in the episode:\nJason Fried: ⁠Jason Fried (@jasonfried)⁠, ⁠Jason Fried⁠\nMore about 37Signals: ⁠37signals⁠\nThe book about architecture by Christopher Alexander: ⁠The Timeless Way of Building⁠","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/tpm1hNSy8JXTtPDypo5McPF0S6eDqruRTGYywu9SVrc/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8yNDM2/YzU4NDNmYTQxNTJh/MTEzYjE4YmJmYTg5/ODY1NS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}