{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Selling From the Heart Podcast","title":"Amateurs Wing It. Professionals Plan. featuring Darrin DeStasio","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1911,"description":"Darrin DeStasio is a sales leader, author, and Co-Founder of Horizon Five, with more than 25 years of experience helping enterprise organizations turn strategy into measurable business outcomes.\nAs a Transformation Principal at Horizon Five, Darrin works with leaders across Finance, HR, and Supply Chain to bridge the gap between data strategy and execution. His approach brings together technology, governance, and people to drive meaningful, lasting transformation.\nDrawing on 27 years of experience with companies including Oracle, IBM, Demandware, and Alteryx, Darrin authored Sell the Hole, Not the Drill: What Top Sales Performers Do Differently. His philosophy challenges sales professionals to move beyond product features and focus on understanding customer needs, earning trust, and delivering outcomes that genuinely matter.\n\nSHOW SUMMARY\nIn this episode of the Selling From the Heart Podcast, Larry Levine and Darrell Amy welcome Darrin DeStasio, author of Sell the Hole, Not the Drill, to explore what top-performing sales professionals do differently.\nDarrin challenges salespeople to stop selling features and start solving problems. He explains why the best sales conversations begin with curiosity rather than persuasion, how to avoid the demo trap, and why understanding a customer's personal motivations is just as important as identifying their business challenges.\nThe conversation also explores the habits behind consistent sales performance. From researching prospects and asking better questions to establishing mutually agreed-upon next steps, Darrin shares practical ways to make every customer interaction more meaningful.\nHe also reveals how working backward from sales goals, understanding conversion rates, and building a disciplined activity plan helped him predict his own performance with remarkable accuracy.\nAt the heart of the conversation is a powerful reminder: “Amateurs wing it. Professionals plan.”\nIf you want to build stronger customer relationships,...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/n0ZRdDRG3wDfbthdUV_eFsMqptVAYkz5BxmFn3LZimI/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8xOTcw/NWMwNmUwYTM4MTNj/OTUwMTkzNzZkYzRj/NGEwMC5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}