{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Deployed: Where Physical AI Gets Real","title":"The Billion-Dollar Bug: John Giannandrea on AI's Next Breakthrough","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3483,"description":"John Giannandrea is the former Senior Vice President of Machine Learning and AI Strategy at Apple, and former head of Search and AI at Google. Earlier he worked at General Magic and Netscape, and was CTO of Tellme and of Metaweb, which Google acquired in 2010.\nJohn joins Brad Porter, who worked for him at Tellme, to talk about ideas that arrive 20 years too early, the day he saw the web and quit his job, why skeptics are a good sign, and how to know when an AI system that is never 100% right is ready to ship.\nThe conversation ultimately points toward a future where the next leap in AI comes from better architectures and a deeper understanding of the models, and where the teams that win, in software or robots, set a launch bar, ship into real work, and keep climbing.\n0:00 Intro\n1:33 From Scotland to Silicon Valley: Inmos, Pixar, and SGI\n4:15 General Magic: building the iPhone 15 years too early\n5:18 Seeing Mosaic, quitting, and joining Netscape as employee #20\n8:42 AOL buys Netscape and the move to Tellme\n11:43 Open-sourcing the browser: the road to Firefox\n13:32 Metaweb, Danny Hillis, and building the knowledge graph\n17:54 How Metaweb disrupted Google Search\n21:57 Google's AI second act and the $15K espresso machine\n24:41 Leading Google Search: a policy job, not a technical one\n27:23 Leaving Google for Apple: two opposite cultures\n31:48 Hill climbing: how ML features get to launch\n33:26 Beyond data and compute: the next architecture breakthrough\n35:08 Physical AI and why more data isn't enough\n36:56 Privacy, Apple Intelligence, and Private Cloud Compute\n40:08 Shipping LLMs: Siri, Gemini, and ChatGPT's surprise hit\n41:24 AI risk: what Geoffrey Hinton actually worries about\n42:41 The Vatican cardinal and the \"200-year experiment\"\n44:35 Was the internet a good thing? Building with humanistic intent\n48:50 Young people, search, and the hunt for truth\n50:52 AI is dual use: society will adapt and regulate\n52:43 US vs. China and the global talent race\n55:55 Overhyped...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/Z7ng7Y1KpXm38BVOn89Hj1PRWDk_-BBa6aqqGZl43cI/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9kMDhk/YTVlM2NhZjBlNGYw/YjVkMWVhM2E1MWJl/NTM0NS5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}