{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Practitioner-Scholar: The PennCLO Podcast","title":"Designing for Uncertainty: Rethinking Leadership Beyond Control","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1746,"description":"What if uncertainty isn’t the problem—but the point?\nIn this episode of the PennCLO Podcast, Dr. Jennifer Neumaier sits down with Penn CLO doctoral alum Dr. Lucrecia Grandolini about her chapter on leading through uncertainty from the book Leaders as Architects: Designing Organizations for Connection and Resilience, co-edited by Dr. Sharon Ravitch (University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education) and Dr. Ragu Krishnamoorthy, Director of the Penn CLO program. \nDrawing on her global experience across financial services, consulting, and clinical psychology, Lucrecia challenges the traditional “plan–predict–control” model of leadership—and offers a compelling alternative.\n\nTogether, they unpack:\nWhy uncertainty is both deeply human—and deeply misunderstood\nThe hidden cost of control: how it erodes trust and psychological safety\nThe “living iceberg” metaphor—and what leaders miss beneath the surface\nWhat uncertainty-friendly organizations actually look like in practice\nFour essential leadership practices for thriving in complexity\nThis conversation is a powerful invitation to stop trying to eliminate uncertainty—and start designing for it.","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/9IXXAuHWwLFdmQWXvfMsyUd7QYRsZYkD6zKSUJEC_qY/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/LzQ4OTY1LzE3MDY1/MDg5ODUtYXJ0d29y/ay5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}