{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Cheeky Pint","title":"Bret Taylor of Sierra on AI agents, outcome-based pricing, and the OpenAI board","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/5240a856\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":6083,"description":"Bret Taylor, co-founder of Sierra and Chair of the OpenAI board, joins John for a pint to discuss the rapid shift toward an agentic future. In this episode, Bret explains why outcome-based pricing is the future of software business models, and why he believes the atomic unit of AI productivity is a process, not a person. They cover why big companies struggle to adopt AI because they are “shipping their org charts.” Bret also discusses a new type of hyper-generalist, reflects on his experience with the OpenAI and Twitter boards, and explains why he believes we might see the end of the smartphone era.Timestamps(00:00:26) Coding(00:16:23) Sierra(00:27:14) Agentic UX(00:38:47) Building support agents(00:45:43) Co-developing with the models(00:50:08) SaaSpocalypse(01:00:50) Stripe Sessions(01:01:33) Outcome-based pricing(01:09:14) Is Sierra short AGI?(01:13:50) AI productivity(01:23:47) How to structure a tech business(01:30:25) Board drama(01:38:24) AI predictions","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/yxGTFiQoO_yf4AoNETaTqI0qZ7bnSJakdxQ_jGkRaug/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS82ZGFk/ODk1OGE5Y2ExZjc5/MGMxNjYwOWQxYjdi/YTlkYy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}