{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Twenty One Clear Podcast","title":"The Company and Your Inner-Family Business: Norm Smallwood interviews Adam Hatcher","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/5f515f85\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2125,"description":"The script flips. After two episodes of Adam interviewing Norm Smallwood — co-founder of The RBL Group and Adam's collaborator in restructuring his own family's company — Norm turns the tables and interviews Adam. They cover why Adam started Twenty One Clear, the inner family business hiding inside every family company, why succession is nothing like a baton handoff, and the two words Adam gives every family that works together: Do Not Drift. The episode closes with an impromptu case study from Norm's own consulting work, where an HR leadership succession project took a sudden inner family business turn.\n\n21C links\nTwenty One Clear website: https://www.21clear.com?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\nAdam Hatcher on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhatcher?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\nSubscribe to the Twenty One Clear newsletter: https://21clear.substack.com/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\nThe RBL Group (Norm Smallwood): https://www.rbl.net/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\nEpisode 12, Four Stages of Leadership, Part 1: https://21clear.transistor.fm/episodes/four-stages-of-leadership-part-1-stages-1-3?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\nEpisode 13, Four Stages of Leadership, Part 2: https://21clear.transistor.fm/episodes/four-stages-of-leadership-part-2-stage-4-and-the-stages-importance?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-14-the-company-and-your-inner-family-business&utm_content=show-notes\n\n\nBumper music: \"Still Hot\" by Nic D, Connor Price ©...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/HHbgVTqZixCkeX_Jh_q6Tgs1YQ7Uktx46HSFvtTgt5I/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9jMTYx/NDBkOWY1MzlkOWNl/MWE3YzVjMDY5MmE1/NWEwYS5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}