{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Unravelling","title":"It’s not about clutter: Why we misunderstand hoarding","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3007,"description":"In this episode of Unravelling, Kurt interviews renowned psychologist Dr. Randy O. Frost, a pioneering researcher in hoarding disorder, who explains what clinically significant hoarding looks like and why it’s about far more than clutter or cleanliness. At the heart of hoarding, he explains, are powerful emotional attachments to possessions, and the anxiety, grief, and meaning tied to letting them go.\nDr. Frost explores how hoarding often begins in adolescence and can intensify over decades, affecting relationships, families, and daily life. He discusses the roles of trauma, anxiety sensitivity, and difficulty tolerating distress, as well as the many reasons people save things. The conversation also examines treatment, emphasizing that lasting change comes not from big clean-outs, but from reshaping the relationship with possessions and learning to tolerate the distress of discarding.\nThroughout the episode, Dr. Frost shares clinical stories, including the story of Marnie Cooper, who documented her own struggle with hoarding and recovery. Her story sets the stage for the next episode of Unravelling, when Marnie joins Mary to speak candidly about her lived experience, what it took to confront her relationship with possessions, and what recovery continues to look like.\nBuy Dr. Randy O. Frost's book, Stuff: Compulsive Hoarding and the Meaning of Things\nMore about Dr. Randy O. Frost","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/DFv_jsT4dlZe1uqhWp5KSBDMc3cIxdIxVJhA07fsEN4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81NWY1/MWYzNzgwZGIwNmEy/NWNmM2U4N2U3MDA3/NTAwMy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}