{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Unravelling","title":"A certain weakness in us: Destructive followership, obedience and authority ","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3066,"description":"In today’s episode of Unravelling, host Kurt White sits down with Alette Smeulers, Professor of Criminal Law, Criminology, and International Crimes at the University of Groningen in The Netherlands.  Professor Smeulers has spent decades trying to answer the question: What is it that makes people perpetrators of mass atrocities, and why do people follow such leaders?  Together, they unravel the specifics of the Milgram Experiment, the mental health implications thereof, and what we can learn about ourselves from that field of work and research.\nAlette is the author of the book “Perpetrators of Mass Atrocities: Terribly and Terrifyingly Normal?” (Routledge, 2024), as well as the co-host of a podcast by the same title.  She believes that if we understand the true nature and causes of violence and mass atrocities, and understand who the perpetrators are, and why they commit such crimes, we may be in a much better position to prevent such horrific things from happening.\nFirst They Came\nPastor Martin Niemöller\nFirst they came for the Communists\nAnd I did not speak out\nBecause I was not a Communist\nThen they came for the Socialists\nAnd I did not speak out\nBecause I was not a Socialist\nThen they came for the trade unionists\nAnd I did not speak out\nBecause I was not a trade unionist\nThen they came for the Jews\nAnd I did not speak out\nBecause I was not a Jew\nThen they came for me\nAnd there was no one left\nTo speak out for me\nWebsite: \nhttps://alettesmeulers.org/en/home/\nBook:\nhttps://www.routledge.com/Perpetrators-of-Mass-Atrocities-Terribly-and-Terrifyingly-Normal/Smeulers/p/book/9781032568027?srsltid=AfmBOorPR1Ke5X_-mx2P8s8rOqQM19OAGa1xqF8phur7TR3W-bRRlCbW\nPodcast:\nhttps://www.rug.nl/rechten/actueel/in-de-media/podcasts/terribly-and-terrifyingly-normal/?lang=en\nhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2Bt5Wg5nbekeSo8UBDI5MY\nhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/terribly-and-terrifyingly-normal/id1708596464","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/DFv_jsT4dlZe1uqhWp5KSBDMc3cIxdIxVJhA07fsEN4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81NWY1/MWYzNzgwZGIwNmEy/NWNmM2U4N2U3MDA3/NTAwMy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}