{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Measuring Post","title":"One Role, Two Leaders with Chidimma A. Abuka PhD","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2189,"description":"Joe Massa sits down with Dr. Chidimma Abuka, Executive Director of Global Co-Leadership Development and Change Management at Polymathes Consulting and author of \"Co-Leadership: One Role, Two Leaders,\" to explore why leadership doesn't have to rest on one person's shoulders. They dig into her Dualist Co-Leadership System framework, how companies can assess readiness for co-leadership, the role of ego and trust, and why human connection still beats AI when it comes to shared leadership.\n00:00:55 - Welcome to The Measuring Post; intro to guest Dr. Chidimma Abuka and her background\n00:01:46 - Dr. Abuka joins the show and shares her excitement about the topic\n00:02:25 - How her diverse background in business, design, and sustainability led her to study global leadership\n00:03:43 - The \"train and engine\" analogy for how disciplines connect to leadership\n00:04:25 - Common misconceptions about co-leadership vs. co-founding\n00:05:03 - Co-leadership as intentional design, not divided responsibility\n00:06:00 - Why one-person leadership is becoming harder in a complex world\n00:07:07 - The need for a common language and framework in co-leadership\n00:08:01 - Benefits of shared decision-making and reduced stress on leaders\n00:08:19 - Introducing \"creative friction\" as a healthy dynamic between co-leaders\n00:09:14 - Real-world examples of co-leaders working across different locations\n00:11:15 - Where co-leadership works best and where it doesn't\n00:12:16 - Assessing organizational readiness and trust before implementing co-leadership\n00:13:52 - Explanation of the Dualist Co-Leadership System framework\n00:14:19 - Breakdown of the four domains and 13 criteria of the framework\n00:15:37 - Comparing co-leadership to co-parenting and professional \"marriage\"\n00:16:50 - Creating conditions for people to think and work well together\n00:18:04 - How co-leadership eliminates bottlenecks in business\n00:18:58 - Overview of the book \"Co-Leadership: One Role, Two Leaders\" and its companion...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/bQ70MslZqbpcIQsHhhsZfkHBjYAV0hEDTIeA_Y6ROhw/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9lYTli/ZTRkNWI0OGM1Njc1/MzAwNGEzMWY1ZDQ3/Yzc0YS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}