{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Drs S&O Podcast: The Power of Stories","title":"Alice in Wonderland: Navigating Uncertainty","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":55,"description":"# Navigating Uncertainty: Lessons from Alice in Wonderland\n> Discover how storytelling shapes our professional journeys with Leila Novras.\nIn this episode, we delve into the enchanting world of stories, particularly through the lens of Lewis Carroll's *Alice in Wonderland*. David Oxley and Helmut discuss how this seemingly whimsical tale serves as a profound allegory for navigating the complexities of professional life.\n## The Layers of Storytelling\nDavid begins by reflecting on how our professional lives often require us to wear different masks and adapt to various roles. He notes, \n> \"The best books have lots of different layers to them, that there is the superficial story and then there are the stories that are embedded beneath them.\"\nIn this spirit, he draws a parallel to their work in creating stories that embed deeper truths while remaining entertaining.\n## A Career through Uncertainty\nThe conversation shifts to their guest, Leila Novras, founder of Transformative Coaching Inc. Leila shares her remarkable journey from an assistant to a vice president in a male-dominated industry. She highlights that her career has been filled with layers of experiences shaped by historical changes and geographical transitions. \nLeila remarks, \n> \"Some people interpret *Alice in Wonderland* as a story about finding the right direction. But I think it's more about how to live in uncertainty.\"\nShe emphasizes the importance of movement and adaptability in navigating one's career path, echoing a famous quote from Carroll:  \n> \"It takes all the running you can do to stay in the same place.\"\n## Embracing Change and Coaching Others\nReflecting on her own transition from corporate life to coaching, Leila acknowledges the challenges of stepping into a new role without the safety net of a large organization. Yet, she appreciates the journey, stating, \n> \"I brought everything that I enjoyed in my corporate life into my current life.\"\nAs a coach, she now focuses on helping others find...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/oGapGwzTxIV9N2zpBhKmy7AulnsaFQg3PmkOuQZVpfU/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mYjcx/YjQzMWU2M2MxMmUz/MjA4NDRlNGUwZjc1/ZDYzZS5qcGVn.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}