{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Near Future Podcast","title":"Ep #14: Patrick Lewis (Klay): Founding Designer x4, and the Art of Saying No","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/8d030297\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2716,"description":"Tom and Jonny sit down with Patrick Lewis, founding designer at Klay. They dig into why \"good\" and \"right\" aren't the same thing, how AI has flattened the design experience curve, the pun-named playground he built to prototype without baggage, and why saying no might be the most important design skill right now.\nChapters\n0:04 — Meet Patrick Lewis, founding designer at Klay\n1:05 — Building Clay: an AI music app made by musicians, not sales bros\n2:27 — Content still has to resonate with humans, AI-generated or not\n6:27 — Consistency builds trust: designing believable AI video avatars\n10:16 — Figma bulls and bears: Jonny's rebuy vs. Patrick's near-total exit\n12:37 — Where Figma still earns its place: branding and early sketches\n13:42 — Founding designer for the fourth time: getting context fast with AI\n16:51 — Building a pun-named playground to prototype without baggage\n19:17 — Layoffs, flattened experience curves, and adopt-or-die\n27:09 — Knowing yourself, saying no, and the founding designer's tightrope\n36:44 — Capacity has grown, but so has the pressure to do it all\n39:23 — Quickfire: chairs over AGI, decision-making he won't outsource, and granola\nPatrick Lewis — https://patrickjlewis.com\nTools and products discussed\nFigma — https://www.figma.com\nClaude — https://claude.ai\nChatGPT — https://chatgpt.com\nGitHub — https://github.com\nKit (newsletter platform) — https://kit.com\nGranola — https://www.granola.ai\nFind us at nearfuture.works","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/8vUveugi5ZjKDI2pGhMY6ZwBcP7SSSqiqKb9hZCqvHM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9lOGE1/OTk1MmI3NWJjZTAw/Y2EyMWJjODZkODFj/MjI4MC5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}