{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Equator Podcast","title":"\"There's no distinction between the priorities of OpenAI and of the US government\"","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1626,"description":"How are the fascisms of today different from those of the past, and how can we collectively fight them? Equator's Pankaj Mishra talks to the award-winning writer Naomi Klein about how history repeats itself not precisely but in a morphed manner. The best image to visualise these cycles is not a circle but a spiral, pulling us downwards.The totalitarianism we see around us, Naomi argues, is different from that of the mid-20th century. For one, the technologies are different, and big American tech companies are deeply complicit in their government's abuses of power. The abusers themselves are of a different order. \"Never before have we seen an elite that is not only kleptocratic...but also spiritually vacuous and culturally empty,\" Pankaj says. The world is worse too, Naomi argues, because of its headlong rush towards momentous collapse. \"Our predecessors did not win their revolutionary battles against capitalism, and capitalism has become much, much worse,\" she says.Pankaj and Naomi also discuss her Equator essay Surrealism against Fascism, about how a radical artistic movement that emerged a century ago defied the rising fascism of the time. Naomi unpacks what surrealism stood for, how it challenged oppressive systems, and why its spirit could still prove immensely useful.","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/Yze5vPM6JHQ9jv5J1tdMMnGu052AKZeFh7tZ9wXWcwo/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81ZmMy/MjBlOWIxMzYxYTRh/ZGE5YWNlZjgxMTk1/MDA4Yy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}