{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Future of Life Institute Podcast","title":"Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave)","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/9ada1ade\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":4715,"description":"Adam Gleave is co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI. In this cross-post from The Cognitive Revolution Podcast, he joins to discuss post-AGI scenarios and AI safety challenges. The conversation explores his three-tier framework for AI capabilities, gradual disempowerment concerns, defense-in-depth security, and research on training less deceptive models. Topics include timelines, interpretability limitations, scalable oversight techniques, and FAR.AI’s vertically integrated approach spanning technical research, policy advocacy, and field-building.\nLINKS:\nAdam Gleave - https://www.gleave.me\nFAR.AI - https://www.far.ai\nThe Cognitive Revolution Podcast - https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai\nPRODUCED BY:https://aipodcast.ing\nCHAPTERS:(00:00) A Positive Post-AGI Vision\n(10:07) Surviving Gradual Disempowerment\n(16:34) Defining Powerful AIs\n(27:02) Solving Continual Learning\n(35:49) The Just-in-Time Safety Problem\n(42:14) Can Defense-in-Depth Work?\n(49:18) Fixing Alignment Problems\n(58:03) Safer Training Formulas\n(01:02:24) The Role of Interpretability\n(01:09:25) FAR.AI's Vertically Integrated Approach\n(01:14:14) Hiring at FAR.AI\n(01:16:02) The Future of Governance\nSOCIAL LINKS:Website: https://podcast.futureoflife.orgTwitter (FLI): https://x.com/FLI_orgTwitter (Gus): https://x.com/gusdockerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-of-life-institute/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rCCy3FQ-GItDimSR9lhzw/Apple: https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1170991978Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Op1WO3gwVwCrYHg4eoGyP","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/fFhIC-s2qSlHXzmJI7qMGts2WuLwImi4tWmRLH9EdPg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MmU5/MDZjZGQ5OTI0MDc5/YTk2ZTAxYTgwYTNk/M2VlOC5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}