{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Nichole Wischoff Podcast","title":"Zack Peng: From Software Engineer to Building an 8-Figure AI Returns Platform in 5 Years","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2599,"description":"This episode features an in-depth conversation with Zack Peng, founder and CEO of Seel, discussing the company's remarkable journey from a software engineering background to building an eight-figure revenue AI-enabled service platform. The discussion explores Seel's evolution in the e-commerce returns management space, tackling the significant problem where merchants spend 25% of GMV on returns, refunds, and post-purchase services. Zack shares candid insights about early technical challenges, operating at -200% contribution margins, discovering surprising behavioral signals like the impact of human models in product images on return rates, and the strategic transition from SMB to enterprise clients. The conversation covers founding philosophy, product-market fit discovery, the advantages of AI-enabled services over traditional SaaS models, scaling from minimal revenue to approaching nine figures with a lean team of 30 people, and contrarian views on the future of agentic shopping in e-commerce. Zack discusses how Seel uses proprietary underwriting algorithms with hundreds of signals to predict return probability, enabling merchants to offer risk-free shopping experiences while protecting their margins.\n00:00:00 - Intro\n00:00:42 - Pre-Seel career and algorithmic underwriting origins\n00:01:29 - Early experimentation and proof of concepts\n00:02:25 - Discovery of e-commerce returns opportunity\n00:03:21 - Early algorithm development and behavioral insights\n00:05:22 - Business model evolution and AI-enabled services\n00:07:20 - Building vertical-specific applications at scale\n00:09:21 - Growth strategy: SMB to enterprise transition\n00:11:46 - Founder-led sales and learning enterprise motion\n00:13:29 - Building with modern technology and lessons learned\n00:15:13 - Current product offering and value proposition\n00:18:22 - Team growth and hiring across functions\n00:20:30 - Ideal customer profile and market positioning\n00:21:42 - Future of e-commerce and agentic shopping...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/z6FKzAz7OPycDWz7mqcSseCBVR1WM20qrJciEzt8RyE/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS80MDAz/OGFlYzc1ZjFmMTZh/OGMxZDcwMTgzZjVj/Y2ExOS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}