{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"This is HCD – Human-Centered Design, UX & Service Design Thinking Podcast","title":"Luke Craven and Elise Motalli \"What it means to be a systems-conscious designer\"","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/a5905da5\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2080,"description":"I’m your host Kelly Ann McKercher, author of Beyond Sticky Notes: Doing Co-design for Real. In this podcast we hear from Luke Craven and Elise Motalli about what it means to be a systems-conscious designer, where we can turn to for more expansive language about the worlds we want. https://www.linkedin.com/in/elise-motalli-44070b119/Nora Batesonhttps://batesoninstitute.org/nora-bateson/","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/bbSCGWBz3zqqO7AXkOaFNw5evUGWqKe1HOhqXak5-nM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9iZTdi/ZjAyODc0MDkwNjM4/OTdhY2FjZTI1ODY1/M2ZiOC5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}