{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Still Early","title":"Building a phone company for the second time","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3129,"description":"In this episode:\nWhat Peter and Niklas are each working on right now (Tailwind, OG Kit, Phone.inc)\nNiklas hired his first employee and had to buy a laptop at Denmark's terrible excuse for an Apple Store\nPhone.inc's second paying customer and the challenge of marrying old telco infrastructure with a modern sign-up experience\nPeter's day in Copenhagen (coworking, Laravel meetup, the Royal Library, vibe coding a revenue dashboard)\nThe content plan for Still Early going forward (podcast and vlogs)\nPeter and Niklas are back for episode two, this time recording remotely from their respective towns. They use this one to properly introduce what they're each working on and catch everyone up on the week.\nThey start with a quick intro to what they're each working on. Peter works with Tailwind Labs, where the team is building ui.sh, which is basically trying to figure out how to get AI agents to become good at design. Peter also runs the Tailwind partner program and builds OG Kit on the side, a SaaS tool for dynamic open graph images that he describes as the perfect side project (tiny revenue, but super fun and near to his heart).\nNiklas gives the backstory on Phone.inc. He co-founded Firmafon back in 2009 (now called Relatel), which became the biggest SMB telco in Denmark. Around 10-15% of all Danish businesses use it today. But three things that didn't exist back then have completely changed: apps with built-in IP telephony, global telco infrastructure you don't have to build yourself, and AI that can actually access the contents of phone conversations. Phone.inc is basically Firmafon rebuilt from scratch as an app. The domain was just available, which is kind of unbelievable, and it was honestly the thing that made Peter get excited about the idea.\nThe big update this week is that Niklas hired his first employee, a designer and product manager named Katrine who he used to manage at Trustpilot. It was his first day having a coworker in over a year, and the onboarding...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/jiN5sNwxC3favF-CuribFhPuNYrIJomhSIW6PRT4RAk/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9hYTNj/MDZmN2Y1ZjQxYjEx/MjA1YWIzYzhlNWYy/ZmExYy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}