{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"AI & I","title":"The AI Sandwich: Where Humans Excel in an AI World","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1711,"description":"\nMost frameworks for working with AI agents assume humans should stay in the loop at every phase. That’s the wrong approach, says Cora general manager Kieran Klaassen.\nKieran is the creator of Every's AI-native engineering methodology, compound engineering. His four-step framework—plan, work, review, compound—rebuilds how engineers work with agents. The insight, worked out with collaborator Trevin Chow, is about when to be in the loop and when to step away and let the model handle it. \"LLMs are very good at just following steps, doing deep work, working for hours—days even now,\" Kieran says. \"That thing is kind of solved.\"\nKieran and Trevin describe an AI workflow as a sandwich. Agents are the workhorse filling, and humans are the bread, responsible for framing the problem at the start and reviewing the outputs at the end. \nEvery CEO Dan Shipper talked with Kieran for AI & I about why setting the frame of a problem is still hard for agents, why simulated personas won't replace human judgment, Dan's bar for AGI—an agent worth running 24/7 with no off switch—and what Kieran's background as a classical composer taught him about performance, polish, and finding the parts of work that bring you joy.\nIf you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share!\nHead to http://granola.ai/every and get 3 months free with the code EVERY\nTo hear more from Dan Shipper:\nSubscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper \nDiscover more resources in the episode\nCompound engineering plugin: https://github.com/EveryInc/compound-engineering-pluginCompound engineering guide: https://every.to/source-code/compound-engineering-the-definitive-guideCompound engineering camp: https://every.to/source-code/compound-engineering-camp-every-step-from-scratch\nTimestamps:  \n 00:00:00 – Introduction and the AI sandwich metaphor\n 00:02:33 – What compound engineering is and how it’s evolved\n 00:04:27 – The \"work\" phase of agentic...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/tpm1hNSy8JXTtPDypo5McPF0S6eDqruRTGYywu9SVrc/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8yNDM2/YzU4NDNmYTQxNTJh/MTEzYjE4YmJmYTg5/ODY1NS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}