{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Grit","title":"#137 CEO Oura, Tom Hale: Business & Backgammon","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/b7bcb8ad\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3867,"description":"Guest: Tom Hale, CEO of Oura\nWhen he was growing up, Tom Hale’s family had pretty ordinary dinner-table conversations: What happened today, how was school, etc. But every day after dinner, Tom and his father would play backgammon, an experience that indirectly taught him a lot about business. Now the CEO of wearable health company Oura, he recalls that the game helped him understand risk-taking, strategy, pattern recognition, and more. Tom’s father also insisted they play for money: “If I could win 20 bucks, I could go down to the store and get something. But when I lost, I felt the sting of it. That’s the best teacher, because you’re learning the preciousness of the decisions you make.”\nIn this episode, Tom and Joubin discuss Tom’s radio voice, games of chance and skill, vacation rentals pre- and post-Airbnb, “irritant” service fees, health tracking, the psychology of rebranding, the consumerization of healthcare, personalized medicine, the myth of the founder-hero, rowing machines, and the meaning of work.\nIn this episode, we cover:\nReturning to the office (00:50)\nJohn Doerr and Macromedia (05:15)\nPost-dinner backgammon (08:01)\nTom’s past jobs and HomeAway (11:31)\nCompeting against private startups (16:09)\nHow Airbnb captured demand (18:55)\nBeing acquired by Expedia (24:26)\nWhat Oura’s smart rings do (26:13)\nRebranding SurveyMonkey to Momentive (29:55)\nLeaving Momentive for Oura (31:54)\nMaking the case for himself (34:59)\nThe future of public health, data, and wearables (37:10)\n“Sleep is strategic” (42:32)\nWhy Oura is an AI company (44:48)\nThe health impact of a taxing job (47:16)\nBeing a non-founder CEO (49:39)\nWorking with people (53:38)\nWhat would be in a “working with Tom” doc? (54:52)\nManaging the psychology of a 10-year-old startup (56:48)\nBeing there for family & colleagues (59:18)\nWho Oura is hiring, and what “grit” means to Tom (01:02:54)\nLinks:\nConnect with TomTwitter\nLinkedIn\nConnect with JoubinTwitter\nLinkedIn\nEmail: grit@kleinerperkins.com \nLearn...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/jCea5f44KBONhOsyLyht9nXUrj2YBNfA6fc-kgyfWTM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/Lzk3NzAvMTY2Nzg2/MjQyOC1hcnR3b3Jr/LmpwZw.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}