{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Pop and Play","title":"Can Rules in Games Help Us Find Deeper Freedom?","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2658,"description":"Can rules give us more freedom? How can games help us make life more process oriented instead of outcome oriented? Can these questions about games help us think about teaching? This week Haeny and Nathan are joined by Professor C. Thi Nguyen from the University of Utah. Haeny and Nathan are big fans of the work in his book Games: Agency As Art and he has a new book out called The Score: How to Stop Playing Somebody Else’s Game. For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or search “Pop and Play” wherever you listen to Podcasts and subscribe!Our music is selections from Leaf Eaters by Podington Bear, Licensed under CC (BY-NC) 3.0.Pop and Play is produced by the Digital Futures Institute at Teachers College, Columbia University. Credits: Video and audio for this episode were recorded by Billy Collins with support from Biwen Liu. This episode was edited by Adrienne Vitullo and Billy Collins with support from Joe Riina-Ferrie. Website support by Abu Abdelbagi. Pop and Play is produced by Haeny Yoon, Nathan Holbert, Lalitha Vasudevan, Joe Riina-Ferrie, and Billy Collins and is part of the Digital Futures Institute Podcast Network at Teachers College, Columbia University.The views expressed in this episode are solely those of the speaker to whom they are attributed. They do not necessarily reflect the views of the faculty, administration, staff or Trustees either of Teachers College or of Columbia University.","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/TFeZELLoL9NSQJi4cjkhQYqp02ISH5eqXwnXJA7oHS8/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS83NGJi/ZDUyYjkxMmY0YTRi/ZjUxMzUyNGY5YWE4/NDYyNS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}