{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"We Not Me","title":"The irritating patterns of senior teams, with Joel Casse","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2356,"description":"Episode SummaryJoel Casse spent over two decades inside large global organisations — most recently as Nokia's Global Head of Leadership Development — watching senior teams up close. What he found wasn't a talent problem. It was a behaviour problem: packed agendas with no room for the team itself, leaders competing to showcase expertise rather than build on each other, and decisions perpetually kicked offline.The conversation explores why this happens — egos, function-first loyalty, a bias for action that keeps teams stuck above what Roger Harrison calls the \"waterline\" — and what actually shifts things. Joel's tool is the balcony move: stepping out of the discussion to name what he observes. One quiet observation (\"I've counted eight 'let's take it offline' in 20 minutes\") became a two-hour conversation about how that team made decisions. Slow to go fast.Key Themes & TakeawaysMost senior teams debate (I'm right, you're wrong) rather than dialogue (let's understand each other) — and almost never ask genuine questionsThe waterline model: teams focus on task and content; relationships and process stay hidden until something breaksThe SPQA framework: Situation → Problem → Question → Answer. The mistake is jumping straight from problem to answer\"Let's take it offline\" is a red flag — it means the conditions for real decisions don't exist in the roomIrritating behaviours go unchallenged because peers won't hold each other accountable and leaders see it as babysittingThe balcony move — stepping back to name what you observe — is the most underused act in senior team leadershipWhen senior leaders change, it trickles down: their direct reports start doing check-ins, calling out patterns, working the same wayThree Reasons to ListenListen if your leadership team meetings feel busy but never quite land anywhere. Joel names exactly what's happening — and why the smartest people in the room are often the ones causing it.Listen if you've ever sat in a meeting counting how many...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/cTxm0uMo1AuvRTsg1GhIjdn998MJJQ_xMMLaqK_LTcA/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8zOTk3/MThmYWIxNDllNjc2/YzEwZjVhOWNmZjVm/ODNmNi5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}