{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"It's A Pod Deal: Ministry Conversations With Lifelong Pastor Ronnie Worsham","title":"Bent Out of Shape: What Does \"Normal\" Even Mean?","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1923,"description":"Pastoral counseling isn't just about techniques, it's about understanding what people are truly being shaped by. In this episode, Ronnie continues explaining how psychology, Scripture, and decades of ministry have come together to form his approach to helping people who have been \"bent out of shape\" by life. Along the way, he challenges some common assumptions about what's considered \"normal\" and points toward a different vision of healing.\nTimestamps\n00:00 – Picking up the Bent Out of Shape series\n02:02 – Ronnie's background in psychology and counseling\n03:30 – Why relationships matter more than techniques\n05:00 – Shepherds, hirelings, and what real pastoral care looks like\n08:00 – The problem with defining \"normal\" by a bell curve\n11:30 – Glasser's four core human needs\n13:25 – Should Christians aim to be \"normal\"?\n17:05 – Counseling toward Jesus, not conformity\n22:45 – Key Scriptures behind the Bent Out of Shape framework\n30:10 – The infection beneath the symptoms—and a preview of next week\n\nDo you have questions or topic ideas for future episodes? Email any or all one the following:\nwilliam@ctfwylie.org\njvr@goddeal.com\nrw@goddeal.com","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/nfIaDOBu013JdD5FZRhLPpE9WO8oLSJI9_gFwyBsM9U/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mODI4/Y2MxNWJmNzk1ZjI5/ZWZjMmZmNmNmNzNi/MDQ3Ni5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}