{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Coworking Values Podcast","title":"From a Thousand Spaces to a Movement with Thilo Utke","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1405,"description":"Go to the Coworking Values Podcast website for the free five-day email course, The Five Biggest Mistakes Coworking Community Builders Make and How to Avoid Them — peer-to-peer stories from the trenches drawn from this podcast, one practical action each day. \n\nEpisode Summary\n\"We are a movement, not just an industry. It's still true. And I think we just got more powerful and also more grown up.\"\n\nThilo Utke can name the moment coworking grew up. He was there for it. In 2010 he and Alex started with a coworking space, then built the software to run it because nothing else did the job. That software is Cobot. Sixteen years on, the people who made it are paying members of Workish, a neighbourhood space in Berlin that runs on their own product. Bernie opens with the thing that matters: this \"isn't brought to you by Cobot. It's just a really nice, interesting story.\"\n\nThe occasion is a homecoming. Thilo is flying to Coworking Canada at the end of October, his first time back in a decade. The last time was 2016, in Montreal, the same city. The two of them read an old blog post from that trip and ask what aged well. The numbers from Carsten at Deskmag aged well. But the line that carried then still carries now. Tony Bacigalupo, one of the pioneers, said it in a speech: we are a movement, not just an industry. Thilo's verdict a decade later is the whole thesis in one breath. It's still true. And we just got more powerful and also more grown up.\n\nWhen Bernie presses him on what \"powerful\" means, the answer is precise. Coworking \"already succeeded.\" The idea that the workplace is fluid, not static, has been picked up by the real estate industry. You now have flex office. The expectation that a workplace is more than the tools around it, a place inside an ecosystem, is the idea winning. In a world where you need resources to push your ideas forward, that's what power looks like.\n\nBernie gives it a local shape. COVID forced people to stay in their neighbourhoods, and the...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/WIBJeL0fXbpb8oNZHEtSu5qeC3870OdCYV3XNCIVY1M/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8yZTBm/NGQ1N2YzYTcyNmE3/NTc2ZmU5NTBlYmNj/OTEwOC5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}