{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Unrefined Podcast .com","title":"E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2779,"description":"Misery has a way of forcing honest questions.\nIn this episode, Brandon sits down with Jennifer Johnson who has spent decades helping people move beyond information about God and into real, embodied transformation. This conversation explores heart physics, biblical meditation, imagination, and why so many believers know Scripture—but can’t seem to live free.\nWhat happens when the Word moves from the mind into the heart?\n What if healing isn’t about trying harder, fixing yourself, or perfect behavior—but learning to trust again?\nThis episode unpacks why religious systems often fear inner freedom, how imagination was designed to work, and why your response to pain determines the outcome of your story. The conversation culminates in a live guided biblical meditation that invites listeners into direct awareness of Christ within.\nThis is not self-help.\n This is not technique-driven spirituality.\n This is an invitation to closeness.\nhttps://paperbell.me/jenniferjohnson-coach\nhttps://joinapp.unrefinedpodcast.com\nTimestamps:\n00:00:51 Introducing heart physics and biblical meditation\n00:03:02 Growing up Christian and discovering something was missing\n00:05:24 How How to Stop the Pain reframed suffering\n00:07:45 Heart physics and the parable of the sower\n00:12:23 Why information alone never produces fruit\n00:16:52 Meditation, imagination, and reclaiming what religion feared\n00:21:37 Sanctified imagination versus misuse\n00:28:43 Christ in you awareness not self-fixing\n00:30:59 The moment Jesus said “I chose you”\n00:33:10 Why experience changes everything\n00:34:47 Guided biblical meditation begins\n00:41:56 Trusting Jesus as an invitation not a demand\n00:45:06 Final reflection and closing","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/SEi08kDnmS3ucXi-RfuKquACTpfh-Kjws-EHkJR3Eps/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9mYjhk/MGY5YjJhYTVlZGM1/ZDZhOWQ0MzNiMjIx/NWE4Yi5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}