{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Nathan Barry Show","title":"Forget Courses, Launch This In 2026 To Survive AI | Jay Clouse | 087","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/d520777e\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":3794,"description":"In this episode, I sit down with Jay Clouse, founder of Creator Science and one of the top thinkers in the creator economy, to talk about how to build sustainable memberships, price high-ticket offers, and stay ahead of AI disruption.\nWe dig into Jay’s insights from 250+ creator interviews, the future of online courses, and how group coaching programs quietly outperform larger audiences.\nJay shares the onboarding system behind his high-retention membership, how he scaled his Lab community, and why trust, not attention, is the metric that matters most in 2024.\nIf you want to grow a stable, high-leverage creator business, this is a masterclass.\nTimestamps:\n00:00 Introduction\n01:20 Why AI is going to disrupt course creators\n03:42 Hyper-personalized learning vs static curriculum\n07:11 What to build next if courses are dying\n10:47 Rethinking memberships and peer-to-peer communities\n17:21 Pricing for renewal instead of first-year sales\n22:04 Why he removed the member cap\n25:30 Objective criteria for curating communities\n27:00 Who earns the most per follower\n30:39 Done-for-you vs group coaching vs DIY\n34:32 Building sticky products that actually retain\n39:04 The onboarding system behind Jay’s community\n46:57 Keeping members engaged after 6 months\n50:54 Building habit loops and true community\n54:20 Why in-person events are now a priority\n58:03 Being authentic when you’re always “on”\n01:00:53 Don’t optimize for attention—optimize for trust\n01:02:28 Where to follow Jay\nIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.\nLearn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show\nFollow Nathan:\nInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry\nLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry\nX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry\nYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow\nWebsite: https://nathanbarry.com\n\nFollow Jay:\nWebsite: https://www.creatorscience.com\nInstagram:...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/94Z7X6faUKE41kiKTRfZPH0m-h9g7ytYNEt5v0i7EJE/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9kODMx/YjU2MDE1OGMwYTVj/YWE2MjUyOTkwNTVi/YmJkMy5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}