{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Live Free Ride Free with Rupert Isaacson","title":"What Sea Lions Taught Me About Training Horses with Jenifer Zeligs | Live Free Ride Free","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":8767,"description":"✨ \"You do it by offering before you ask, connection before direction.\" – Jenifer Zeligs\n✨ \"Look with appreciation. Look with delight. Look with interest. Look with curiosity.\" – Jenifer Zeligs\n\nJenifer Zeligs has spent her life reading animals of every kind, from cheetahs and wolves to sea lions and horses. She started at the National Zoo at nine years old, mentored by exotic animal trainer Casey Cover, and went on to a career that helped shape modern liberty horse training. She is also the person that legendary horse trainer David Lichman credits with the \"come bearing gifts\" philosophy that underpins his own work.\nThe conversation ranges across the two foundational techniques of animal training, why prevention beats correction in a crisis, and the true story of training sea lions to film humpback whales in the open ocean. Jenifer and Rupert also explore how a childhood horse allergy set her on this path, why individual variation matters more than breed or species, and how her practice as a Buddhist has shaped the way she teaches fearlessness and calm to horses.\nA wide-ranging, generous conversation between two people who have spent decades thinking about what animals need from us.\n\nFREE Helios Harmony Intro Course: https://longridehome.com/onoutpout\nAll Books Mentioned: https://longridehome.com/books\n\nWhat You'll Learn in This Episode\n00:04:23 – How a childhood horse allergy led Jenifer into a lifelong career as an animal behaviorist\n00:10:18 – The two foundational techniques of bridging (reward markers) and targeting that changed how she trains any species\n00:14:13 – The \"come bearing gifts\" principle: offering trust before ever asking for anything in return\n00:35:42 – What actually makes you a safe space for an animal, and what makes you unsafe\n00:41:31 – Systematic desensitization, and why announcing your intentions changes everything\n00:52:15 – The difference between behavioral and environmental enrichment, and why horses are missing out\n00:56:00 – Why...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/edefuo9BicUw7iv3tBYu0A0WPDz35rwksjCWzqzh4lQ/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/LzQwOTg5LzE2ODIz/MzM0MzYtYXJ0d29y/ay5qcGc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}