{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"The Slow Hunch","title":"Jake Heller (Co-founder & CEO of Casetext)","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":4529,"description":"In this episode of the Slow Hunch, I spoke with Jake Heller, co-founder and CEO of Casetext, a legal tech startup that pioneered the use of large language models in the legal industry.Jake and his co-founders built Casetext over a decade —  going through multiple pivots before eventually finding PMF as an AI tool that helped lawyers do better and faster legal research. In 2023, Casetext was acquired by Thomson Reuters for $650 million. In this conversation, Jake recounted how an early relationship with the research team at OpenAI got them access to GPT-4 (before the launch of ChatGPT!) and how they decided to hard pivot over the course of just two weeks. As a former lawyer himself, Jake has a unique take on the challenges of building and selling cutting-edge software in an industry that has traditionally been a late adopter of tech. This was a really fun conversation (you can probably tell because it’s longer than our usual episodes). Hope you enjoy! Chapters 00:00:00 Cold open00:06:15 How Jake found himself in legal tech00:10:07 Building Casetext00:28:41 Getting early access to GPT-4 00:38:21 The AI pivot 00:46:38 Convincing the team00:57:03 Engineering solutions to improve real-world performance 01:07:06 Jake’s thoughts on the future of the legal industry01:14:29 Closing thoughts","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/Miey0AwAFKTKs0A_ufYSnDbrZHkWY3pdiAZS43mf4rw/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8wYTMz/NDYyYTc0NDBkZWNi/YWM3OWI5NDExYzQ5/NGNkMC5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}