{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Grounded Engagement","title":"SE01 E04 How to Lead Through Conflict, Change & Uncertainty | Barry Johnson","html":"","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":2487,"description":"What does it really take to lead through complexity, conflict, and social change without falling into either/or thinking?\nIn this powerful conversation, Kristina Katayama sits down with leadership thinker and Polarity Thinking pioneer Barry Johnson to explore how leaders, organizations, and societies can navigate tension, power, change, and human development more effectively. Barry shares insights from decades of work on polarity thinking — the practice of moving beyond simplistic “problem/solution” thinking to better understand the interdependent tensions that shape leadership, relationships, organizations, and culture.\nTogether, they unpack some of the biggest challenges of our time: power and power dynamics, social change, emotional development, racism, sexism, polarization, leadership resilience, and the difference between claiming power and sharing power. Barry explains why so many leaders and systems get stuck in unsustainable patterns, and how a more integrated, both/and mindset can help us lead with greater wisdom, accountability, compassion, and effectiveness.\nThis episode is a deep exploration of leadership development, emotional intelligence, systems thinking, organizational resilience, social transformation, and what it means to engage conflict and complexity without dehumanizing others. If you’re interested in leadership, culture change, systems change, organizational development, DEI, social impact, or personal growth, this conversation is packed with insight.\nIn this episode, we discuss:\n* What polarity thinking is and why it matters for leadership\n* The difference between either/or thinking and both/and thinking\n* Human development, vertical development, and emotional intelligence\n* Power dynamics, leadership, and the misuse of power\n* Racism, sexism, class, and the structures that sustain inequity\n* Why change efforts fail when they ignore interdependence\n* How leaders can navigate conflict, uncertainty, and competing priorities\n* Accountability,...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/x5xkfdWuX9GmdCJn0ZFNdlTGkxLQjykc0Gn5Spyy9dg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9jYzVl/NzgyOGI0ZmRiYjZm/YjMxNzEzYjZlOGYy/ODlmNy5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}