{"type":"rich","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Transistor","provider_url":"https://transistor.fm","author_name":"Serious People Podcast","title":"Matt Van Horn: Never Read the Plan","html":"<iframe width=\"100%\" height=\"180\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless src=\"https://share.transistor.fm/e/fdbdc8c2\"></iframe>","width":"100%","height":180,"duration":1597,"description":"Matt Van Horn got rid of his IDE. Then he got rid of his text editor. Now he doesn't even read the plan his AI agent writes; he just asks for the TL;DR (Too long; didn’t read) and lets it run. He's the founder behind three open-source projects (Last 30 Days, Printing Press, and Agent Cookie), the former founder of June, the smart oven company that put an NVIDIA GPU on a countertop appliance years before anyone said \"agentic,\" and he's now building a new company in what he calls the \"after Claude\" era.\nIn this conversation, Noah and Matt get into what it actually looks like to trust an AI agent with real work, where that trust should stop, and why the calculus changes completely once real customers, real revenue, or real hardware are on the line.\nIn this episode, you’ll hear:\nWhy Matt stopped reading the plan, and when that's actually a bad idea\nHow building a company after Claude 4.5 changes headcount and strategy\nThe simplest way to start learning AI coding by contributing to open source\nChapters:\n(00:00) Introduction\n(02:15) The case for “dangerously skip permissions”\n(03:31) From “don’t read the code” to “don’t read the plan”\n(07:45) Why vibe coding died last Thanksgiving\n(09:11) Matching your risk tolerance to the stakes\n(11:13) Building a company after Claude 4.5\n(15:04) Personal productivity with Granola and Claude Code\n(16:05) The missing agentic email product\n(18:07) How the open source projects feed the business\n(20:35) The best way to start contributing to open source\n(25:06) There's more than one right way to build now\n\nResources:\nSponsor: Valet — https://valet.dev — the secure place to share what AI creates.\nFollow Valet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/valetdotdev/ \nConnect with Noah on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahlevin/\nSerious People Website: https://seriouspeople.ai/ \n\nConnect with Matt on X: https://x.com/mvanhorn \nFind Matt on GitHub: https://github.com/mvanhorn \nJune’s Website: https://juneoven.com/ \nLyft’s Website:...","thumbnail_url":"https://img.transistorcdn.com/NxoMuCaL8mXunCKvOjnRkI-5gybrIUeofz2EwSDdIxE/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:400/h:400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS8zZTQz/MDY2YWExNDY1MDhi/Njk3ZGE5YmIxNjI1/MTYxOS5wbmc.webp","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300}