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Speaker: Welcome to Honest Money.

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I'm your host, Anya, and today's
episode is brought to you by hard block.

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Anja: Joining me today is Adam Hudson.

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Adam Hudson is a business owner.

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He's been in business for over 30 years.

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He's also the founder of
Unemployable Media and a Bitcoin

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and a Freedom Maximalist that I
found on Instagram of all places.

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Welcome to Honest Money.

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Adam,

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Adam: my absolute pleasure.

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I love the title of your show.

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How could I Resist?

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Anja: Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I, yeah, my background is in
marketing, so I wanted a really

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strong first impression and people
to wonder what the show is about.

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Adam: Yeah.

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Um, the shows.

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So

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Anja: I would love for you to introduce
yourself a little bit more to my audience.

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I've been following you for some
time on Instagram, and, uh, you've

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got like over 106,000 followers
that you've been building up

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over a number of years and, and.

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You're not as active on Bitcoin,
Twitter, whereas I'm probably more

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active on Bitcoin, Twitter, and
very underactive on Instagram.

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Um, but yeah, like tell, tell the
audience like where are you from?

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How did you get into business
and how did you get into Bitcoin?

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Adam: Great question.

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So I just want to, uh, apologize
to the audience where I am today.

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I'm in ATU in Bali, and right
next door is a construction site.

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So if you hear jack hammering and all
that, there's nothing I can do about it.

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There's about 50 Javanese dudes
out there hammering it out.

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So, um, I apologize if
that's coming through.

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So yeah, look Anna, my story
is, uh, is it Ana or Anja?

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Anja: Anja

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Adam: Anja?

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Yeah, so I'm Australian,
as you can probably tell.

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Born in, um, Adelaide and today
I split my time between Panama

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and Indonesia and Cyprus.

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So I have homes in, um, all three places.

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I left Australia about a year ago per.

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Um, but my background is, uh,
basically entrepreneurship.

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So I'm 51 today.

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I started in business when I was
19, and I've been happy birthday.

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Oh, no, no.

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I, I don't mean I'm 51 today.

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I mean, at this time in my life I'm 51.

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Um, so yeah, so, um, it's, uh, so
I've been in business for 32 years.

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Um, and I came from a working
class family and, uh, I learned

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business by trial and error.

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I didn't go to university.

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Um, I just read books.

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Failed a lot.

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I had a bit of success in my twenties,
um, but didn't invest my profits

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well, uh, struggled through most
of my thirties and then really made

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my money in my forties, um, through
a few businesses that I started.

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And I was fortunate to invest those,
uh, those profits into real estate.

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And so I invested heavily into industrial,
um, buildings on the Gold Coast.

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So I owned multi-tenanted factories.

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Uh, that I had tenants like
a Hillsong style church.

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I like a Pentecostal churches.

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I had gyms.

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I had, um, e-commerce companies.

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So I had multiple of these free standing
buildings, which were divided into, um,

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you know, spaces from about 150 meters
up to about 500 meters, um, per tenant.

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Uh, and I also own a, uh, a
large caravan park as well.

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Um, so that's my sort of
business investing background.

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And I came across Bitcoin in
2000 and, uh, 1314 originally.

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Uh, I was living in Los
Angeles at the time and I had

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friends talking about Bitcoin.

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I think I bought some and sold it
and didn't really understand it.

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Um, I certainly didn't
buy a big stack then.

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I'm not a, uh, an old
school whale Bitcoin.

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Um, I started accumulating Bitcoin
in 2017, 18, around that time,

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and really not that in earnest.

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I, I bought a few Bitcoin back then.

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But it wasn't really until COVID
or pre COVID, when was that?

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I'm just trying to think now,
2019 that I started to accumulate.

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So just before COVID I started
to get really into Bitcoin

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and started to accumulate.

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So my first Bitcoins were bought very
cheap, um, and uh, but really in earnest,

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um, when it was around that four or
5,000 mark and then up from there.

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Um, and so at first Bitcoin for
me was just like an investment.

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You buy it because you want it to go up.

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Then over time I learned about money and
I learned why I loved your podcast title.

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Um, honest Money.

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It is the only honest Money in the world.

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Um, so I'm not sure which direction
you'd like to take it, but I, I, I

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became a real enthusiast and, uh,
and it just captured my imagination.

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It educated me about money.

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It educated me about the nature of life,
which sounds weird, but it really did

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teach me the essence of what we do as
entrepreneurs and how broken the, the,

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the system is that we save and measure in.

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And so, um, today I try to educate people.

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I, I travel over the world teaching mainly
Bitcoin is really what I'm interested in.

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Now.

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Anja: Have you been to
Bitcoin Bali House yet?

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Adam: I have not, no, I'm in Bali, but
I haven't been to Bitcoin, Bali house.

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Anja: Yeah.

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I went and visited them when
I was there last year I think.

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And yeah, really, really
nice people run the place.

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And it's very well organized.

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I'm actually quite impressed.

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Adam: Oh, that's great.

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I mean, I, I think that
grassroots stuff is amazing.

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And Cyprus, I, I attend the, uh,
Bitcoin meetups and I've spoken at them.

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Um, and that's really what makes.

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Bitcoin's so great is is the, the
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I love going to the events and uh,
I just love the eclectic mix of

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everyone from Wall Street billionaires
to Cipher Punks and rebels all

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in the one room at the one time.

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It's awesome.

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Anja: Yep.

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I, I love it.

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I go to quite a few meetups here in
Australia and we have this wonderful

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event called the Bitcoin Bush
Bash, where, which is completely

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like open source, decentralized
grassroots community run event.

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It's free to attend, there's no like
sponsorships, no commercial interest,

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and it's just organized by local
people so anyone can put their hand up.

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Um, and there's several in a
different state and I think UK

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has now also copied the model and
created something similar over there.

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And yeah, they're just wonderful events.

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We just get together and talk
about Bitcoin for like three days.

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And does attract like a very
eclectic mix of people, but we all

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get along really well because I
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Um, but I'm very curious to know, Adam,
like, so what was it that finally clicked

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in for you when it comes to Bitcoin?

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Was it just understanding
money or was it anything else

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Adam: as well?

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Well, I mean, from a bus, I think
the business economics clicked in

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for me before the moral, um, aspects
of Bitcoin because I'm a bit, I'm an

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investor and a business guy first,
and that's what I'm obsessed with.

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So, well, I was obsessed with these days.

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I'm sort of semi-retired and
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But, um, you know, first of all,
global digital limited asset, you know,

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these were the words of Kathy Wood.

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Um, when she was describing Bitcoin, I
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Um, savings technology that is global.

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It's digital, which means that anybody
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which means nobody can control it despite
the fud, fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

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That is an acronym for, for new
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with that phrase, um, you know,
it, it's not controlled by anybody.

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It's not co-opted by anybody
buying a whole bunch of, it

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doesn't give you more votes.

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It's actually a node that you know, it, it
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So, um, when I understood sort of the,
the, I think what sold it on, on it from

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an economic point of view was I looked at
the universe of, uh, investible assets.

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So on earth, if you divide the
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real estate, art, and collectibles.

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Equities as in the stock
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If you put all of those assets
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value savings, like fiat currency
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about a thousand trillion dollars,
which is a quadrillion dollars.

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So just think of the number of
thousand, and then you look at Bitcoin.

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So how much of global assets does Bitcoin
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based on it being let's say, a hundred
thousand dollars a coin today, how?

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How much is it worth for
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It's about 2 trillion, so it's
about 2 trillion out of a thousand

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trillion of potential places
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So it's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny segment.

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But when you compare all of those
asset classes side by side, since the

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inception of Bitcoin to today, Bitcoin
has been the best performing asset

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every year except for four years.

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And overall it has been
the best by a mile.

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You're talking hundreds and hundreds
of percents before, like the best

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performing stock in that time is
Tesla and it's annihilated Tesla.

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So it's, it's annihilates everything.

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Yet it only represents two parts of a
thousand in a pie, which to me says,

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well, there's all this money in these
big pools of capital, like real estate

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and gold and bonds and everything
that is underperforming Bitcoin.

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So surely some of that money,
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money is gonna sooner or later.

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Investment managers, money managers
are gonna say, look, we really

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should have some exposure to this
incredibly strong asset called Bitcoin.

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And I'm not saying they're gonna
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Bitcoin, but if they sold 2% of their
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Bitcoin to just spice up the returns.

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Um, and you're seeing it now.

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You're seeing nation states doing it.

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You're seeing Harvard University
famously said Bitcoin is more likely

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to go to zero than a hundred thousand
dollars than three years later.

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They bought a hundred million
dollars worth at a hundred

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thousand dollars, right?

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So eventually it bends the knee
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We've seen JP Morgan Chase now saying
Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is the future.

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We've got a White House that's
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So I just looked at that and went, okay,
we have this incredibly strong, um,

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asset, the best asset the world has ever
seen from a performance point of view.

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It has a minority share of the pie.

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And then it's fixed.

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So it is the only thing on
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that you can't make more of.

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Right?

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Gold.

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About two to 3% of gold is mined
every year, which means that in 50

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years there'll be double the amount
of gold on earth than there is today.

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So there is no real fixed
supply of gold, right?

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There's no fixed supply of shares because
companies can issue them will, there's

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obviously no fixed supply of money because
the US dollar and every fiat can't see

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in the world relies on money printing.

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So it is the only fixed supply
where the monetary policy is hard

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coded and is deflationary in nature.

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Each year less and less and less
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So when I looked at those things together,
I was like, alright, from an investment,

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an investment thesis point of view,
this is the fastest horse in the race

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with really cheap odds at the moment.

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Um, so that's that.

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Then I looked at the moral
and ethical side, and that's

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a whole different discussion.

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Anja: Yeah.

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And it's, that's what kind
of makes it so easy to love.

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Like you just kind of, you
feel good about owning Bitcoin.

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Um, but I laughed just before when
you were talking, um, because you

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mentioned, you know, it's been the
best performing asset apart from four

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years, and then last year was obviously
for a lot of people, very unexpected

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ending to, to the, to the year.

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It was just, I'm laughing because
obviously I still, I still believe

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in Bitcoin and I don't care so
much about the price these days,

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but, um, were you surprised by,
by how Bitcoin ended last year?

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Adam: Uh, yeah.

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Look, I, I felt we would go
a lot higher than we did.

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Um, but I'm not at all disappointed.

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Like these days I'll see, like,
I did a call this morning.

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I got a call from Melbourne,
one of my mates who runs a,

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a, a company called Storm Re.

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He rang me, he says, oh,
brother, we're up 6% today.

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And I was like, oh, I haven't even looked.

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You know, I, I'm not as.

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Varied.

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Uh, you know, like, um, these days
when I was younger in my Bitcoin

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journey, I was like watching the
price every day and I'd see it plummet

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and I'd, oh my God, have I made the
right decision, the wrong decision?

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I mean, I, I just keep buying.

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And I published my purchases on
my Instagram like a week ago.

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I bought more Bitcoin
at $90,000 or $89,000.

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And I said, guys, people keep asking me
what's happening with the Bitcoin price.

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And I say, I just went and bought, I
think I bought 30 grand's worth last week.

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Boom.

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This is, this is what I think
it's the old saying, right?

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Like, if you wanna know what somebody
believes in, look at what they invest in.

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Look at what they actually own that will
really tell you what they believe in.

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'cause a lot of people out there
talking, but what are they really buying?

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Um, so no, the, the short answer is,
um, I've been here long enough to

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not try and pick tops and bottoms.

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I'm not a trader.

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I had a guy on my podcast called
Jason Pino, who's a trader, and

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he said, Adam, you should wait.

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Just wait.

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Because the charts are saying
it's gonna go here and he might

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be right, but I'm not a trader.

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And I, I, and I look at it and go,
look, I'm not selling, um, yet.

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Maybe in 10 years I might, if I
need fiat cash for some reason.

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But I really take a 10 year view
and in my view, and I look at it

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at 90, I look at it a hundred, I
look at at 70, I look at it 120.

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It's all the same to me because I believe
by 2032 or 2035, we are looking at maybe,

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you know, a much stronger price, let's say
500,000 to a million dollars per Bitcoin,

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which is only a five x to 10 x from
here, which for Bitcoin is not that big.

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So yeah, that's my view of the world.

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I don't get shaken by much these days.

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Anja: Yeah, same.

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I think a lot of people real
really, um, relate to that.

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But I also wanted to touch a
little bit on your podcast.

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I saw that recently you interviewed,
um, I've just had a brain freeze.

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The Senator, um mm-hmm.

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Andrew Bragg.

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Adam: Mm-hmm.

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Anja: And yeah.

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What did, what did you think of him?

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Adam: I thought he was wishy-washy.

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I, I didn't think much of him at all.

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Um, not, I mean, I'm not
talking about him personally.

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I'm sure he is a very
nice man in real life.

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I'm just talking about his politics.

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Um, I was, I mean, I left
Australia because I've lost hope

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for the future of the country.

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And I really, and it was confirmed
in that when I see Australians

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absolutely screaming because the middle
class has been hollowed out, right?

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Property investors have gotten
rich, and I was one of them.

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But it's not good for Australia
to have this pushing to the edges

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when young people can't afford
a home, the knock on effects of

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housing affordability are massive.

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And it's not just young people
complaining about not getting a

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house, they're not gonna have kids.

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Um, the, the nation itself dies
because housing affordability

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gets, people buy into the nation.

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The military struggles to recruit people
to defend a country because they don't

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feel they've got a stake in the country.

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Right?

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Um, so it's, it's a, it's a real problem.

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Housing affordability.

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So we are seeing, um, unfortunately,
um, the rich get richer and the

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poor not even having a vote.

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Um, the rent becomes an,
an, an institutionalized tax

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that they can't get out of.

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Um, while the asset holders get richer
and richer, the renters go nowhere

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and it's like a tax they can't escape.

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Um, and then when I sit opposite
the shadow treasure, uh, the shadow

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minister for housing, which is perhaps
the hottest, most painful topic in

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the country right now, and he looked
me in the eye and I said, Senator,

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you, we've had 1.2 million immigrants
in the last two years into Australia,

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which is double the long-term average.

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That is 1.2 million people that need
a home in this country, that if the

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borders were closed for a minute while
we have this high housing affordability

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crisis, we would've 1.2 million
less people that would need a house.

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Mm-hmm.

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So can you explain to me how you believe
that, that, that, that, that immigration

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housing affordability are not linked.

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And he, he, I pushed him on it three times
and he said, no, no, it's just an input.

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It's not the major driver.

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And I'm like, I was banging my head
against a wall and I was like, dude, like,

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and he's supposed to be in opposition.

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So the public are at a, clearly, at
a state of crisis, he could easily go

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after the Labor party for be putting
him, even if the liberals probably

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started this train, who knows?

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But he could have had one political points
by even saying the populist thing, but

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he wouldn't even say the populist thing.

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And so in my mind, this is planned.

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There, there is a reason for this that is
bigger than the happiness of Australians

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and the wellbeing of Australians.

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And that is devastating to me.

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Anja: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, I think a lot of people are
in agreeance with you there.

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When you say you think it's
planned, what are your theories

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in terms of who's behind?

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Like what's the driver of this?

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Well.

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Adam: You know, I, I don't know.

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I'm not as far down the conspiracy
rabbit holes and I don't say

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that in a dismissive way, right?

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Like I used to say it in a dismissive
way, but the conspiracy theorists

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actually have turned out to be right.

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They've just been fortune tellers, really.

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Um, future tellers, right?

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The truth, um, I haven't invested going
down that rabbit hole and I'm not doing it

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because it just does not bring me any joy.

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It actually makes me quite upset and
it affects my mental health deeply.

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And it's why I left, to be honest with
you, is partially why I left because what

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the answers I came to is that Australia
has sold out to money and power and, uh,

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the, the, the party that is in power, and
I, I say the Labor Party 'cause they're in

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power, but I would say the liberal party.

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Um, you know, a, any anybody could
have told you who sat down, I've sat

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down with Senator Gerard Rennick,
former Senator Gerard Rennick.

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We just interviewed him on
our pod again last week.

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Gerard Rennick was in the Liberal party.

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Um, and if you had a chat with Gerard
Rennick, any logical, reasonable

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Australian, I believe, if they had an
hour with Gerard Rennick and an hour

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with Peter Dutton, there is no contest
of, in terms of intellect, in terms

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of charisma vision if it's no contest.

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You know what happened
with Gerard Rennick?

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They booted him out of the party, right?

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The man that was far more capable
to run that party, they ended up

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booting him because he wasn't prepared
to pay the political game, right?

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And so the political game
is all about keeping power.

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And the, the they what that
once they're out of power.

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When you've served 2, 3, 4 election
cycles in opposition, your appetite

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for power is ravenous and your
desire to keep it when you have it.

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And we have these three year
election cycles in Australia.

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It's just this constant fricking circus.

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And it doesn't work, in my opinion.

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I'm not even sure that
democracy works anymore.

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Um, and, uh, because it keeps the
population distracted and stupid

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and it puts that, those that need
money next to the money printer,

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because the satisfaction right now
in Australia is more than 50% of the

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Australian voting populace relies on
the government for their principle

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source of income, either through a
government job or a government subsidy.

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More than 50% of the voting public.

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That means that we have crossed
the, the social Rubicon into

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being a socialist country because.

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50% of Australians are probably going
to vote for their own best interest.

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In other words, whichever politician
says they're gonna give them the most

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money in a handout is who's going to win.

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So it is the money printer that is
dictating, uh, leadership instead

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of morals instead of values.

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Um, and that's where, that's where,
um, uh, you know, uh, democracies

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break down and, and, uh, sometimes
a, you know, a, uh, a compassionate

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dictatorship would work better.

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Anja: Yeah.

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Or a monarchy, but yeah.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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I've been going down some democracy
rabbit holes recently, myself.

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And yeah, like looking back at
history, it's not really how democracy

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was envisioned by Socrates, um,
to work the way it does today.

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So yeah, agree.

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There's definitely limitations to how
it is, but I wish I knew that you were

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interviewing Gerard Renick, because I
have a lot of questions for the man.

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He was always probably one of my
like, top five favorite senators.

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There's a lot of things that I agreed
with him on, and I really liked that he

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quite agitated the RBA and he would ask
some questions about, you know, reserves

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at the Bank of England, gold Reserves at
the Bank of England and things like that.

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But then, and he wanted to reform the
banking industry, which, you know,

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I, I really respect him for that.

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But then when he came to Bitcoin,
he just didn't wanna hear it.

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He didn't wanna engage
in, um, public discourse.

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He was quite dismissive on,
on um, uh, Bitcoin, Twitter.

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And yes, he got attacked
sometimes a bit unfairly as well.

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He just kind of doubled down and it kind
of confuses me why a people First Senator

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is so dismissive of people First money.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Adam: Well, it's, it's interesting you
mentioned that because when he was leaving

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the studio the first time our studio, I
said, Senator, I wanna send you a gift.

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Um, it's a book and I think
you'll get a lot out of it.

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Uh, where do I send it?

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And he gave me the address.

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So I sent him, uh, the Bitcoin
Standard by my friend, Saifedean

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Ammous And I said, Senator, I loved
everything that you had to say, and

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I absolutely respect your intellect.

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Which is why it surprises me that
you haven't understood Bitcoin yet.

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And I don't mean that.

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I, I say that with the utmost respect,
knowing that you are my intellectual

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superior, but I truly don't believe so.

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Everybody's on their journey, and I
think in time, uh, he, like many other

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intelligent men and women before him
will come to understand Bitcoin and

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be an advocate for it, but everybody,
you know, has their own time.

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In his case.

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I just don't think it's a priority.

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Um, I don't think that
it's an ego-based thing.

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I think it's just, it's not a priority.

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And like many of his generation,
it's probably just a bridge too far

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to sort of understand at this stage.

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But there'll come a time where he'll
sit down, he'll read a book, um, and

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he'll, uh, I think it'll change his mind.

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Anja: I hope so.

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And I, I hope I'm alive for
that day, if that happens.

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I really hope.

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Yeah.

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I, I would like to see that
kind of turn around in him.

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I think he, he would redeem himself in
a lot of people's eyes if he did that.

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Um, hint, hint.

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But Yeah.

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But I'm also really curious.

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Sorry, I just lost my train of thought.

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Hold on.

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Adam: When you think about it, and you
know, you look at Jamie Diamond, you know,

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he was on record as saying Bitcoin is
rat poison, and now he's turned around.

447
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So Australia of all countries in the
world is perhaps one of the least

448
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progressive when it comes to Bitcoin.

449
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That's what I was gonna ask you.

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So it's so slow.

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It is so far behind the rest of the world.

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I'm buying a home in
Panama, um, next month.

453
00:24:28,524 --> 00:24:32,154
And, uh, over there public
servants are paid in Bitcoin.

454
00:24:32,154 --> 00:24:36,624
Banks will custody your Bitcoin for you
so when you log into your savings account,

455
00:24:36,624 --> 00:24:39,114
you can see your savings, your checking,
your credit card balance, and your

456
00:24:39,114 --> 00:24:41,664
Bitcoin balance when you log in, right?

457
00:24:41,664 --> 00:24:43,374
It's, it's a different world.

458
00:24:43,704 --> 00:24:46,944
So Australia is just last to
the party because they're one of

459
00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:48,354
the richest countries on earth.

460
00:24:48,384 --> 00:24:53,979
So their need to know is very low
because Australians live under the uh,

461
00:24:53,979 --> 00:24:57,789
idea that their money is safe in banks,
which for the large part it probably is.

462
00:24:58,089 --> 00:25:01,689
Um, but they, but they're now
starting to wake up because they're

463
00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:05,859
starting to feel the pain of
broken money through inflation.

464
00:25:08,259 --> 00:25:08,559
Anja: Yes.

465
00:25:08,949 --> 00:25:13,869
And I wonder as well how that adoption
from here on will pan out in Australia.

466
00:25:13,869 --> 00:25:17,409
Whether it will be like public
led or whether there's gonna

467
00:25:17,409 --> 00:25:19,029
be interested politicians.

468
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:21,489
'cause there's not been that many so far.

469
00:25:21,969 --> 00:25:26,169
Um, I only know of one MP that
took an interest in reaching out

470
00:25:26,169 --> 00:25:29,439
to the Australian Bitcoin industry
body to learn more about Bitcoin.

471
00:25:29,439 --> 00:25:32,829
But for the large part,
it's not even discussed.

472
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,809
Um, the RBA has made some really
weird statements about it.

473
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:39,579
Um, they don't understand it then.

474
00:25:39,579 --> 00:25:40,809
Apparently they do.

475
00:25:41,109 --> 00:25:44,409
And what's, you know, what, what
Michelle said that her understanding

476
00:25:44,409 --> 00:25:46,989
of Bitcoin kind of reveals
that she doesn't understand it.

477
00:25:47,349 --> 00:25:50,049
I don't know, again, if
that's her being strategic.

478
00:25:51,474 --> 00:25:53,694
I don't know, like,
it's, it's interesting.

479
00:25:53,694 --> 00:25:59,604
But do you think there's anyone in
Australia that might be more like, who,

480
00:25:59,604 --> 00:26:03,414
if there was gonna be one politician,
who do you think that might be?

481
00:26:03,414 --> 00:26:06,509
If like the first to
take interest in Bitcoin,

482
00:26:07,554 --> 00:26:11,034
Adam: I would say I, I would say probably,
uh, one nation would, would probably be

483
00:26:11,424 --> 00:26:16,104
the most, because one Nation and Barnaby
Joyce and the farmers have a very deep

484
00:26:16,104 --> 00:26:17,934
understanding of what's fair and true.

485
00:26:18,384 --> 00:26:21,834
Um, it, it's innate and I don't think
they're bought and paid for as much

486
00:26:21,834 --> 00:26:23,094
because they're not in power yet.

487
00:26:23,544 --> 00:26:29,364
Um, I think that, you know,
Australia is a, a monopoly of banks.

488
00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:31,614
It is a monopoly of big media.

489
00:26:31,884 --> 00:26:38,574
It is a monopoly controlled
by, um, uh, uh, unions, right?

490
00:26:38,574 --> 00:26:39,414
That is Australia.

491
00:26:39,414 --> 00:26:45,654
It is one big corrupt um, uh, system
where one hand feeds the other

492
00:26:45,684 --> 00:26:47,484
politicians are bought and paid for.

493
00:26:47,754 --> 00:26:51,024
Like Tucker Carlson said it wouldn't
cost much to buy Anthony Albanese.

494
00:26:51,294 --> 00:26:51,954
It just wouldn't.

495
00:26:52,434 --> 00:26:52,764
Right.

496
00:26:53,124 --> 00:26:58,734
Um, and so Australia, you know, the,
the banks are insanely profitable.

497
00:26:59,004 --> 00:27:01,044
Um, why, why would they want Bitcoin?

498
00:27:01,374 --> 00:27:04,314
Like, because it reveals
the fraud that they are.

499
00:27:04,824 --> 00:27:05,214
Right?

500
00:27:05,514 --> 00:27:08,034
Um, so banks are not gonna want Bitcoin.

501
00:27:08,304 --> 00:27:13,524
Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, I, I, I
think that the, the, the ones that

502
00:27:13,524 --> 00:27:17,874
are most open to it are the ones that
have an inherent sense of fairness,

503
00:27:18,234 --> 00:27:19,584
um, and doing the right thing.

504
00:27:19,884 --> 00:27:23,154
And I, I just haven't seen a lot of that
leadership in Australia, you know, yet.

505
00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:30,354
Uh, apart from, um, you know, I, I think
Pauline and Gerard and a few of the,

506
00:27:30,414 --> 00:27:33,204
um, other younger senators coming up.

507
00:27:33,834 --> 00:27:37,134
Uh, are phenomenal and it, it'll also
be a bit of an age thing, you know,

508
00:27:37,224 --> 00:27:41,904
like, um, the younger generation coming
through understand Bitcoin, they get it.

509
00:27:42,234 --> 00:27:43,104
So it'll just be time.

510
00:27:43,134 --> 00:27:44,034
It will happen.

511
00:27:44,034 --> 00:27:48,174
It is, as Lynn Lynn Elden says,
this train can't be stopped.

512
00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:51,084
And a lot of it is just gonna
be one person talking to another

513
00:27:51,084 --> 00:27:52,644
person, talking to another person.

514
00:27:53,034 --> 00:27:56,724
Um, and sooner or later,
um, truth will win.

515
00:27:57,264 --> 00:27:57,354
Anja: Mm-hmm.

516
00:27:58,194 --> 00:28:02,364
So what would your advice be like if I'm
a young Australian and I'm fresh out of,

517
00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:09,414
you know, university and, uh, get my first
job, is do you really believe that like

518
00:28:10,194 --> 00:28:14,874
saving in Bitcoin would be the best bet
for a young person today in Australia?

519
00:28:14,874 --> 00:28:17,454
Or investing in something else?

520
00:28:17,454 --> 00:28:18,444
Investing at all?

521
00:28:19,044 --> 00:28:19,344
Adam: Yeah.

522
00:28:19,404 --> 00:28:19,734
Yeah.

523
00:28:20,274 --> 00:28:23,154
So for a young person, I think the
first thing you've gotta do is get

524
00:28:23,154 --> 00:28:27,054
this toxic poison out of your head
that because house prices are out of

525
00:28:27,054 --> 00:28:29,724
reach, you don't have a chance anymore.

526
00:28:30,594 --> 00:28:32,424
Now, I'm not saying that that's not true.

527
00:28:32,424 --> 00:28:33,234
I agree with you.

528
00:28:33,234 --> 00:28:34,014
It is true.

529
00:28:34,014 --> 00:28:35,694
The house pricing is unfair.

530
00:28:36,234 --> 00:28:39,954
My mom and dad bought a house
at four times Dad's income,

531
00:28:39,984 --> 00:28:41,154
let alone mom's income.

532
00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:44,994
Mom got to raise the three of us
boys at home and, and dad bought

533
00:28:44,994 --> 00:28:47,874
a house on a single income, which
is wild to think about today.

534
00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:51,174
And today it's like 15 times of
12 times or something like that.

535
00:28:51,474 --> 00:28:55,404
So get that outta your head because I
honestly believe hand on heart, young

536
00:28:55,404 --> 00:29:00,849
people today have more opportunity by
a factor of a thousand or a hundred

537
00:29:00,849 --> 00:29:02,799
than what I had when I grew up.

538
00:29:03,099 --> 00:29:06,519
And what I mean by that is you
have access to incredible knowledge

539
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,919
and education for free, right?

540
00:29:08,919 --> 00:29:11,439
Like you can sit down and listen
to Elon Musk get interviewed

541
00:29:11,439 --> 00:29:12,729
about business, right?

542
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:14,379
That never happened in my generation.

543
00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:17,889
When you got the Rich List came out as a
printed magazine once a year, and there

544
00:29:17,889 --> 00:29:21,039
was a paragraph that long about somebody's
business activities for the year that

545
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,419
was successful and that was all you got.

546
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,199
And then you had a few books, but
there wasn't anything like that.

547
00:29:26,199 --> 00:29:28,959
And there's, and the exponential,
there's so many young people, I see

548
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:32,589
'em here in Bali running multimillion
dollar e-commerce businesses from

549
00:29:32,589 --> 00:29:35,019
laptops in cafes in Ubud, right?

550
00:29:35,019 --> 00:29:37,239
Like, that was never a possibility for me.

551
00:29:37,869 --> 00:29:39,429
So you've got enormous opportunity.

552
00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:45,639
Um, I also believe that we live at,
on the doorstep right now, literally

553
00:29:45,639 --> 00:29:49,239
on the doorstep, not the, the,
not the, the, the driveways there

554
00:29:49,239 --> 00:29:50,529
and then the door and the port.

555
00:29:50,529 --> 00:29:51,639
I mean, we are literally.

556
00:29:52,029 --> 00:29:57,699
On the doorstep to the biggest
change in human history with the

557
00:29:57,699 --> 00:29:59,559
emergence of AI and robotics.

558
00:30:00,129 --> 00:30:06,069
And this will be the most disruptive
thing in probably human history.

559
00:30:06,459 --> 00:30:10,629
And whenever there is disruption in
business, there is money to be made.

560
00:30:10,959 --> 00:30:13,839
It means money and resources
move from one place to the other.

561
00:30:14,169 --> 00:30:18,519
And your job is to position yourself in
the middle of that movement like a river.

562
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:20,169
You need to have a net out.

563
00:30:20,379 --> 00:30:24,279
You need to be the, the guy that catches
the most fish is the one or the girl

564
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,209
with the, with the, the net in the right
river where the most fish are going past.

565
00:30:28,719 --> 00:30:36,009
And so, um, I think Bitcoin is one
because we are seeing also, um,

566
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:42,489
enormous awareness now coming to how
fragile the global, uh, economy is.

567
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:48,384
Uh, we saw what happened in, uh, uh, is
it Venezuela now where, oh no, sorry.

568
00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:48,954
Iran.

569
00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:55,344
Um, uh, every Bitcoin owner in Iran
is now a billionaire in Iranian

570
00:30:55,344 --> 00:30:58,974
dollars because the Iranian, uh,
currency collapsed this morning.

571
00:30:59,394 --> 00:31:04,164
And so those who held Bitcoin have a
hard currency that they can convert to

572
00:31:04,164 --> 00:31:08,004
US dollars, they can convert to euros,
they can convert to whatever they else.

573
00:31:08,244 --> 00:31:13,734
If they held it in Iranian dollars,
they are bankrupt today, literally gone.

574
00:31:13,824 --> 00:31:17,544
Your life's work, your savings
technology that the banks in Iran

575
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:22,764
told you were safe, you stored
your, um, irreplaceable life force.

576
00:31:22,764 --> 00:31:25,734
The abstracted form of your
life is called an energy.

577
00:31:25,734 --> 00:31:28,644
When you get paid is
called money or fiat cash.

578
00:31:28,884 --> 00:31:33,504
You put that fiat cash, which is an
expression of your sacred spiritual time.

579
00:31:33,834 --> 00:31:35,784
You put it in a bank and
they stole it from you.

580
00:31:36,174 --> 00:31:36,984
It's gone.

581
00:31:37,254 --> 00:31:41,274
That is so morally corrupt that it's
beyond words, but those who store

582
00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,254
that economic energy in Bitcoin.

583
00:31:43,629 --> 00:31:47,949
They didn't miss a beat and they could
cash in that Bitcoin for unlimited

584
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:51,939
amounts of, of Iranian money now
because it's actually worth zero.

585
00:31:51,939 --> 00:31:59,379
So, um, anyway, um, so I think not
financial advice, but I, again,

586
00:31:59,379 --> 00:32:01,779
what I said to you earlier, if you
wanna know what somebody believes

587
00:32:01,779 --> 00:32:03,129
in, look at what they invest in.

588
00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:04,629
Do I invest in Australian real estate?

589
00:32:04,659 --> 00:32:05,019
No.

590
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,739
I sold all of my Australian real
estate other than the caravan part

591
00:32:08,739 --> 00:32:09,939
because I own it with a friend.

592
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:17,619
Um, but I own Bitcoin, I own Tesla,
um, and I own some hotels here in Bali.

593
00:32:18,069 --> 00:32:22,269
Um, well, one, uh, I'm a major
investor in a hotel here and I'm

594
00:32:22,269 --> 00:32:24,279
about to build another hotel here.

595
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:25,299
Um.

596
00:32:25,674 --> 00:32:28,764
Because I think there's other
opportunities and I, and, and I like

597
00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:35,124
my, uh, income to be derived from real
estate because I believe that people

598
00:32:35,124 --> 00:32:36,714
will always need somewhere to live.

599
00:32:37,314 --> 00:32:37,764
Um, yeah.

600
00:32:37,824 --> 00:32:41,094
And so, uh, and over time
because of money printing, real

601
00:32:41,094 --> 00:32:42,864
estate will continue to go up.

602
00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:46,794
So, uh, I think real estate still
has a place, but whether or not

603
00:32:46,794 --> 00:32:49,734
it's in Australia or other places
in the world is another question.

604
00:32:49,944 --> 00:32:53,634
And for me, Australia was not the place
for me because I could see what was

605
00:32:53,634 --> 00:32:57,204
happening there with the pitchforks
coming out for the rich, the hungry

606
00:32:57,204 --> 00:33:02,394
tax, um, goblins that the government
wanting to just tax, tax, tax, tax,

607
00:33:02,394 --> 00:33:06,084
tax and real estate is an immovable
asset that the Australian government

608
00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:08,154
is addicted to the tax revenue from.

609
00:33:08,813 --> 00:33:13,433
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613
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Anja: Yeah.

614
00:33:29,137 --> 00:33:33,337
And that's kind of the, the depressing
thing about Australia at the moment.

615
00:33:33,337 --> 00:33:38,257
So if you're a young person, is
it better to make your money in

616
00:33:38,257 --> 00:33:43,402
Australia and then look to leave or
just leave sooner rather than later?

617
00:33:43,792 --> 00:33:47,692
Like, I feel like there's a bit of an
exodus, you know, of high net worth

618
00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:53,122
individuals leaving in Australia, which
is interesting because the data actually

619
00:33:53,122 --> 00:33:59,182
shows that we're having more, um, high
net worth individuals coming to Australia.

620
00:33:59,182 --> 00:34:02,632
But anecdotally, the conversations
that I'm having indicate that

621
00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:04,612
people wanna leave or are leaving.

622
00:34:05,182 --> 00:34:05,812
So

623
00:34:06,772 --> 00:34:10,252
Adam: what's so, so, I mean, my,
my thinking for young, if I had

624
00:34:10,252 --> 00:34:14,212
a young person in my life today,
a son or a daughter, uh, in

625
00:34:14,212 --> 00:34:16,132
Australia, I would say this to them.

626
00:34:16,702 --> 00:34:18,172
Um, go.

627
00:34:18,172 --> 00:34:21,382
So a lot of people think that the biggest
investment they ever make is their house.

628
00:34:21,412 --> 00:34:23,782
It's not, it's the government
that you choose to live under.

629
00:34:23,812 --> 00:34:25,252
That's the number one investment.

630
00:34:25,582 --> 00:34:28,732
So if you stay in Australia and you
start a business, you are going to

631
00:34:28,732 --> 00:34:32,752
be in business with somebody that
gives you zero, takes no risk.

632
00:34:33,577 --> 00:34:38,557
Puts no money in, does no work,
and wants 25% of your profits

633
00:34:38,647 --> 00:34:39,997
from at the business level.

634
00:34:40,207 --> 00:34:44,107
And if you make any real money and,
and then wanna withdraw, uh, some

635
00:34:44,107 --> 00:34:48,427
of that 25, uh, you know, business
profits to go and enjoy it for yourself

636
00:34:48,427 --> 00:34:55,297
somehow, that you'll be on subject
to top up tax, up to 47% tax, right?

637
00:34:55,837 --> 00:35:03,997
Uh, in addition to that, you're gonna pay
rates, uh, fines, levies, um, fuel excise.

638
00:35:03,997 --> 00:35:08,137
So when you fill your car up, you
know, 30 or 40% or something of

639
00:35:08,137 --> 00:35:09,697
the fuel that goes into your car.

640
00:35:09,697 --> 00:35:13,507
Pauline Hansen was on my pod not
long ago and she said, Adam, uh,

641
00:35:13,537 --> 00:35:18,247
40% of the price of a new house,
home and land in Australia is taxes.

642
00:35:19,477 --> 00:35:22,177
So just let think, think about
that for a minute, right?

643
00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,667
So you've gone and saved your deposit.

644
00:35:25,657 --> 00:35:28,987
You've got tax paid dollars,
and then you buy an asset that's

645
00:35:28,987 --> 00:35:30,937
got 40% tax built into it.

646
00:35:31,357 --> 00:35:33,187
You buy yourself a champagne to celebrate.

647
00:35:33,217 --> 00:35:36,907
You have, uh, alcohol tax, you
know, so it doesn't end at what the

648
00:35:36,907 --> 00:35:38,887
employer takes out of your salary.

649
00:35:39,307 --> 00:35:44,107
So think carefully about where you
are going to live, live frugally,

650
00:35:44,887 --> 00:35:50,677
um, and uh, and work really hard
in, in a tax efficient place.

651
00:35:50,677 --> 00:35:51,877
That's low cost to live.

652
00:35:51,877 --> 00:35:54,967
That's what I would do for
say, 10 years of your life.

653
00:35:55,267 --> 00:35:59,257
And I would do it also for the spiritual
and personal growth points of view.

654
00:35:59,887 --> 00:36:03,607
I've never met somebody who moved and
lived overseas for 10 years and said,

655
00:36:03,607 --> 00:36:04,987
that was the worst thing I ever did.

656
00:36:05,467 --> 00:36:05,557
Yes.

657
00:36:05,557 --> 00:36:09,337
They always, when they come back,
say, oh my God, it changed my life.

658
00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:12,067
It changed everything about
the way I see the world.

659
00:36:12,067 --> 00:36:15,067
And if anything, you'll appreciate
Australia for the many beautiful

660
00:36:15,067 --> 00:36:16,777
things that it has to offer.

661
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:22,132
But, um, if you live in Australia only,
you have a very limited view of the world.

662
00:36:22,777 --> 00:36:27,127
Um, and uh, and I think that's
really bad for your personal growth.

663
00:36:27,217 --> 00:36:28,837
It's bad for your compassion.

664
00:36:29,347 --> 00:36:33,487
The number of Australians that when I
post about Bali, they go, oh, I'd never

665
00:36:33,487 --> 00:36:35,797
live in that cesspool of a shit hole.

666
00:36:35,797 --> 00:36:42,757
And I'm like, you are such an
entitled arrogant dirt bag.

667
00:36:43,057 --> 00:36:47,797
Like there there's 200 million
beautiful people in Indonesia who are

668
00:36:47,797 --> 00:36:49,117
among the nicest people in the world.

669
00:36:49,117 --> 00:36:52,117
This is their home and they
just shit all over it because

670
00:36:52,117 --> 00:36:54,217
they're so spoiled in Australia.

671
00:36:54,217 --> 00:36:57,127
They're like a good looking man or
woman with a horrible personality.

672
00:36:57,907 --> 00:37:02,347
And um, and that's what in my mind,
Australia has become, we've become

673
00:37:02,347 --> 00:37:03,817
the new America of the world.

674
00:37:05,257 --> 00:37:05,647
Anja: Yeah.

675
00:37:05,737 --> 00:37:10,807
It's interesting you said that because
earlier on today I saw a comment which

676
00:37:10,807 --> 00:37:13,267
was taking a swipe, I don't think at you.

677
00:37:13,267 --> 00:37:15,217
I think it was at Matt Cameron actually.

678
00:37:15,457 --> 00:37:15,547
Yeah.

679
00:37:15,547 --> 00:37:17,947
Which I know you guys know each other
'cause of bull You on Instagram.

680
00:37:18,397 --> 00:37:18,877
Um.

681
00:37:19,762 --> 00:37:24,292
But someone wrote it is like, why is
hating on Australia suddenly a trend?

682
00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:24,682
I don't know.

683
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:26,332
I'll send it to you so you can see it.

684
00:37:26,722 --> 00:37:31,012
But yeah, basically it's interesting
there, there's always like that

685
00:37:31,012 --> 00:37:35,752
balance between being patriotic
and also being realistic.

686
00:37:36,772 --> 00:37:42,322
It, you can't deny that things have
gotten worse in Australia and everyone

687
00:37:42,322 --> 00:37:47,242
has their breaking point, um, in terms
of how much more they can tolerate.

688
00:37:47,242 --> 00:37:50,992
I, I personally question what my
breaking point is going to be.

689
00:37:51,292 --> 00:37:54,562
Like, I, I came to Australia
with my family in 1997.

690
00:37:55,222 --> 00:37:57,202
Absolutely love the country.

691
00:37:57,352 --> 00:37:58,192
It's beautiful.

692
00:37:58,192 --> 00:37:59,032
It's stunning.

693
00:37:59,392 --> 00:38:02,872
It's given me great opportunities
and I'm forever grateful for that.

694
00:38:02,872 --> 00:38:06,232
Like my life has changed because
of Australia, but then I look

695
00:38:06,232 --> 00:38:09,862
at where it's heading and coming
from an ex-communist country.

696
00:38:10,432 --> 00:38:11,872
It makes me really nervous.

697
00:38:12,232 --> 00:38:18,562
Um, and yeah, I guess I, I don't
know what, what's that going to be?

698
00:38:18,562 --> 00:38:24,622
Things like digital ID and cbdc,
like sets an unprecedented level

699
00:38:24,682 --> 00:38:29,212
of centralized power, which I
have a particular version for.

700
00:38:29,602 --> 00:38:32,482
And it feels like, you know,
it's kind of being rolled out in

701
00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:34,612
the west throughout the world.

702
00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:37,942
I, I think maybe that's gonna be the,

703
00:38:39,022 --> 00:38:42,232
Adam: let me ask you an, 'cause I,
I'm, I'm actually curious myself.

704
00:38:42,562 --> 00:38:42,682
Yeah.

705
00:38:42,682 --> 00:38:43,522
So where were you from?

706
00:38:44,212 --> 00:38:47,422
Anja: Uh, I was born in Croatia
and I'm Serbian Croatian.

707
00:38:47,422 --> 00:38:49,847
So there was that conflict as well.

708
00:38:50,557 --> 00:38:50,847
Adam: Yeah.

709
00:38:50,997 --> 00:38:51,287
Yeah.

710
00:38:51,952 --> 00:38:58,072
So, so when you see Albanese, um,
getting smashed after the Bondi

711
00:38:58,072 --> 00:39:05,362
shootings, um, and his next move is
to try and ban X in Australia, what

712
00:39:05,362 --> 00:39:09,442
does that make you think as somebody
coming from a former communist country?

713
00:39:10,762 --> 00:39:14,707
Anja: I like, I've seen
this played out before.

714
00:39:14,712 --> 00:39:18,352
Before, you know, so I think
that's what, what makes me nervous.

715
00:39:18,352 --> 00:39:22,162
It's like his whole reaction
to the Bondi shooting.

716
00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:24,787
Just seems very disingenuous.

717
00:39:25,327 --> 00:39:29,857
Um, and I think a lot of people are
starting to, to wake up to that.

718
00:39:29,857 --> 00:39:33,757
Like a lot of people that may have been
swing voters are now like, wait a minute.

719
00:39:33,757 --> 00:39:37,957
Like you just can't say certain
words out of political correctness.

720
00:39:37,957 --> 00:39:41,167
And I can understand why
Australians are angry over that.

721
00:39:41,557 --> 00:39:46,837
Um, the fact that he's showing up
and not showing genuine remorse.

722
00:39:46,957 --> 00:39:49,387
Um, I think people can see through that.

723
00:39:49,837 --> 00:39:57,067
Uh, the fact that there's an unprecedented
level of votes to get him out of office.

724
00:39:57,157 --> 00:40:02,407
And every single prime minister since I've
been here has had those, John Howard has

725
00:40:02,407 --> 00:40:09,637
had signatures to have him resign julia
Gillard, Kevin Rudd, um, Tony, um, Abbott.

726
00:40:09,642 --> 00:40:13,027
Abbott, they've all done it, but it's been
in the thousands of the tens of thousands.

727
00:40:13,237 --> 00:40:16,567
And then elbow comes along and
it's like hundreds of thousands

728
00:40:16,567 --> 00:40:18,187
of signatures to get him out.

729
00:40:18,637 --> 00:40:25,897
And just seeing a government, so tone
deaf and blaming extremism and blaming

730
00:40:25,897 --> 00:40:32,107
all these things that aren't the core
issue, it just seems like there's

731
00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:34,027
a lot of gas lighting happening.

732
00:40:34,027 --> 00:40:39,502
And then again, all of these things
that he's trying to implement like

733
00:40:39,502 --> 00:40:44,602
the, the latest bill that he's propo,
that he's proposing for, you know,

734
00:40:44,602 --> 00:40:49,072
the government to become the arbitrary
of what's considered hate speech.

735
00:40:49,582 --> 00:40:52,552
And, you know, he, he, he
defined that in his words.

736
00:40:52,552 --> 00:40:57,592
And just hearing those words, like
it becomes really ambiguous as to

737
00:40:57,592 --> 00:41:02,002
what might be caught in that net and.

738
00:41:02,992 --> 00:41:06,112
Who's going to decide that, and
so's going to be the government.

739
00:41:06,202 --> 00:41:09,442
And the fact that he doesn't like
that he's been put in a bikini

740
00:41:10,492 --> 00:41:12,952
on X is just, I don't know.

741
00:41:12,952 --> 00:41:16,822
It just makes me feel very,
very, um, uneasy again.

742
00:41:16,822 --> 00:41:19,042
Last year he proposed the MAD bill.

743
00:41:19,342 --> 00:41:20,992
Luckily that got shut down.

744
00:41:21,232 --> 00:41:24,202
Like, but the fact that there was even
a line in there saying, you know, you

745
00:41:24,202 --> 00:41:27,742
can't speak up against the Australian
economy or the banking system.

746
00:41:28,162 --> 00:41:31,162
I'm paraphrasing now, but there
was, there was a line like

747
00:41:31,162 --> 00:41:32,782
that that just, I don't know.

748
00:41:32,842 --> 00:41:35,722
There's too many things that are just
making me feel really uncomfortable

749
00:41:35,722 --> 00:41:39,052
and I never thought I would see
Australia come to this point.

750
00:41:39,652 --> 00:41:42,502
Adam: And I, I think Anya, you,
you're hitting on something here.

751
00:41:42,502 --> 00:41:47,152
It's another vector, an important
vector for the listener around Bitcoin.

752
00:41:47,452 --> 00:41:51,352
And I want the listeners to hear that
what Anya and I are discussing here,

753
00:41:51,352 --> 00:41:56,272
this is respectful discourse about
how we feel about our government.

754
00:41:56,962 --> 00:41:59,242
I've already spoken to Matt Cameron.

755
00:41:59,302 --> 00:42:03,232
I've already spoken to Big Chalky,
uh, you know, who's blown up online.

756
00:42:03,232 --> 00:42:05,992
I've spoken with the guy from
Two Worlds Collide podcast.

757
00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:07,312
We've had him on our, on our show.

758
00:42:07,882 --> 00:42:12,712
All of these guys could be deemed
in the government's eyes and indeed

759
00:42:12,742 --> 00:42:17,632
this conversation as defraying the
social order, which I think are the

760
00:42:17,632 --> 00:42:20,542
words that they're trying to pass
through legislation at the moment.

761
00:42:20,872 --> 00:42:26,572
If they assess this conversation to
be, um, defraying, the Social Order

762
00:42:26,572 --> 00:42:32,872
in Australia, we are subject to
arrest, to censorship, to fines right.

763
00:42:33,292 --> 00:42:39,862
Now this is, again, another vector for why
Bitcoin becomes so important because it

764
00:42:39,862 --> 00:42:42,202
operates outside of government control.

765
00:42:42,202 --> 00:42:46,882
So if they wanted to shut you down on
you and, and you didn't have Bitcoin,

766
00:42:47,152 --> 00:42:49,012
they could just freeze your bank account.

767
00:42:49,042 --> 00:42:52,222
I don't know your circumstances, whether
you have kids or kids in school and all

768
00:42:52,222 --> 00:42:55,912
these different things, but of course
when you've got obligations to live.

769
00:42:56,437 --> 00:43:00,607
It's not hard to get an ordinary
everyday person to comply if you

770
00:43:00,607 --> 00:43:01,897
just squeeze the money supply.

771
00:43:02,287 --> 00:43:02,677
Right.

772
00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:08,467
But if, if Anya or me have a hundred
thousand dollars saved in Bitcoin outside

773
00:43:08,467 --> 00:43:10,717
of the banking rails, we are free.

774
00:43:11,437 --> 00:43:11,677
Right?

775
00:43:11,677 --> 00:43:12,997
We can still transact.

776
00:43:12,997 --> 00:43:14,377
We, you know, we can still

777
00:43:15,772 --> 00:43:20,467
Anja: I did, I did actually look at,
um, you know, what it would take to

778
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:25,027
leave Australia and you, like, of
course it makes sense now in hindsight,

779
00:43:25,027 --> 00:43:29,737
but I was just surprised at how you
get taxed to death on your way out.

780
00:43:30,097 --> 00:43:33,817
And that kind of raised the question for
me, like, who does my life belong to?

781
00:43:35,077 --> 00:43:36,397
Adam: Who does all your stuff belong to?

782
00:43:36,547 --> 00:43:39,007
Anja: Like, am I even
a real person anymore?

783
00:43:39,007 --> 00:43:39,487
Like

784
00:43:40,477 --> 00:43:40,807
Adam: Yeah.

785
00:43:41,527 --> 00:43:41,917
Mm, yeah.

786
00:43:41,917 --> 00:43:43,057
It's, it's pretty crazy.

787
00:43:43,057 --> 00:43:44,257
But it is, it is.

788
00:43:44,257 --> 00:43:48,727
Like what, what Anya's talking
about here is deemed disposal laws.

789
00:43:49,147 --> 00:43:53,587
Um, so when you leave the country, you
have to assess all of your assets, even if

790
00:43:53,587 --> 00:43:58,312
you're not not selling them, and you have
to pay tax on them as if you'd sold them.

791
00:43:58,702 --> 00:44:02,332
So they become a capital events,
capital, uh, gain events.

792
00:44:02,542 --> 00:44:05,392
So your Bitcoin, you establish
what you bought it for, what you,

793
00:44:05,632 --> 00:44:08,752
what it was worth when you exited
and you pay tax on the difference.

794
00:44:09,052 --> 00:44:10,822
So I did all of that to leave Australia.

795
00:44:10,852 --> 00:44:14,872
That's how much I despised the Australian
system, that I was prepared to pay

796
00:44:14,872 --> 00:44:18,472
taxes on all these unrealized profits
so that they can't touch me again.

797
00:44:19,222 --> 00:44:21,232
But now I go to where I'm treated best.

798
00:44:21,232 --> 00:44:23,782
Like Andrew Henderson from
Nomad Capitalist says, go

799
00:44:23,782 --> 00:44:24,892
where you're treated best.

800
00:44:25,252 --> 00:44:26,602
And now I'm a sovereign individual.

801
00:44:26,602 --> 00:44:30,742
My cost of living's through the
floor, my tax is through the floor.

802
00:44:30,982 --> 00:44:33,502
Um, and I live in a place
where people are nice.

803
00:44:34,597 --> 00:44:35,497
Anja: And relaxed.

804
00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:36,337
Adam: And relaxed.

805
00:44:36,337 --> 00:44:39,817
Look, and I like Australia, like I think
Australians when they're at their best

806
00:44:39,817 --> 00:44:41,437
to some of the best people in the world.

807
00:44:41,437 --> 00:44:45,847
But unfortunately, because the
monetary system is broken, we have

808
00:44:45,847 --> 00:44:49,657
a shit government, Australians
are under more pressure than I

809
00:44:49,657 --> 00:44:51,247
can ever remember in my life.

810
00:44:51,277 --> 00:44:54,247
And anybody under pressure
is not their best self.

811
00:44:54,577 --> 00:44:57,997
So when I go home to Australia now,
I see the stress in people's faces.

812
00:44:58,327 --> 00:45:00,307
Um, it, you know, they
can't afford things.

813
00:45:00,307 --> 00:45:02,767
They're just under pressure all the time.

814
00:45:03,217 --> 00:45:06,547
Um, and so that doesn't
make for the best situation.

815
00:45:06,727 --> 00:45:10,357
And of course, I think the other
factor is that a lot of people got

816
00:45:10,357 --> 00:45:14,377
rich by just owning real estate rather
than doing a lot of personal growth.

817
00:45:14,647 --> 00:45:18,937
And I think a degree of arrogance
has crept into Australian, um,

818
00:45:18,967 --> 00:45:22,687
psyche as a result that didn't
used to be there 30 years ago.

819
00:45:22,687 --> 00:45:23,677
We were humble.

820
00:45:23,977 --> 00:45:28,267
Now, you know, so many people have
got, you know, everything because we

821
00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:29,707
were blessed with a real estate boom.

822
00:45:29,707 --> 00:45:30,992
And, you know, so.

823
00:45:32,302 --> 00:45:33,862
Anja: Mm. Yeah.

824
00:45:34,162 --> 00:45:39,322
So do you, do you think there is any
hope for Australia, any hope of reform?

825
00:45:39,412 --> 00:45:41,782
A new government, eh?

826
00:45:42,172 --> 00:45:43,102
Like what would it take?

827
00:45:43,102 --> 00:45:43,282
The only

828
00:45:43,282 --> 00:45:46,672
Adam: time, the only time, Anya,
that we asked this question, we

829
00:45:46,672 --> 00:45:50,062
had an intellectual on our pod
called Ross Cameron, who is on the

830
00:45:50,062 --> 00:45:51,892
outsiders for the A, B, C for years.

831
00:45:52,312 --> 00:45:54,352
Very, very smart Australian.

832
00:45:54,682 --> 00:45:58,252
And we asked this exact question
and he said, I said, what will

833
00:45:58,252 --> 00:46:01,042
it take for Australians to wake
up and for things to change?

834
00:46:01,042 --> 00:46:02,752
He said, rolling power blackouts.

835
00:46:03,712 --> 00:46:05,572
And I was like, oh,
wow, that's interesting.

836
00:46:05,572 --> 00:46:06,412
I didn't see that.

837
00:46:06,862 --> 00:46:11,692
He's like, that's when Australians
life will be actually really disrupted.

838
00:46:11,752 --> 00:46:14,992
Like when their fridges don't
work, there's extended periods

839
00:46:14,992 --> 00:46:16,097
where their power's out.

840
00:46:16,487 --> 00:46:23,272
They're gonna cry for, um, mercy
and, and well, not mercy change.

841
00:46:23,677 --> 00:46:27,787
Um, they'll revolt when it really
interrupts their lives or a banking

842
00:46:27,787 --> 00:46:30,427
collapse, but it's far more likely
we'll have rolled back outs before

843
00:46:30,427 --> 00:46:31,687
banking collapses in Australia.

844
00:46:31,687 --> 00:46:32,077
Probably.

845
00:46:32,557 --> 00:46:38,977
But it's not, you done that in, in short,
it's gonna be pain, like max pain and the

846
00:46:38,977 --> 00:46:43,507
only time it changes when a revolution
happens, and I don't think a revolution's

847
00:46:43,507 --> 00:46:45,457
gonna happen anytime soon in Australia.

848
00:46:45,727 --> 00:46:45,877
Mm-hmm.

849
00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:46,417
Um,

850
00:46:46,747 --> 00:46:53,767
and uh, I believe that this is gonna be
a long, protracted and painful cycle.

851
00:46:54,097 --> 00:46:56,797
I turned 50 a year and a half
ago and I'm like, you know what

852
00:46:56,797 --> 00:46:58,147
people said, oh, you're a deserter.

853
00:46:58,147 --> 00:46:58,837
You left the country.

854
00:46:58,837 --> 00:47:02,167
I'm like, mate, I paid
a lot for my freedom.

855
00:47:02,167 --> 00:47:03,967
I paid a lot of tax when I was there.

856
00:47:04,237 --> 00:47:06,517
I paid all my taxes when I left.

857
00:47:06,787 --> 00:47:07,057
Right.

858
00:47:07,057 --> 00:47:10,867
I paid a lot and so I didn't desert shit.

859
00:47:10,897 --> 00:47:13,177
I'm not there drawing
on your medical system.

860
00:47:13,177 --> 00:47:16,117
I'm not using the little green
card that has Medicare written on.

861
00:47:16,117 --> 00:47:18,487
It's the most expensive card
in any Australian's wallet.

862
00:47:18,847 --> 00:47:19,297
Right.

863
00:47:20,077 --> 00:47:20,442
I don't.

864
00:47:21,697 --> 00:47:26,467
I don't use any of the resources,
and I've decided actively to make the

865
00:47:26,467 --> 00:47:33,247
most of what time I have left in this
life, which is involves opting out of.

866
00:47:33,607 --> 00:47:38,407
I was really active speaking up against
extreme Islam, not against Muslims,

867
00:47:38,587 --> 00:47:41,077
but again, against extreme Islamists.

868
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,807
I was real, I went and
marched in London with Tommy.

869
00:47:43,807 --> 00:47:49,237
I've stopped all of that now because it's
just not optimizing for my mental health.

870
00:47:49,447 --> 00:47:49,747
Anja: Yeah,

871
00:47:49,807 --> 00:47:51,937
Adam: I, you know, I, I get depressed.

872
00:47:52,207 --> 00:47:53,497
It really affects me.

873
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,737
I'm minimizing my
involvement in social media.

874
00:47:57,007 --> 00:47:58,687
I'm building a beautiful home in Bali.

875
00:47:58,687 --> 00:48:00,127
I'm gonna grow some tomatoes.

876
00:48:00,427 --> 00:48:05,467
Um, I'm gonna have slow mornings and
I'm gonna do my very best to be as

877
00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:10,237
conscious as I can and live as an
ethical, as a life as I can and not

878
00:48:10,237 --> 00:48:15,277
get caught in this circus, um, which
is controlled by power and evil men

879
00:48:15,277 --> 00:48:17,437
and women that desire that power.

880
00:48:17,827 --> 00:48:21,877
I just opt out because I'm only here for
maybe a few more decades if I'm lucky.

881
00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,437
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882
00:48:26,977 --> 00:48:31,057
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custody setup needs to be done right.

883
00:48:31,807 --> 00:48:36,307
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884
00:48:36,307 --> 00:48:38,347
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885
00:48:39,217 --> 00:48:42,097
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886
00:48:42,487 --> 00:48:45,877
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887
00:48:46,742 --> 00:48:47,342
Anja: Yeah.

888
00:48:47,402 --> 00:48:53,222
And when you mention that, you know,
there's people that kind of criticize

889
00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:58,292
you for being in desert or have noticed
this interesting dynamic playing out

890
00:48:58,292 --> 00:49:03,182
in Australia quite a bit lately, that
people who are speaking up against the

891
00:49:03,182 --> 00:49:08,912
government or the policies or about
the, the way the economy's run and even

892
00:49:08,912 --> 00:49:11,522
considering leaving or have already left.

893
00:49:11,642 --> 00:49:12,812
Uh, yeah.

894
00:49:12,902 --> 00:49:17,852
Kind of being, um vilified in a way.

895
00:49:18,302 --> 00:49:23,402
And it was interesting i, I had a, a,
a woman called Katie the Russian on,

896
00:49:23,402 --> 00:49:28,052
on my podcast and spoke about like
Plan B passports, which she used to do

897
00:49:28,052 --> 00:49:30,062
for ultra high net worth individuals.

898
00:49:30,062 --> 00:49:32,372
But now you're kind of like, if
you're middle class, if you've got a

899
00:49:32,372 --> 00:49:36,392
million or 5 million, you can start
really considering this as an option.

900
00:49:36,392 --> 00:49:40,892
And even if you don't necessarily have any
intention of moving in the next few years,

901
00:49:41,252 --> 00:49:43,292
having that backup is really important.

902
00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:47,822
Um, but that was the first time
I had someone on that actually

903
00:49:47,882 --> 00:49:50,702
resulted in me losing followers.

904
00:49:51,722 --> 00:49:54,272
And it's, it's saddens me
because I feel like it's such

905
00:49:54,272 --> 00:49:56,792
an important thing to discuss.

906
00:49:56,792 --> 00:50:01,082
Even if you don't agree with it, it's
important to have this discourse.

907
00:50:01,382 --> 00:50:06,512
And this is what again, like some
pe people are so collectivist that

908
00:50:06,512 --> 00:50:11,742
you can't almost say certain things
around them without, you know.

909
00:50:13,397 --> 00:50:14,147
I don't know, like

910
00:50:14,152 --> 00:50:16,547
Adam: their, their weakest piss
is the word you're looking for.

911
00:50:16,637 --> 00:50:16,757
That's,

912
00:50:17,867 --> 00:50:20,177
Anja: that's one weakest piss,
that's one way to put it.

913
00:50:20,177 --> 00:50:24,257
But you know, as someone who has
lived through, you know, what I

914
00:50:24,257 --> 00:50:28,967
did in the nineties, in, in the
breakdown of Yugoslavia, I am

915
00:50:28,967 --> 00:50:30,857
very like pro individual rights.

916
00:50:30,887 --> 00:50:33,527
I want everyone to look after
their own individual interest.

917
00:50:33,827 --> 00:50:39,167
And one thing that I can't unhear after
learning about it, when I spoke to

918
00:50:39,197 --> 00:50:43,907
a guy called Neil Fletcher who wrote
Modern Chains, I learned the concept

919
00:50:43,937 --> 00:50:47,657
of a field slave versus a home slave.

920
00:50:48,107 --> 00:50:55,637
So a home slave would be someone who, um,
perpetuates the cycle of slavery because

921
00:50:55,637 --> 00:51:01,577
they had it good enough and they would
try to keep the field slaves in check

922
00:51:01,577 --> 00:51:06,197
who had much worse working conditions,
even though they were both enslaved.

923
00:51:06,707 --> 00:51:15,482
And that proximity to power gave
them a false sense of, um, stability

924
00:51:16,382 --> 00:51:20,642
that I kind of see this a little bit
in these people who are, you know,

925
00:51:20,672 --> 00:51:23,822
saying like, well, you can't say that
about Australia, or You can't leave.

926
00:51:23,822 --> 00:51:28,112
You need to like stay here and
we must all face the same fate.

927
00:51:28,142 --> 00:51:31,742
Like, no, I know I'm gonna
lose followers for this.

928
00:51:33,002 --> 00:51:36,662
Adam: Anya like, leaving Australia doesn't
diminish your love for the country.

929
00:51:37,052 --> 00:51:37,082
Mm.

930
00:51:37,142 --> 00:51:37,472
Right.

931
00:51:37,472 --> 00:51:39,782
Like, people say to me,
why do you speak up?

932
00:51:39,782 --> 00:51:43,082
Why don't you just shut up because
you are no longer here as if I

933
00:51:43,082 --> 00:51:46,772
don't have a right to speak up
for the country that I love still.

934
00:51:46,802 --> 00:51:47,252
Right?

935
00:51:47,432 --> 00:51:51,092
Like, I'm sure there's a part of you
that loves where you came from still.

936
00:51:51,782 --> 00:51:52,232
Right.

937
00:51:52,562 --> 00:51:57,752
It doesn't, you don't hand in your
right to, to care about a country.

938
00:51:58,112 --> 00:52:00,722
I love the Australia I grew up in.

939
00:52:01,172 --> 00:52:04,352
I love my childhood memories in Australia.

940
00:52:04,352 --> 00:52:08,402
My mom and dad came out on the war after
the war on the, on the As 10 pound poms.

941
00:52:08,402 --> 00:52:11,012
And I'm so grateful that they did.

942
00:52:11,702 --> 00:52:16,622
And the reason I speak up is because
it's so sad to me that it's being lost

943
00:52:17,762 --> 00:52:24,452
at the hands of ambitious power, hungry
evil pieces of shit that are running our

944
00:52:24,452 --> 00:52:29,822
country today that, that, that want to
stay in power more than they wanna provide

945
00:52:29,822 --> 00:52:31,772
for the people that they are charged with.

946
00:52:31,772 --> 00:52:32,702
Caring for.

947
00:52:33,512 --> 00:52:36,242
That to me is evil of the highest order.

948
00:52:36,782 --> 00:52:38,882
And it really pisses me off.

949
00:52:38,882 --> 00:52:42,872
And the, and the, the, the part of
the reason I feel I can say this

950
00:52:42,872 --> 00:52:46,292
more strongly now is 'cause I'm not
there and I'm not in the system now.

951
00:52:46,652 --> 00:52:46,772
Mm-hmm.

952
00:52:46,772 --> 00:52:47,102
I'm not

953
00:52:47,102 --> 00:52:48,032
part of the game.

954
00:52:48,512 --> 00:52:52,982
And so, and, and by stepping outside
of it, you can see things more clearly.

955
00:52:53,012 --> 00:52:57,932
I love Australia, but I love the
Australia, I love the values that we had.

956
00:52:58,262 --> 00:53:02,147
And when I see um, unchecked immigration.

957
00:53:02,447 --> 00:53:07,337
Um, when I see weak policies that are
not pushing back on important things

958
00:53:07,337 --> 00:53:12,437
like the UAE last week announced
that they are banning their citizens.

959
00:53:12,467 --> 00:53:14,807
It's not ban, they're cutting
funding to their citizens.

960
00:53:14,807 --> 00:53:17,267
Normally, if you're a UAE
citizen, you study abroad.

961
00:53:17,507 --> 00:53:19,217
The government will pay for that study.

962
00:53:19,547 --> 00:53:25,877
They cut funding to all UAE citizens going
to the uk to going to UK universities.

963
00:53:26,057 --> 00:53:26,717
Why?

964
00:53:27,017 --> 00:53:30,737
Because they're worried about
them getting radicalized by

965
00:53:30,857 --> 00:53:33,287
radical Islamists in the uk.

966
00:53:33,557 --> 00:53:39,497
This is a Muslim country that is banning
their Muslim citizens from going.

967
00:53:39,617 --> 00:53:46,037
Meanwhile, in Australia, there's outrage
that the council denied an application

968
00:53:46,217 --> 00:53:51,257
for a EMBA mosque to broadcast a call
to prayer across Australian suburbs.

969
00:53:52,172 --> 00:53:52,622
Right.

970
00:53:52,862 --> 00:53:54,632
And it was, oh, we
should accommodate that.

971
00:53:54,902 --> 00:54:01,052
Um, uh, bringing home ISIS brides, you're
talking about the partners of men who

972
00:54:01,052 --> 00:54:07,652
aimed rifles at Australian soldiers and
left Australia to fight the Holy War

973
00:54:07,802 --> 00:54:12,242
and kill us, and then bring them back
home in the plane to live amongst us.

974
00:54:12,632 --> 00:54:14,522
Mm. What the hell is going on?

975
00:54:14,852 --> 00:54:15,152
Right?

976
00:54:15,152 --> 00:54:19,922
That is not protecting the men and
women of Australia that are in uniform

977
00:54:19,922 --> 00:54:21,662
and fighting and dying for our country.

978
00:54:21,662 --> 00:54:23,492
What kind of spit in the face is that?

979
00:54:24,002 --> 00:54:24,242
Mm.

980
00:54:24,902 --> 00:54:25,262
Right.

981
00:54:25,322 --> 00:54:28,142
And it's about time that Australians
started to stand up for that

982
00:54:28,562 --> 00:54:29,762
and it, but I don't see it.

983
00:54:29,852 --> 00:54:34,382
I see this woke lefty
rubbish that's going on.

984
00:54:34,682 --> 00:54:38,882
Constant accommodation and
not enough pushback on, Hey,

985
00:54:39,002 --> 00:54:41,402
this is a Christian country.

986
00:54:41,882 --> 00:54:44,282
If you wanna be in this Christian country.

987
00:54:44,282 --> 00:54:45,482
These are our values.

988
00:54:45,482 --> 00:54:48,392
This is why I spoke up against the
burkas , because the history of

989
00:54:48,392 --> 00:54:49,922
the burka is suppression of women.

990
00:54:50,312 --> 00:54:54,242
It is so that men don't look at women
in a desirous ways in case they do

991
00:54:54,242 --> 00:54:56,972
something, then it's the woman's fault
if they weren't covered in a burka.

992
00:54:57,302 --> 00:55:01,202
Do we as an Australian people
agree with that as a concept?

993
00:55:01,622 --> 00:55:03,332
And if not, why do we allow it?

994
00:55:04,082 --> 00:55:04,442
Right.

995
00:55:04,442 --> 00:55:08,732
And so anyway, that don't get
me started because you see,

996
00:55:08,762 --> 00:55:09,632
I'm getting right up there.

997
00:55:09,632 --> 00:55:11,192
This is what I'm trying to step away from.

998
00:55:11,192 --> 00:55:11,402
I'm getting

999
00:55:11,402 --> 00:55:11,942
Anja: riled up

1000
00:55:12,107 --> 00:55:15,962
Adam: and I'm like, I'm trying to just now
live my life in peace and not get involved

1001
00:55:15,962 --> 00:55:21,032
in this, because I know that I'll just
get, I'll just get hammered by certain

1002
00:55:21,032 --> 00:55:24,692
people and, um, and I just don't care.

1003
00:55:24,752 --> 00:55:27,422
I, I'm just like, all right, I'm
just gonna try and live my life

1004
00:55:27,512 --> 00:55:32,072
peacefully and just, I, I cannot see
common sense in Australia anymore.

1005
00:55:33,917 --> 00:55:39,317
Anja: Yeah, because this ideology makes it
unpopular to say certain things in public.

1006
00:55:39,317 --> 00:55:42,887
And that al also became really
obvious when, you know, with the vo,

1007
00:55:43,397 --> 00:55:45,227
sorry, with the vote of the voice.

1008
00:55:45,227 --> 00:55:48,377
Most people voted against
it yet on LinkedIn.

1009
00:55:48,917 --> 00:55:54,737
Um, people that were talking about it
with Provo, and then the results come

1010
00:55:54,737 --> 00:55:59,417
out and it's like, you know, there's
a silent majority that feels like if

1011
00:55:59,417 --> 00:56:04,247
they say something, they'll be placed
in a box as being right wing or extreme

1012
00:56:04,247 --> 00:56:07,727
or racist or this and that, and people
just don't wanna deal with the label.

1013
00:56:08,177 --> 00:56:11,477
Um, it's almost like you can't
have a nuanced discussion about

1014
00:56:11,477 --> 00:56:13,307
things anymore, and it's just yeah.

1015
00:56:13,307 --> 00:56:14,417
Really frustrating.

1016
00:56:14,837 --> 00:56:17,567
Um, but yes, I agree.

1017
00:56:17,567 --> 00:56:22,727
We, this has been a very, a
very like, intense conversation.

1018
00:56:23,087 --> 00:56:23,747
Um.

1019
00:56:24,182 --> 00:56:28,377
And yeah, I, I felt myself getting
a little bit spicy before as well

1020
00:56:28,767 --> 00:56:29,847
when I was talking about elbow.

1021
00:56:29,852 --> 00:56:30,042
You

1022
00:56:30,042 --> 00:56:32,697
Adam: won't, you won't, you, you're
not gonna lose followers here.

1023
00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:34,527
You're gonna lose the wrong followers.

1024
00:56:34,527 --> 00:56:37,797
But when you have your voice,
you're gonna gain your new

1025
00:56:37,797 --> 00:56:39,357
audience that will agree with you.

1026
00:56:39,717 --> 00:56:43,257
So I've had this on my journey to a
hundred thousand followers on Instagram.

1027
00:56:43,257 --> 00:56:43,917
They're all real.

1028
00:56:43,917 --> 00:56:45,357
I haven't bought followers at any point.

1029
00:56:45,837 --> 00:56:50,127
Um, you know, I lost people at
certain points, but then I added,

1030
00:56:50,517 --> 00:56:54,717
you know, two for everyone I lost
when I started speaking up of the

1031
00:56:54,717 --> 00:56:57,237
silent majority who were like, no.

1032
00:56:57,267 --> 00:56:59,637
So, so don't ever be afraid
to speak your truth on you.

1033
00:56:59,637 --> 00:57:01,467
And if you disagree with me,
I could still sit and have a

1034
00:57:01,467 --> 00:57:03,117
civil discourse with you, right?

1035
00:57:03,687 --> 00:57:04,857
So just keep doing what you're doing.

1036
00:57:04,887 --> 00:57:08,247
'cause I agreed to come on your
pod because this actually matters.

1037
00:57:08,637 --> 00:57:10,527
You know, you never know
who this will reach.

1038
00:57:10,527 --> 00:57:12,627
And so keep doing what you're doing.

1039
00:57:12,627 --> 00:57:15,447
This is grassroots
advocacy for your nation.

1040
00:57:16,967 --> 00:57:17,447
Anja: Thank you.

1041
00:57:17,447 --> 00:57:18,017
I will.

1042
00:57:18,017 --> 00:57:18,437
Thank you.

1043
00:57:18,437 --> 00:57:20,297
That was really kind of you to say.

1044
00:57:20,777 --> 00:57:24,347
Um, but yeah, now I just
thought maybe we'll pivot to

1045
00:57:24,347 --> 00:57:28,247
something positive or, or yeah.

1046
00:57:28,247 --> 00:57:32,927
There's a lot of, um, crazy things
going on in the world with Venezuela,

1047
00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:40,607
with Iran, with the DOJ coming after
Jerome Powell and that chair position,

1048
00:57:40,847 --> 00:57:43,337
you know, being up for nomination soon.

1049
00:57:44,567 --> 00:57:50,717
It's just a lot of, um, a lot of
uncertainty and yeah, it'll be

1050
00:57:50,717 --> 00:57:52,127
interesting to see where I end up.

1051
00:57:52,337 --> 00:57:53,087
Adam: How you, okay.

1052
00:57:54,287 --> 00:57:54,527
Anja: No,

1053
00:57:56,627 --> 00:57:57,707
no, no.

1054
00:57:57,767 --> 00:58:01,637
Like I, yeah, it's, there was a
post that you had on Instagram

1055
00:58:01,637 --> 00:58:06,767
that I really related to, um, a
few days ago, maybe a week ago now.

1056
00:58:06,797 --> 00:58:10,367
Um, where you feeling like
you really wanna slow down?

1057
00:58:11,627 --> 00:58:16,877
And yeah, I weirdly feel burnt out from
last year, and I feel like this year

1058
00:58:16,877 --> 00:58:18,947
I haven't even had a bit of a reset.

1059
00:58:19,247 --> 00:58:21,137
And I'm not that busy.

1060
00:58:21,137 --> 00:58:24,797
There's not that much going on, but I
think it's because I'm so involved in

1061
00:58:24,797 --> 00:58:29,477
politics and news and things that I think
that's what's draining me at the moment.

1062
00:58:30,077 --> 00:58:30,827
So

1063
00:58:31,312 --> 00:58:35,027
Adam: I, I don't know you Anya, but I'm
just looking at you and I, I wanna send

1064
00:58:35,027 --> 00:58:41,567
you a big hug because, um, I, I can
see in your face how I felt last year.

1065
00:58:41,567 --> 00:58:41,657
Mm-hmm.

1066
00:58:41,717 --> 00:58:48,977
Like, in all honesty, I was at my wit's
end and I just, um, I didn't know whether

1067
00:58:48,977 --> 00:58:51,407
to laugh or cry, but I was exhausted.

1068
00:58:51,857 --> 00:58:55,877
Um, but what I would recommend is
just step away from the news cycle

1069
00:58:55,877 --> 00:58:57,677
for a minute and go touch some grass.

1070
00:58:58,277 --> 00:59:01,487
Get yourself in nature because
it's really, really depressing.

1071
00:59:01,967 --> 00:59:07,007
Um, and, uh, it can really consume
your soul and not just for you,

1072
00:59:07,007 --> 00:59:11,387
Anya, for anybody listening to
this, both of us, Anya's a great

1073
00:59:11,387 --> 00:59:13,637
teacher because she's sensitive.

1074
00:59:14,057 --> 00:59:17,387
And these days it's like people
criticize you like you're too

1075
00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:18,647
soft or you're too sensitive.

1076
00:59:18,647 --> 00:59:20,777
But the best teachers should be sensitive.

1077
00:59:20,777 --> 00:59:23,267
The best leaders should be sensitive.

1078
00:59:23,597 --> 00:59:24,497
That's not weak.

1079
00:59:24,527 --> 00:59:27,407
It's strong, but at times it's hard.

1080
00:59:27,947 --> 00:59:31,097
So I just, I just want to see
you and anybody else listening

1081
00:59:31,127 --> 00:59:33,317
who's feeling that way.

1082
00:59:33,347 --> 00:59:34,217
I want to know that you are.

1083
00:59:34,397 --> 00:59:37,097
I want you to know that you
are seen and appreciated for

1084
00:59:37,097 --> 00:59:37,907
the work that you're doing.

1085
00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:41,897
And it's not easy to give a shit
and to speak up, but just go

1086
00:59:41,897 --> 00:59:43,157
touch some grass on your hug.

1087
00:59:43,157 --> 00:59:43,577
A tree real?

1088
00:59:45,377 --> 00:59:49,067
Yeah, just get away, get away from the
microphone and get away from the speakers

1089
00:59:49,067 --> 00:59:50,597
and the phones and all that shit.

1090
00:59:51,137 --> 00:59:54,107
'cause it is designed to rile
you up and make you angry.

1091
00:59:54,467 --> 00:59:57,227
And the net loss
beneficiary of that is you.

1092
00:59:57,227 --> 01:00:01,757
So, you know, there is lots of beautiful,
good things going on in the world as well.

1093
01:00:02,567 --> 01:00:03,467
Anja: Absolutely.

1094
01:00:03,947 --> 01:00:08,597
And on that note, one of the things that
I'm really passionate about is education.

1095
01:00:08,657 --> 01:00:12,287
I always advocate for people
to learn about Bitcoin.

1096
01:00:12,287 --> 01:00:16,247
Don't just buy it without understanding
what it is that you are getting.

1097
01:00:16,697 --> 01:00:20,777
Um, but do you have recommendations
other than obviously the, uh, the Bitcoin

1098
01:00:20,777 --> 01:00:24,707
standard, which you've already mentioned,
like where should be people be starting

1099
01:00:24,707 --> 01:00:26,507
if they wanna embark on this journey?

1100
01:00:26,627 --> 01:00:30,407
Adam: So, as we sort of alluded to
it throughout this podcast, Bitcoin

1101
01:00:30,407 --> 01:00:33,797
has many vectors to the story, right?

1102
01:00:34,187 --> 01:00:38,117
There's the social conscience
and the spirituality of Bitcoin.

1103
01:00:38,597 --> 01:00:40,037
I love that side of it, right?

1104
01:00:40,067 --> 01:00:41,327
You love that side of it.

1105
01:00:41,657 --> 01:00:45,527
If that's you, if you are the kind of
person that likes to make money, but

1106
01:00:45,527 --> 01:00:47,507
also it kind of matters to you that.

1107
01:00:47,987 --> 01:00:50,207
You want to do good and you
wanna understand the moral.

1108
01:00:50,207 --> 01:00:53,057
And I think everybody should have
that in them because when times get

1109
01:00:53,057 --> 01:00:54,467
hard, it helps with the conviction.

1110
01:00:55,127 --> 01:01:00,317
I think a really magic book for that is
called The Tao of Bitcoin, which is TAO,

1111
01:01:00,317 --> 01:01:02,777
the Dao of Bitcoin as in the Dao de ching.

1112
01:01:03,257 --> 01:01:06,857
And it's a book that reveals the
similarities and alignments between

1113
01:01:06,857 --> 01:01:10,067
Bitcoin and the Dao, which is one of
the most sacred books ever written.

1114
01:01:10,487 --> 01:01:14,117
Um, beautiful, beautiful book, um, that
I learned about through Wayne Dyer.

1115
01:01:14,927 --> 01:01:16,487
So read the Dao of Bitcoin.

1116
01:01:16,877 --> 01:01:22,487
Uh, the Bitcoin standard is for just
hardcore analytics, understanding

1117
01:01:22,487 --> 01:01:28,097
why Bitcoin is superior money, why
it is superior savings technology,

1118
01:01:28,697 --> 01:01:33,917
um, and the big print by Larry Lapard
that's talks about the, uh, why

1119
01:01:34,067 --> 01:01:38,837
Bitcoin is the ultimate hedge against,
uh, fiat money, which is, um, just

1120
01:01:38,837 --> 01:01:40,847
printed and made up out of thin air.

1121
01:01:41,267 --> 01:01:44,447
And then of course there's a
whole range of Bitcoin vo voices

1122
01:01:44,447 --> 01:01:45,857
I think that you should listen to.

1123
01:01:46,397 --> 01:01:46,757
Um.

1124
01:01:47,522 --> 01:01:51,272
Jeff Booth, Michael Sailor, you
know, all the usual suspects.

1125
01:01:51,272 --> 01:01:55,472
Just start watching them and
YouTube will start serving to you.

1126
01:01:55,592 --> 01:01:56,372
Uh, people like that.

1127
01:01:56,372 --> 01:01:59,642
Adam Livingston is a new voice that
not a lot of people haven't heard yet,

1128
01:01:59,642 --> 01:02:04,082
but Adam Livingston is phenomenal,
particularly if you're a younger person.

1129
01:02:04,502 --> 01:02:08,702
Um, he is a former world champion debater.

1130
01:02:09,152 --> 01:02:11,252
Uh, he has a brain, like a steel trap.

1131
01:02:11,252 --> 01:02:14,762
Like I listen to the guy and I
just feel dumb that he's funny and

1132
01:02:14,762 --> 01:02:16,952
he's smart and he's successful.

1133
01:02:17,402 --> 01:02:21,662
So yeah, listen to those and if
you can get along to a Bitcoin

1134
01:02:21,722 --> 01:02:23,522
event, the bigger the better.

1135
01:02:23,552 --> 01:02:26,912
So one of the best events I went
to is Prague, but they have Bitcoin

1136
01:02:26,912 --> 01:02:29,042
in Las Vegas, Bitcoin and Prague.

1137
01:02:29,647 --> 01:02:33,257
Bitcoin in Sydney, I think it's
called, um, Bitcoin life or something.

1138
01:02:33,647 --> 01:02:33,737
Mm-hmm.

1139
01:02:33,977 --> 01:02:38,357
Get into a room full of Bitcoiners and
it will forever change you because you'll

1140
01:02:38,357 --> 01:02:40,517
turn up and you go, these are my people.

1141
01:02:40,547 --> 01:02:40,907
Right.

1142
01:02:40,907 --> 01:02:41,987
These are my people.

1143
01:02:42,377 --> 01:02:45,167
They're morals, they're intelligent.

1144
01:02:45,617 --> 01:02:47,417
Um, they're rebels.

1145
01:02:47,687 --> 01:02:48,917
If that's your jam.

1146
01:02:49,547 --> 01:02:51,857
Uh, and a lot of 'em are
rich, so get around them.

1147
01:02:52,817 --> 01:02:53,327
Anja: Yeah.

1148
01:02:53,537 --> 01:02:54,287
I love that.

1149
01:02:54,287 --> 01:02:57,407
And this is, this is what I love
about Bitcoin is in Australia.

1150
01:02:57,407 --> 01:03:00,347
Like quite often when I go to these
meetups, there's people that are

1151
01:03:00,767 --> 01:03:04,247
quite wealthy in the room, but you
would never tell because they're so

1152
01:03:04,247 --> 01:03:06,167
humble, they're so down to earth.

1153
01:03:08,177 --> 01:03:11,897
You know, I can have a better conversation
with a Bitcoin boomer than I can

1154
01:03:11,897 --> 01:03:14,057
someone my age out in the street.

1155
01:03:14,057 --> 01:03:17,057
You know, like there's just,
there's just that alignment there.

1156
01:03:18,287 --> 01:03:18,617
Yeah.

1157
01:03:18,617 --> 01:03:20,987
But thank you so much
for coming on the show.

1158
01:03:20,987 --> 01:03:22,187
I love to have you on.

1159
01:03:22,577 --> 01:03:24,347
Um, yeah, it's been amazing.

1160
01:03:25,112 --> 01:03:25,682
Adam: My pleasure.

1161
01:03:25,682 --> 01:03:28,772
Let me know when it's out and I'll,
um, share it on my socials for you and,

1162
01:03:28,772 --> 01:03:30,272
and try and help you channel along.

1163
01:03:31,412 --> 01:03:31,472
Anja: Yay.

1164
01:03:31,472 --> 01:03:32,432
Thank you so much.

1165
01:03:32,432 --> 01:03:32,822
Adam: Pleasure.

1166
01:03:33,062 --> 01:03:33,542
Cheers.

1167
01:03:33,782 --> 01:03:36,272
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1168
01:03:36,752 --> 01:03:39,392
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1169
01:03:39,752 --> 01:03:43,472
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1170
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1171
01:03:46,232 --> 01:03:48,272
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1172
01:03:48,662 --> 01:03:50,012
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1173
01:03:50,312 --> 01:03:51,542
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1174
01:03:51,652 --> 01:03:56,932
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1175
01:03:57,982 --> 01:04:02,812
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