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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody walking to the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, let's let's do our best today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Jeff, When I woke up, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, my goal was to do mediocre.

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<v Speaker 3>Mediocre.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but now that you've said that, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>strive to do my best.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get in there, give it your best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll tell you what now now wait for buckle

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<v Speaker 1>up guys. Amazing, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey. I always make that joke when I'm at church.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been pastors as long as you have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just about the same amount of time. And

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<v Speaker 1>people come in and they'll go, hey, I brought my

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<v Speaker 1>friend today, so you better be good. And I'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, oh my goodness. I'm like, I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 1>you said that. I was shooting for mediocrity today. But

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to really kick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>In nots.

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<v Speaker 3>I was walking through the green room a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago and it was between we have to do

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<v Speaker 3>four identical services on Sunday morning. Yeah, right, So eight thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>ten thirty and one, because our auditorium has like seven

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty seats, so we need we need more space,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we do four services. So I was walking

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<v Speaker 3>into the green room between our third and fourth service

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the band was back there. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, we got one more service, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>this time I'm going to do the best I can

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<v Speaker 3>at it. And they're like, well it's about time, right buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, okay, Well, hey, today's we're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>the best we can. And hey, here's a fun segment.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we had that visiting church that came from

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago and really good church. Yeah, just a partner, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew you, and they were just coming just to trade

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<v Speaker 1>best practices, right, And two of the guys pulled me

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<v Speaker 1>aside and they said, do you really do four services

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<v Speaker 1>in a row? And I said, yeah, we do every Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes, that sounds exhausting, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, it's tired, it's a lot. And then my

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<v Speaker 3>wife and I host a small group for young adults

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<v Speaker 3>right now on Sunday evenings.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Sunday evenings.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, being five, bro, I didn't know your.

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<v Speaker 2>Small group of Sunday evenings. Oh i'd want to jump.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, it's great though, we love it. So today our

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<v Speaker 3>segment is stump the pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>Stump the pastor, which people.

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<v Speaker 3>Get excited about that segment. But let's just be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not very hard to stump us, right right. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just thinking, like, what would the I answer usually

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<v Speaker 3>as we don't know I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, what would the jingle be for stump

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<v Speaker 2>the pastor the pastor Stump stomp, stump, Stump the pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something like from the w W E or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe so yeah, well, I mean, let's let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm responding to what you just said, most stumped the

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<v Speaker 1>pastor answers and with I don't nobody knows. Because that's

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<v Speaker 1>why this one, that's why it's a stump question. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this this one's has an answer.

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<v Speaker 3>You want me to read it and you answer it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, here we go tackle it.

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<v Speaker 3>I often hear people, even pastors, pull one verse out

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<v Speaker 3>of the Bible and apply it universally when in context,

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<v Speaker 3>the verse was responding to a specific circumstance or event.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's an example. Jeremiah twenty nine to eleven. If I

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<v Speaker 3>know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord

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<v Speaker 3>plans to prosper You're not the harm of your plans

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<v Speaker 3>to give you hope in the future. This verse was

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<v Speaker 3>spoken by Jeremiah to the people of Israel when they

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<v Speaker 3>were exiled. What are your thoughts? Can these verses be

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<v Speaker 3>applied universally or is it just speaking to the individual

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<v Speaker 3>group in exile? And that's from Paul c.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Paul cy Hey, paulsy what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question, really good question.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's a question about context.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, think about it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me We're happy to take everything up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me do this, let me do this Jesus style.

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<v Speaker 1>I answered the question with a question, okay, which is so,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't that apply to everything? For instance, in the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus would be just teaching crowds and he would say,

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<v Speaker 1>blessed are.

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<v Speaker 2>The poor, right, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that you could ask the question and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>is he meaning just the poor of that community, or

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<v Speaker 1>was he meaning the poor for all time, right, blessed

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<v Speaker 1>of the meek, blessed of the humble.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you if you take, for instance, like

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<v Speaker 1>First Corinthians, and you know, here's Paul writing to the

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<v Speaker 1>Church of corinth because he's you know, sort of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say rebuking, but he's sort of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to solve problems. Is that a better way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's problem solving and these are specific problems of that church.

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<v Speaker 2>In that city, and yet he gives all these truths.

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<v Speaker 1>And if not careful, what you could say is, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't written to me. That was written to those

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<v Speaker 1>guys for a specific reason. Right, So technically you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably apply that to most of, if not almost exclusively,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's true. So there's the question about context, I

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<v Speaker 3>think is very important because cults get built off of

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<v Speaker 3>people taking Bible versus words out of context.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's like the story of the guy that was

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<v Speaker 3>so upset and was miserable and he's just looking for

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<v Speaker 3>a sign from God and he says, God, just show

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<v Speaker 3>me sign. He flips the Bible open and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>and Judas went out and hanged himself, right, and he

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<v Speaker 3>slammed the book and he goes, no, no, no, no, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the one. Whatever you say to do, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>do that. He flipped the Bible back open and they said,

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<v Speaker 3>go and do that likewise. Right. So, if you just

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<v Speaker 3>take a phrase, you can make the Bible say almost

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<v Speaker 3>anything you want to say. So context is extremely important.

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<v Speaker 3>So Paul is correct that Jeremiah is writing to the

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<v Speaker 3>exiled Israelites and saying God is saying, hey, listen, Judgment's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to stay with you forever. I know the

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<v Speaker 3>plans I have. My plans are coming to an end

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<v Speaker 3>with regard to the exile. I'm going to prosper you again.

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<v Speaker 3>Right that that's what we're saying. So there's the context

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<v Speaker 3>of it is the direct thing, so there are the

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<v Speaker 3>meaning of it, the direct meaning, and that's important to

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<v Speaker 3>understand the history, the story stuff. There are also general

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<v Speaker 3>principles that we can take from the Bible. And so

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<v Speaker 3>while the direct promise is to the people of Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>the principle is God is sovereign, He's in control. The

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<v Speaker 3>principle is that God's character is good, that God genuinely

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<v Speaker 3>loves his people, even when his people are in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of discipline, and that we can trust that His

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<v Speaker 3>plans are not always evil plans or terrible plans for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Now judgment may be coming, we may be in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of judgment now, but his mercies do and endure

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<v Speaker 3>forever that he does plan to extend his mercy to us.

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<v Speaker 3>So the principle we can apply even while the promise

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't written directly to us, so you can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Inspired by it, right, especially when the verse describes the

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics of who God is, because God is the saying

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday to in forever. So when he says, God's desire

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<v Speaker 1>is never to harm you, but to prosper you. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is true about God, which is applicable for you

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<v Speaker 1>and for me because it is a principle of describing God.

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<v Speaker 1>So oftentimes you know when Paul, for instance, in the

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament, who wrote almost half of the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>when he writes things down that are rules to follow

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<v Speaker 1>for the Corinthian Church or the you know Church in Ephesis,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Church and PHILIPI, or whatever it is, we

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<v Speaker 1>can say, well, these are general principles of how the

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<v Speaker 1>church should love one another or forgive or behave or

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<v Speaker 1>submit to one another, or or act in humility, or

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<v Speaker 1>help one another or encourage one another.

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<v Speaker 2>These are general principles to.

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<v Speaker 1>Describe how Paul is saying, this is how the church

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<v Speaker 1>should act, And yes it is to that church, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is a general principle that describes how the church

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, there are definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Any promise that describes the character of God or God's

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<v Speaker 1>intent or God's.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, what He's committed to is definitely transferable to you

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<v Speaker 1>and to me today.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Bible is really clear that Jesus is the

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<v Speaker 3>same yesterday, today and forever yep. Right, So it's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he only meant his mercy and his kindness and his

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<v Speaker 3>goodness was only in that moment, right, And so this

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<v Speaker 3>is why we have there's so many passages in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Romans fifteen four says that everything was written in the

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<v Speaker 3>past was written to teach us. Right, that's really powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>First Corinthians chapter ten says, these things occurred as examples

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<v Speaker 3>to us. Right. First Corinthians chapter eleven, these things happened

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<v Speaker 3>to them as examples, and we're written down as warnings

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<v Speaker 3>for us, right. Two Timothy chapter three, verse sixteen. All scripture.

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<v Speaker 3>All scripture is God breath and is useful, useful for teaching,

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<v Speaker 3>for rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the

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<v Speaker 3>servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good word. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So that included the Old Testament Hebrews ten. The Law

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<v Speaker 3>is a shadow of the good things that are coming. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So all the Old Testament was just a shadow of

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<v Speaker 3>what was coming. So if God said something good in

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<v Speaker 3>the Old Testament, that's just a shadow of even what's

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<v Speaker 3>better coming through Christ. Right, that's what's talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>entire Hebrews chapter eleven recounts the heroes of the faith

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<v Speaker 3>that examples examples for new believers in the Christian era. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Jesus even said I didn't come to get

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<v Speaker 2>I came to fulfill it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so all of these these passages are are reminding

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<v Speaker 3>us that some people would want to say, let me

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<v Speaker 3>say it this way. Some people want to say, dismiss

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<v Speaker 3>the Old Testament. It doesn't mean anything to you. Quit

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<v Speaker 3>taking things out of context. I would look at a

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<v Speaker 3>passage like Jeremiah chapter twenty nine eleven, and while I

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<v Speaker 3>know that that promise is not to me that God's

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<v Speaker 3>going to make me rich today. Right, I can look

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<v Speaker 3>at that as a promise that God is always good

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<v Speaker 3>And if you read the next passage or the next verses,

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<v Speaker 3>he says, if you seek me with all your heart,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll find me. That's a principle that's true to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was written He spoke that to the Israelites,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's actually amazing the number of verses in the

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<v Speaker 1>are just so many more that say that this scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that's no different than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>God will use wicked caesars and rulers and kings to

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have the Bible, which is by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>all time, of all time, right, it's not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been translated into almost every language.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is great.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and so it's endured, it survived, and so

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<v Speaker 1>and it's incredible. And the books that are in here

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<v Speaker 3>So to summarize it, the specific statements are there's always context,

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<v Speaker 3>principles that can always be applied. Another summary for what

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<v Speaker 3>you said. In Exodus chapter twenty, God says don't kill.

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<v Speaker 3>He's saying it specifically to the Israelites, right, But you

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<v Speaker 3>and I can take the general principle that God's expecting

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<v Speaker 3>us to honor life and not be killing murdering people. Right. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>represent speaking directly to Israel and the tank commandment. So

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<v Speaker 3>those those kite tablets weren't for you and me. They

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<v Speaker 3>were for the Israelites. But the principle is God expects

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<v Speaker 3>us to be holy in our marriages, right, and so and.

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<v Speaker 1>We look at the intent of everything that God said

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<v Speaker 2>So that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really really good question, Paul. Ye, great question, Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>So context is important. You can apply principles even as

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the context. So I think that's super great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. And speaking of great, you know it's

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<v Speaker 3>And and and you know what else isn't great?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we do it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know what else isn't great? But Judah's

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<v Speaker 3>Doing the second king So we're in Isaiah chapter one today.

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<v Speaker 3>Over, So we moved out of order just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason being Israel winds up going into Judgment first,

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<v Speaker 3>in exile first, even though the beginning of Isaiah Isaiah's

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<v Speaker 3>warning Judah, but Judah winds up going into exile second.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because Israel, the Northern Kingdom, was way out ahead

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time that they were wandering from God. But

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<v Speaker 3>they also are going in the same direction. So in

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<v Speaker 3>Isaiah chapter one, it says, these are the visions that Isaiah,

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<v Speaker 3>these visions during the years when Usiah, Jotham, ah Has

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<v Speaker 3>and Iszekiah were kings of Judah. Listen, o heavens, pay

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<v Speaker 3>children are raised and cared for have rebelled against me.

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<v Speaker 3>Even an ox knows its honor, its owner, and a

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<v Speaker 3>donkey recognized it's master's care. But Israel doesn't know it's master.

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<v Speaker 3>He's calling the donkeys. You call it dumb ox, dumbas

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<v Speaker 3>and ox. Right, yeah, and then I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>say the other word for donkey, but you're thinking it.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't recognize my care for them. Oh what a

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<v Speaker 3>They're evil people, corrupt children who've rejected the Lord. They've

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<v Speaker 3>on him. Why do you continue to invite punishment? Must

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<v Speaker 3>Foreigners plunder your fields before your eyes and destroy everything

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<v Speaker 3>If the Lord of Heaven's armies had not spared a

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<v Speaker 3>few of us, we would have been wiped out like

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<v Speaker 3>Sodom and destroyed like Gomorah. Listen to the Lord, you

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<v Speaker 3>leaders of Sodom, quote unquote, listen to the Lord, our God,

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<v Speaker 3>people of quote unquote Gomorrah. What makes you think I

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<v Speaker 3>want all your sacrifices, Sayslord. I'm sick of your burnt

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<v Speaker 3>offerings of rams and the fat of fat and cattle.

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<v Speaker 3>I get no pleasure from the blood of bulls and

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<v Speaker 3>who asks you to parade through my courts with all

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<v Speaker 3>of your offerings disgusts me, as for your celebrations of

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<v Speaker 3>the new Moon and the Sabbath, and your special days

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<v Speaker 3>for fasting. They're all sinful and faults. I want no

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<v Speaker 3>more of your pious meetings. I hate your new moon

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<v Speaker 3>celebrations and your annual festivals. They're a burden to me.

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<v Speaker 3>God stand them. When you lift up your hands in prayer,

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<v Speaker 3>I will not look. So you offer many prayers, I

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<v Speaker 3>will not listen, for your hands are covered with the

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<v Speaker 3>blood of innocent victims. Wash yourselves and be clean. Get

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<v Speaker 3>your sins out of my sight. Give up your evil

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<v Speaker 3>let's settle this, says the Lord. Though your sins are

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<v Speaker 3>like scarlett, I'll make them as white as snow. Though

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<v Speaker 3>they are red like crimson, I will make them as

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<v Speaker 3>have plenty to eat. But if you turn away and

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<v Speaker 3>refuse to listen, you will be devoured by the sword

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<v Speaker 3>of your enemies. I, the Lord have spoken, Wow, there

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<v Speaker 3>you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a way to end that chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>I the Lord have spoken, Yeah, I remember yesterday I said.

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<v Speaker 2>So let it be written.

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<v Speaker 3>So let it be done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so Isaiah is it's it's just a wonderful book.

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<v Speaker 3>And poetic in the way he writes it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very poetic. It is. It's almost like it's

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<v Speaker 1>He he refers to Sodom and Gomorrah and quotes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he talks about, well, I mean, this is God's saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he says, I'm sick of your meaningless gifts. The

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<v Speaker 1>incense and your offerings disgust me, and just goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, you know, all the things that you do,

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<v Speaker 1>the offer the incense, the offerings, the Fatti calf, all

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<v Speaker 1>those things. And that's the part that actually stands out

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I mean, well, the crimson wool, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>White as now. That's obviously the key verse there.

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<v Speaker 1>But besides that, this, this, this is the part that

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<v Speaker 3>Stop bringing your offerings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Did David say, you don't desire sacrifice or else I

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<v Speaker 1>would bring it right? You don't want you want to

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<v Speaker 1>burn offerings?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you say? Psalm fifty one?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, for the offerings that you want, or a

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<v Speaker 1>broken heart, a broken in contract heart, Oh God, these

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<v Speaker 1>things you will not despise Versus sixteen and seventeen. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what David is saying. David saying like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>So and.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think of like people who played church, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really honoring God. So a lot of our churches,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you've ever had a bad church experience,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really the people who are our age and above,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it right, that are classified as people who had

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<v Speaker 1>like a bad church experience and they've walked away from God.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, for instance, the new generation coming up, those

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<v Speaker 1>who are twenty something, they've just had no church experience,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying is a lot of people of our generation and older,

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<v Speaker 1>they were involved in church, but then they walked away

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<v Speaker 1>from church because they had a bad church experience. They

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<v Speaker 1>could be classified as that, right, that was the will

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<v Speaker 1>of model.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and oh I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, most of the people that had so Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying is like the Boomers and the gen Xers, yeap,

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<v Speaker 3>many of them them left church either because for a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of reasons, but left kind of mad at the church. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>some because of abuses within the church, some because they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't like all the rules and regulations. And usually that

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<v Speaker 3>showing up on a Sunday morning on occasion and not

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<v Speaker 3>in the Word, and so on the surface, if you

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<v Speaker 3>just open the Bible and you see don't do this

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<v Speaker 3>and don't do that, all of a sudden you're like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>thing people, you know, forcing it down our throats, but

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<v Speaker 3>again misapplying scripture or whatever. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And in the ur now the church is up

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<v Speaker 2>this game leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, There's still a lot of sin, there's still a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of abuse from different Christians, just like there is

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<v Speaker 3>in every area of society, school teachers and government officials,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can just go on down the line. There's

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<v Speaker 3>really good ones and really bad ones, right, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>the same within the church. So I think people can

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<v Speaker 3>still be hurt today. But I think that that giant

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<v Speaker 3>exodus from the church back in the seventies and eighties

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<v Speaker 3>was mostly built around the fact that people quit faking it. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>They were hurt because there were a lot of fake Christians,

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<v Speaker 3>And now people quit faking more because society doesn't put

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<v Speaker 3>pressure I need to go to church. If you wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to open a good bakery in town, you better be

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<v Speaker 3>in church. If you wanted to be a real estate person,

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<v Speaker 3>you better be in church. That's the way it used

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<v Speaker 3>to be, right, and now in society it's not that way.

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<v Speaker 3>So way fewer people are faking it, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that as a result of that, there's way fewer young

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<v Speaker 3>people growing up with a frustration with a mom and

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<v Speaker 3>dad acting like Jesus on Sunday and being fake the

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<v Speaker 3>whole rest of the week. That's sure a good point,

447
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<v Speaker 3>right that whereas today now the young people are they

448
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<v Speaker 3>didn't grow up in church at all. Right, and so

449
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<v Speaker 3>maybe their frustration is optics because it's something they saw

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<v Speaker 3>on TikTok about what they think Christians are, but they

451
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<v Speaker 3>don't really know because they haven't been a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they're going to have an opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know, if you watch enough tiktoks,

454
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<v Speaker 3>you're going to develop opinion. So there's a spiritual awakening

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<v Speaker 3>I think happening in the current young younger generations where

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<v Speaker 3>for a while they threw off everything that appeared to

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<v Speaker 3>be religious because professors told them too, or because TikTok did,

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<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, they start hitting this

459
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<v Speaker 3>wall where secularism hasn't worked, humanism hasn't worked, building a

460
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<v Speaker 3>religion around myself hasn't worked, and my own thing, and

461
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<v Speaker 3>they're looking for real truth and hope because now they've

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<v Speaker 3>piled up all the sins and the guilt that goes

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<v Speaker 3>with that. Now they're looking for help and hope and

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<v Speaker 3>they're finding it in Jesus. And so yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>new opportunity in this current generation. But yeah, anyways, I'm sorry,

466
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<v Speaker 3>I was having our time understanding what you were saying. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I get it now, what.

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<v Speaker 1>You said was money because you said, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>decided to stop faking it. And that's really what Isaiah saying.

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<v Speaker 1>He's saying, like, I don't want your burn offerings. They're

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<v Speaker 1>all fake because you're not obeying. You're not really truly

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<v Speaker 1>giving me your hearts. You know, you're not truly following me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just going through the religious motions, right, and well.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a great note here for that passage in the

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<v Speaker 3>Life of Kish Stuffy says God was unhappy with their sacrifices,

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<v Speaker 3>but he wasn't revoking the system of sacrifices that he'd

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<v Speaker 3>initiated with Moses. Instead, God was calling for sincere faith

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<v Speaker 3>and devotion. The leaders were carefully making the traditional sacrifices

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<v Speaker 3>and offerings, the holy celebrations, so it was just ceremony, right,

480
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<v Speaker 3>But they were still unfaithful to God in their hearts.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacrifices were supposed to be an outward sign of their

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<v Speaker 3>faith in God, but the outward signs became empty because

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<v Speaker 3>no faith existed inside. Right, Why then did they continue

484
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<v Speaker 3>to offer sacrifices Like many people today, they had come

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<v Speaker 3>to a place more faith in the rituals of their

486
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<v Speaker 3>religion than in the God that they worshiped. Imagine your

487
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<v Speaker 3>own worship experience. Is it just entertainment as you enjoy

488
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<v Speaker 3>the music and go along with what others do, or

489
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<v Speaker 3>is it genuine how heartfelt praise to God. God does

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<v Speaker 3>not take pleasure in our outward expressions if our inward

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<v Speaker 3>faith is missing. That's really what he's saying there. So

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't throwing away his sacrificial system. He was just saying,

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<v Speaker 3>it's only supposed to be an outward expression. What's on

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<v Speaker 3>the inside, that's right, And you're fake on the inside,

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't even want what's on the outside, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, inside out, not outside in.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what's interesting is so many times this

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<v Speaker 1>verse Isaiah one eighteen is quoted, Come now, let's settle this,

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<v Speaker 1>says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlett, that

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<v Speaker 1>would make them as white as snow. Though they are

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<v Speaker 1>red le crimson, I would make them as white as wool.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that we sort of look over is

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<v Speaker 1>the part that says, let's settle this right?

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<v Speaker 2>Settle what right?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you if you look up a couple verses

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<v Speaker 1>in verse sixteen, he says, wash yourselves and be clean,

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<v Speaker 1>get your sins out of my sight, give up your

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<v Speaker 1>evil ways, learn to do good, seek justice, help the oppressed,

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<v Speaker 1>defend the cause of orphans, fight for the rights of widows.

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<v Speaker 1>Come now, let's settle this, says the Lord. So your

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<v Speaker 1>sins are like scarlett, I'll make them what of snow.

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<v Speaker 1>So what he's doing is it's a plead to stop,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pretending, stop faking it, but actually to let

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<v Speaker 1>God transform your heart, which will literally transform your life.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll it'll be shown in your actions. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a person who truly loves God, then you will love

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<v Speaker 1>the things that God loves, which is which is all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that were listed there. Right in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pay attention to the orphans and the widows,

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<v Speaker 1>and do good, seek justice, give up your evil ways.

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<v Speaker 1>These are things that are translating into all sorts of behaviors.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But to learn to love God, your actions are going

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<v Speaker 2>to change.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why he says, hey, you know, give your

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<v Speaker 1>heart to me, and then I will make your sins

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<v Speaker 1>as white as snow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which is great.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I think in literature there's the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>the scarlet letter, right, and what a devastating thing that

532
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<v Speaker 3>this idea, Oh hey, here's a sinner now covered in

533
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<v Speaker 3>this this scarlet letter, that you can never be forgiven.

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<v Speaker 3>It always stands out, your guilt is always with you everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of I think Hawthorne kind of represents

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<v Speaker 3>is representing this kind of idea here that for some

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<v Speaker 3>of us, you know, the things you've done in your past,

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like are catching up with you. The things

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<v Speaker 3>that you've done are so shameful. You know, red really

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<v Speaker 3>stands out. I don't know if you noticed. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>a thing again here recently. The you know, sometimes people

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<v Speaker 3>forget but even red red automobiles get more tickets, not

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<v Speaker 3>just red sports cars, any kind of red car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually the number one right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, isn't that funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what the color gets the least amount

547
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<v Speaker 2>of tickets?

548
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<v Speaker 3>White?

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<v Speaker 2>White?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true, because it blends in more with everything

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<v Speaker 3>around it, and just.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for some reason it is attached to a certain

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<v Speaker 1>personality type, just like red is.

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<v Speaker 3>But but red red also just stands out more, is

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<v Speaker 3>more visibly aware, you see it more. It's harder to

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<v Speaker 3>disappear in traffic, all those things. Right, So, so the

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<v Speaker 3>officer can stay on it a little more, we'll notice

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<v Speaker 3>it quicker. All those kinds of things, and and red

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<v Speaker 3>just stands out. And that's why God's saying, man, you're

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<v Speaker 3>covered in this crimson stain, and then natural crimson will

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<v Speaker 3>stain you for days and days and days.

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<v Speaker 2>And days and days.

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<v Speaker 3>Off get it on you. It won't come off it

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<v Speaker 3>us stain. And God says, listen, even though you're covered

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<v Speaker 3>in this red stain, I want to make you white.

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<v Speaker 3>So God's not wanting you to have to carry the shame.

567
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<v Speaker 3>God's not wanting you to just stay totally stained in

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<v Speaker 3>your life. God says, listen, I promise you I love

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<v Speaker 3>you so much, I'll clean you up right, which is

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<v Speaker 3>really the whole idea. So as we're wrapping up, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that's the big idea, is that God desires

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<v Speaker 3>to clean us. Yeah, that's great, that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's our time for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for being here and we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow hopefully on the Bible gush