00;00;00;02 - 00;00;02;01 Mark And you call yourself a detective. 00;00;02;04 - 00;00;05;10 Sarah Oh, that's a knife to the heart. 00;00;05;12 - 00;00;06;20 Mark Like my little ah. 00;00;06;22 - 00;00;29;07 Sarah Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Mater, you're going to give me an A-minus. I just know it. Oh, I can already feel the minus three. Hey, maniac. 00;00;29;08 - 00;00;31;24 Mark Hey, Mania. 00;00;31;26 - 00;00;33;15 Sarah That's getting a little out of hand. Yeah, I. 00;00;33;15 - 00;00;39;26 Mark Did. I added a bunch extra ease on the transcript for the the real that I did the other day. 00;00;40;03 - 00;00;40;28 Sarah Did you? Me? You? 00;00;41;04 - 00;00;41;17 Mark Yeah. 00;00;41;22 - 00;00;42;25 Sarah If it makes you feel good to say. 00;00;42;25 - 00;00;55;07 Mark Hey, welcome to Mystery Maniacs, a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig in to an episode of the show, including the murders, the Mayhem, the loonies, and old boy. Do we ever. 00;00;55;07 - 00;00;57;07 Sarah Tune in today. 00;00;57;09 - 00;01;07;20 Mark And everything else we love this Week. Murdoch Mysteries Big Murderer on Campus Episode seven Season two. Yes, I am, Mark. 00;01;07;21 - 00;01;16;14 Sarah I'm Sarah. I'm really happy. You know why? Why? Because I just ate some candy corn. Oh, you know, that means. 00;01;16;20 - 00;01;19;15 Mark That I'm not going to remind you how many days is to Halloween. 00;01;19;15 - 00;01;22;29 Sarah Don't do it. Don't do it. 00;01;23;01 - 00;01;25;00 Mark No, we don't want to do this, though. 00;01;25;01 - 00;01;34;06 Sarah Much like other places, it is hotter than Satan's butt crack outside, so it's hard to feel like. So all season is coming tomorrow. 00;01;34;06 - 00;01;36;27 Mark It's going to be cool. I can mow the lawn and get poisoned. 00;01;36;27 - 00;01;44;18 Sarah Okay, cool is so subjective. It's going to be in the seventies. Yes. And the humidity is going to be in the eighties. Yeah, It's still going to be hot. 00;01;44;20 - 00;01;55;29 Mark Well, a couple of things happened this week that we should talk about. First of all, some people have said some very nice things to us online. Yeah, including a lovely lady from New Zealand. 00;01;56;01 - 00;02;07;22 Sarah Are you going to do that now? Yeah. Okay. You might remember that last week I revealed that I had seen I had been listening to some podcasts from New Zealand and I didn't realize. 00;02;07;22 - 00;02;09;09 Mark The word decade. 00;02;09;14 - 00;02;10;26 Sarah And then ten years. 00;02;10;28 - 00;02;13;09 Mark Was the same as decade. 00;02;13;12 - 00;02;17;11 Sarah When you hear it in a New Zealand accent. Yes. So one of our listeners. 00;02;17;11 - 00;02;17;28 Mark From New. 00;02;17;28 - 00;02;19;06 Sarah Zealand, Ginger Petal. 00;02;19;08 - 00;02;20;12 Mark Oh, thank you. 00;02;20;12 - 00;02;21;20 Sarah Responded to us. 00;02;21;20 - 00;02;23;29 Mark And are you going to do a dramatic reading? 00;02;23;29 - 00;02;24;25 Sarah I think I have. 00;02;24;27 - 00;02;26;21 Mark You think you do. 00;02;26;24 - 00;02;31;26 Sarah I will apologize to all of our New Zealand listeners in advance. Are you ready? 00;02;31;26 - 00;02;37;18 Mark The woman is staring podcast player right now doing What is they going to do? 00;02;37;19 - 00;02;54;15 Sarah I'm just going to read it. Oh, are you ready? I'm ready. I should say this received two likes. Okay. I was not expecting to hear that dickhead and dickhead sound the same in a New Zealand. That same. Usually the jokes are all about how we say Dick and Dick. Obviously we know what we're saying. 00;02;54;19 - 00;02;56;08 Mark Dick and Dick. 00;02;56;10 - 00;02;57;16 Sarah Yeah. 00;02;57;18 - 00;02;58;20 Mark My goodness. 00;02;58;20 - 00;03;03;21 Sarah And Mike, you're a dick. Okay, let's build a dick on the back of the house. 00;03;03;23 - 00;03;05;02 Mark Oh, okay. 00;03;05;05 - 00;03;12;09 Sarah We can deck. We can have a barbecue on the dick who didn't invite your friend Dick. 00;03;12;11 - 00;03;13;19 Mark Is that. 00;03;13;21 - 00;03;14;16 Sarah To. 00;03;14;19 - 00;03;16;10 Mark Have any barbecue on the dick? 00;03;16;15 - 00;03;19;00 Sarah No. Okay, There's plenty of room on the dick. 00;03;19;01 - 00;03;21;09 Mark Who's Dick like? Not Grandma. 00;03;21;10 - 00;03;23;27 Sarah Dick. Well, yours if we build it on the back of our house. 00;03;23;27 - 00;03;28;05 Mark So you're not having a barbecue on my dick? 00;03;28;07 - 00;03;37;18 Sarah Ginger paddle understands that people get dick and dick confused in a New Zealand accent, but doesn't see why decade and decade should get confused. 00;03;37;20 - 00;03;40;12 Mark I think we need to go to New Zealand to explore this. 00;03;40;12 - 00;03;44;16 Sarah Just to say deck. Yeah. See if people get offended or not. 00;03;44;18 - 00;04;02;19 Mark Oh my gosh. Speaking of people, many people mentioned to me through comments and direct messages that there is now going to be an official midsummer podcast. Yes, most people were like, Aren't you guys the official midsummer? No, no. 00;04;02;21 - 00;04;13;14 Sarah That would mean we got paid, I think. No, but they're the Midsomer Murders. Official social channels said, Hey, there's a we're going to have an official podcast coming. 00;04;13;14 - 00;04;14;12 Mark Out, first of all. 00;04;14;12 - 00;04;23;10 Sarah Which means one thing to me, there's going to be more midsummer. Yes, that's it doesn't matter what the podcast is like. They wouldn't be doing it if this was the last season. 00;04;23;10 - 00;04;28;05 Mark Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It means that there are multiple seasons of midsummer to come. 00;04;28;06 - 00;04;31;18 Sarah And probably that the next season is coming out imminently. 00;04;31;18 - 00;04;48;23 Mark Yes, that's what I think, that we will have an imminent announcement. The first of all, thank you to all the lovely people who said on that thread the official thread from midsummer, there's already a podcast and it's really good. 00;04;48;25 - 00;04;50;28 Sarah We're not going to compete with that. I think it's great. 00;04;50;28 - 00;04;53;00 Mark I think it will be two completely different. 00;04;53;00 - 00;04;53;13 Sarah Areas. 00;04;53;13 - 00;04;54;20 Mark Around the same topic. 00;04;54;21 - 00;04;56;14 Sarah They're not going to say Dick and Dick. 00;04;56;14 - 00;04;57;04 Mark No. 00;04;57;07 - 00;05;02;19 Sarah No, there won't be allowed. No, Nobody tells us what to say, though, Mark. 00;05;02;19 - 00;05;05;29 Mark I think they will be fantastic and I can't wait to listen. 00;05;06;01 - 00;05;16;26 Sarah Yeah, it'll be great. On another social channel news, Neil on Instagram, who was one of our random winners in the trivia contest, put up a real a. 00;05;16;28 - 00;05;17;20 Mark Beautiful. 00;05;17;26 - 00;05;19;08 Sarah Unboxing his t. 00;05;19;08 - 00;05;21;00 Mark Shirt stock of his. 00;05;21;00 - 00;05;26;00 Sarah Yellow Psycho Fox T-shirt, which is a brave combination, I must say. Is Body. 00;05;26;01 - 00;05;26;28 Mark In Blue. 00;05;27;01 - 00;05;28;01 Sarah Quite fetching. 00;05;28;03 - 00;05;32;04 Mark Back to the 1980s Super hero from DC if there ever was. 00;05;32;06 - 00;05;35;29 Sarah The sacrifice. Yeah. On the yellow t shirt. Yeah. It looks awesome. 00;05;35;29 - 00;05;37;08 Mark Thank you so much, Neil. 00;05;37;13 - 00;05;39;22 Sarah Yeah, that was super fun and super fun. 00;05;39;26 - 00;05;42;15 Mark We showed all our friends. Yeah, we know how to make friends. 00;05;42;17 - 00;05;57;05 Sarah We were like, Look, people do like us. Even if you don't, we're not Dex. You don't say it right. I have the New Zealand accent down. Obviously. I mean, come on. 00;05;57;08 - 00;06;00;29 Mark All I can do is meme meme. 00;06;01;01 - 00;06;07;08 Sarah Elsewhere on the socials, we've mentioned that we have a new channel on Instagram. The mystery maniac. Ali. 00;06;07;12 - 00;06;11;25 Mark Yes, it's a broadcast channel on the Midsomer Maniacs Main channel. 00;06;11;25 - 00;06;23;25 Sarah Yeah. And if you haven't checked it out, just a couple of things that got posted this week that might, you know, get your interest, I guess. Yeah. I posted a recommendation for a show on Britbox called Alan Carr's Adventures with Agatha Christie. 00;06;23;25 - 00;06;26;11 Mark Which is fan fantasy. 00;06;26;15 - 00;06;28;05 Sarah Alan Carr's so Funny. 00;06;28;08 - 00;06;28;22 Mark Cars. 00;06;28;22 - 00;06;34;14 Sarah Just he clearly loves Agatha Christie. He's got all kinds of great people on there with him. It was really early. 00;06;34;14 - 00;06;40;00 Mark I'll tell you about it. I'll tell you I learned things about Agatha Christie that I did not know from that show. 00;06;40;00 - 00;06;41;02 Sarah Which is saying something. 00;06;41;02 - 00;06;42;17 Mark Because watch everything. 00;06;42;23 - 00;06;52;02 Sarah We've seen, every biography, biopic, all that good stuff. It was really fun. I also posted a couple of pictures of pumpkins that I've been working on. 00;06;52;02 - 00;06;53;17 Mark Yeah, because Halloween to give. 00;06;53;18 - 00;07;01;04 Sarah People a flavor of what kind of trouble I get up to when I'm not doing this. You posted links to the new Midsomer Episodes, though. Yes. 00;07;01;10 - 00;07;14;28 Mark You mean in the UK last night? Angel, The Witches of Angels Rise was broadcast for the first time, so that's season 22, Episode six, I believe. So they're now just a full season behind us. 00;07;14;28 - 00;07;16;11 Sarah Only one once. 00;07;16;14 - 00;07;32;18 Mark And I posted the Mini and both the video and audio version of the the full episode, which you should watch right after this one. If you watched Witches of Angels Rise, unless you listen to us, like right after the episode. 00;07;32;20 - 00;07;36;07 Sarah Nerds, we love you nerds. 00;07;36;10 - 00;07;42;09 Mark Because we did a live episode of that. So yeah, we have. That was when we announced Mystery Maniacs. 00;07;42;15 - 00;08;06;14 Sarah That's right. And before we dive into this week's Murdoch, I just have a Sarah's recommendation. Yes. And addition to the Alan Carr thing, if you are an audible member, which I'm a junkie for Audible, I have hundreds of audio books on Audible. They also have podcasts that they produce and they just released one that is so good. It's called Agatha Christie and the Dandelion Poisoner. 00;08;06;21 - 00;08;28;22 Sarah Oh, and what it's about is it's about Agatha Christie's life, but also this real murder case that was happening at the same time that she was writing one of her first books. It's the Herbert Armstrong murder case that happened in 1921. It was in Hay on why he was a lawyer who was accused of poisoning his sickly wife with weedkiller. 00;08;28;22 - 00;08;33;25 Sarah And he was convicted and hanged. Yeah, for that. 00;08;33;27 - 00;08;37;00 Mark Now, this is very much like the CORNISH affair. 00;08;37;02 - 00;08;48;23 Sarah The CORNISH mystery with Pyro. Pyro and the woman who thinks her husband is poisoning her because he's a dentist and has a blond, He would have a smart girl in the office. 00;08;48;25 - 00;08;50;29 Mark Hastings Drools. 00;08;51;01 - 00;08;58;14 Sarah Yeah, they go they go all the way down to the CORNISH coast to investigate it. And she does die before they can go. 00;08;58;14 - 00;09;01;05 Mark All the way. It may take almost 4 hours to get. 00;09;01;07 - 00;09;03;18 Sarah On a train. Yeah, but maybe. 00;09;03;18 - 00;09;03;26 Mark Two. 00;09;03;26 - 00;09;20;29 Sarah Days. The podcast series is like, six or eight episodes. I can't remember is about the parallels between that real mystery, all that and the CORNISH mystery and it it's just it's so fun. That's really fun. So if you've got Audible, you should go check it out. Agatha Christie and the Dandelion Poisoner. 00;09;21;02 - 00;09;33;18 Mark Okay, Big Murder on Campus Original Air Date March 17, 2009. Don Mcbrearty is the director, and Laurie Lind is the writer. 00;09;33;25 - 00;09;37;08 Sarah This is a really important Murdoch episode. 00;09;37;08 - 00;09;38;17 Mark It's super important. 00;09;38;17 - 00;09;45;08 Sarah If you are new to Murdoch and you've not seen episodes past this, you don't know how important this episode. 00;09;45;13 - 00;09;47;16 Mark Is the foundation of years. 00;09;47;16 - 00;09;50;26 Sarah To come. And we're going to tell you we're not going to ruin anything for you. 00;09;50;26 - 00;09;51;20 Mark No spoilers. 00;09;51;20 - 00;10;19;15 Sarah It's not spoiling it. But Gilly's, one of the big we spoil everything. Yeah, in the episode we're talking about, right? Gillies One of the murderers becomes the nemesis of Murdoch and doctor ordered and then for five seasons. Yeah, this is the introduction to him. Yeah. And they know it already. Oh, yeah. It is so clear that he is already a waste, super duper bad guy. 00;10;19;18 - 00;10;21;24 Sarah He's far more than he is in this episode. 00;10;21;27 - 00;10;23;10 Mark You're fantastic actor. 00;10;23;11 - 00;10;33;00 Sarah Yeah, his name is Michael Ceder and he's really, really good. But they put all these little hints of, Yeah, just how nefarious he is. 00;10;33;00 - 00;10;33;24 Mark Absolutely. 00;10;33;25 - 00;10;40;05 Sarah This is a small case for him. The things that he's going to do later, this has got nothing on it. 00;10;40;07 - 00;10;47;01 Mark There are episodes of Murdoch that make me so anxious. I get sick and I know the ending. 00;10;47;05 - 00;10;54;24 Sarah Yeah, you're like, Oh, I've got it. I know what's going to happen. Don't you still hope that it turns out differently? 00;10;54;27 - 00;10;57;20 Mark Well, there's one in particular asked for that anyway. 00;10;57;26 - 00;11;04;13 Sarah Yeah, there's one Gillies episode I can't watch because it makes me. Yeah, makes me too edgy. Yeah, yeah. Seen it. And I don't need to see you again. 00;11;04;13 - 00;11;06;10 Mark Big man on campus is. 00;11;06;10 - 00;11;09;14 Sarah One that we're trying to like aren't in any. 00;11;09;17 - 00;11;19;29 Mark Way Big man on campus is what they're playing with here, which is actually a kind of more American title for University's goings on. Started in the thirties. 00;11;19;29 - 00;11;40;19 Sarah It's like the most popular man on campus. Yeah. Now when I was in college, it already turned into basically a contest. It was like Mr. Campus, you know, like who? Who was the most popular man who represented the campus? We had the BMC contest. Yeah. You voted for BMC and. 00;11;40;20 - 00;11;43;03 Mark Nothing like that in Canada. They had like that. 00;11;43;05 - 00;11;46;06 Sarah It was like a beauty contest for dudes. Yes. 00;11;46;09 - 00;11;53;12 Mark Now I did. When I put this in, I found a bad, horrible movie. It's not nobody from this episode is in this horrible. 00;11;53;12 - 00;11;57;24 Sarah Movie, and we don't recommend you watch this movie. But there is a movie called Big Man on Campus. 00;11;57;25 - 00;12;01;12 Mark Which which. 00;12;01;14 - 00;12;03;13 Sarah I've seen it. I can't believe. 00;12;03;16 - 00;12;04;29 Mark I seen this. 00;12;05;02 - 00;12;07;10 Sarah This is a horrible movie Sarah's seen. 00;12;07;10 - 00;12;30;19 Mark Let me read you this description in this version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Notre Dame a hunchback is found living on the bell tower of UCLA. He is put on trial and made to go through tests. One of the research doctors falls for him and he falls for her. In the end. So I'm scared. 00;12;30;19 - 00;12;33;17 Sarah Some hunchback is an incredibly derogatory. 00;12;33;17 - 00;12;36;04 Mark Term, just horrific. 00;12;36;06 - 00;12;39;06 Sarah He's almost more like a caveman. 00;12;39;06 - 00;12;46;10 Mark I can't believe this movie was made in 1989, 35 years ago. 00;12;46;16 - 00;12;53;19 Sarah So I saw it when I was in high school. At some point, somehow not in the theater. I'm going to say there's no way I saw no theater. 00;12;53;27 - 00;13;00;14 Mark No play is tongue scared. And Cindy Williams and Armin Zimmermann in it like. 00;13;00;14 - 00;13;03;04 Sarah Well known actors. If you look it up, you'll recognize people. 00;13;03;04 - 00;13;10;13 Mark Well, when I looked it up, I saw one of the characters name really the main character's name. And I kind of went, Oh. 00;13;10;16 - 00;13;11;16 Sarah Wow. 00;13;11;18 - 00;13;23;25 Mark Because the main character's name is Bob Macaluso, Gag Glue Guy Luca. Luca, Luca. That's the character. 00;13;23;25 - 00;13;31;13 Sarah Because he makes up his known, his own name. He says, My name is Bob McCulloch. Lugar, Lugar, Lugar, Lugar, Lugar. 00;13;31;18 - 00;13;32;03 Mark Yeah. 00;13;32;06 - 00;13;37;27 Sarah Like, like I said, he's more like a caveman. 00;13;37;29 - 00;13;40;06 Mark In a scene I watched. This is. 00;13;40;06 - 00;13;42;17 Sarah Hilarious. No, sorry. It's so. 00;13;42;17 - 00;13;50;10 Mark Funny. It's funny because Tom Skerritt is like, can you please be funny? And the guys I. 00;13;50;12 - 00;13;51;13 Sarah Know. 00;13;51;16 - 00;13;52;22 Mark He's not a. 00;13;52;27 - 00;14;01;04 Sarah Clown here. Oh, okay. We'll let our listeners judge. They can go on IMDB and watch that clip and Bob, Meg, look, look, look. 00;14;01;06 - 00;14;03;14 Mark Look, look. 00;14;03;16 - 00;14;06;09 Sarah Anybody got that name already? 00;14;06;12 - 00;14;07;27 Mark Oh, my God. 00;14;07;27 - 00;14;15;03 Sarah At least they didn't set it in France. Yeah, that would have been worse. Bob. 00;14;15;06 - 00;14;32;27 Mark Meg Okay, just a couple of things before we begin about universities in Canada, University in Canada is very different. It's much more highbrow, especially at this point in time. There's only 17 of them in all of the country at this time. 00;14;33;03 - 00;14;46;13 Sarah In the US, any higher education institution that offers graduate degrees is called a university. Yeah, otherwise it's a college. Yeah, it's the same way in Canada, right? There's just far more colleges in our universities. 00;14;46;16 - 00;15;00;23 Mark But the universities started at this point in time, amalgamating religious colleges, which is why you have a number of colleges at U of T Yes, there are religious affiliation. 00;15;00;26 - 00;15;02;03 Sarah ST Whatever of the. 00;15;02;03 - 00;15;04;14 Mark Whatever, while the university is. 00;15;04;19 - 00;15;17;02 Sarah Like Oxford. Yes, yes. There's colleges inside the university where they offer graduate programs. It just it's like we would say it's a school. Yes, we have a school of medicine. Yes. They would have a college of yes, right? 00;15;17;04 - 00;15;30;05 Mark Yes, yes, yes. These dudes walking around the quad at 9:00 at night, by the way, this is all actually shot on U of T it looks like this. Yeah. It's beautiful to this day. It's gorgeous. 00;15;30;05 - 00;15;31;03 Sarah It's like campus. 00;15;31;03 - 00;15;35;26 Mark Yeah. Oh, they're laying down some mad beats on those drums, man. 00;15;35;29 - 00;15;40;10 Sarah That's what college kids do. Yeah, especially nine, eight, 9 p.m. at night. I mean, come on. 00;15;40;10 - 00;15;41;06 Mark And then. Okay. 00;15;41;06 - 00;15;44;11 Sarah Also still wear their theater costumes out and about. Yeah. 00;15;44;11 - 00;15;53;01 Mark Going around in a weird episode. Why does George mentioned in any when two episodes ago he was having trouble with sex. 00;15;53;04 - 00;15;57;25 Sarah I'm guessing somebody mentioned to him they were performing Antigeni. I guess he just took it from there. 00;15;57;27 - 00;16;00;28 Mark I guess it's 9:00, which means Peeping Tom. 00;16;00;28 - 00;16;05;06 Sarah Time because that's when What's your face gets undressed? Yeah. 00;16;05;08 - 00;16;19;06 Mark So that in in an episode with some plot problems. Yeah. These guys stop and say she does this every night at 9:00, and yet she gets paid by Gillies. 00;16;19;11 - 00;16;36;11 Sarah That's why she doesn't every night at 9:00, because they've been paying her to do it. Okay. Because, you know, female students live in the building right next to the physics department. They're not often some hovel of a dorm somewhere where they're because they're obviously the minority. Well, and they would put them in the crappiest rooms they could. 00;16;36;11 - 00;16;39;29 Mark We did some research because, you know, that's what we do. 00;16;40;00 - 00;16;43;04 Sarah When Julia went to medical school, they probably made her stay in a closet. 00;16;43;04 - 00;17;01;03 Mark And this hall was the first all female room resident at Victoria College University of Toronto. It is built in 1903 and was the first residence hall for women in Canada. So this is an anachronism? 00;17;01;04 - 00;17;12;07 Sarah No, I don't think it is, because I don't think she's in a women's residence hall. I think she's in a room and a building that is used for other purposes that she happens to have a room. And I. 00;17;12;07 - 00;17;12;25 Mark Guess. 00;17;13;00 - 00;17;19;06 Sarah Maybe the physics department arranged for her to have that room, I don't know. So they can look at her. 00;17;19;08 - 00;17;22;09 Mark As extras and make a book and get. 00;17;22;09 - 00;17;34;13 Sarah There. At first you're like, Why would anybody get undressed right in front of an open window that they know is is facing on to a crowded clod? And then you find out because she's being paid to do it. That's why she's doing it. 00;17;34;13 - 00;17;38;02 Mark And she doesn't seem to have one stitch a problem with that. 00;17;38;02 - 00;17;40;08 Sarah No, she probably needs the money. 00;17;40;08 - 00;17;43;23 Mark Yeah, absolutely. It's time for Murdoch to make an invention. 00;17;43;25 - 00;17;46;07 Sarah Yeah. Talk about anachronism. 00;17;46;08 - 00;17;49;15 Mark It's less disruptive than guns. 00;17;49;17 - 00;18;01;00 Sarah He's testing out kind of the components of a bulletproof vest based on Mongolian armor that's supposedly made of layers of silk. Yes, This. There is no historical evidence for this. 00;18;01;00 - 00;18;02;09 Mark Not at all, though. 00;18;02;14 - 00;18;07;21 Sarah Nowadays they are making ballistic armor out of spider silk. Yes. Which is terrifying. 00;18;07;21 - 00;18;10;06 Mark Yes. At least this thing is over quick. 00;18;10;07 - 00;18;11;03 Sarah The idea of. 00;18;11;03 - 00;18;15;11 Mark Li. 00;18;15;13 - 00;18;24;12 Sarah The idea of the only thing that's worse than spider silk armor is that they've bred goats to make spider silk, which is really fringy. 00;18;24;17 - 00;18;35;09 Mark To give you an indication of how small can still is at this time and how small the university community is. Breckenridge just says go to the university because there's only one in town. 00;18;35;10 - 00;18;54;02 Sarah Yeah. And though their jurisdiction seems to have no end, yes. The default is that it's within Toronto. Yeah, it must be the U of T. So we've got Samuel Bennet. Yeah. Professor of Physics, shot in the head from somewhere in the university quad while he was on the phone and looking through a telescope. Because he's a multitasker. 00;18;54;05 - 00;19;00;02 Mark Yes. My next note is Mom and dad are fighting for Crabtree. 00;19;00;04 - 00;19;06;04 Sarah When Julia enters the crime scene, it's like tension, instant tension. 00;19;06;06 - 00;19;09;19 Mark This whole episode is mom and dad. And mom and mom are fighting. 00;19;09;22 - 00;19;15;25 Sarah Yes, yes. Stop at mom's mother's. 00;19;15;28 - 00;19;16;22 Mark So next we. 00;19;16;22 - 00;19;19;16 Sarah Murdoch says there's a phantom killer on the loose. 00;19;19;16 - 00;19;20;05 Mark Yes. 00;19;20;07 - 00;19;21;16 Sarah Dun, dun dun. 00;19;21;17 - 00;19;47;12 Mark He's totally being facetious here, but it's great. Perry and Gillies here explain the theory of ether, which was in fact a theory of physics at this time. You have to remember at this time, the early the late 19th century and early 20th century, several people have stated that physics was not a area to go into because they had figured it out. 00;19;47;15 - 00;19;54;20 Mark Most of physics was done. Yeah. And that you should go into chemistry because they had more financial possibilities. 00;19;54;20 - 00;19;56;17 Sarah Yeah. And there was more things to figure out. 00;19;56;17 - 00;20;13;17 Mark There was more things to figure out because ether was in vacuums. Yes. Now, of course, we know that there's no such thing as ether, but I think this is really good writing that we are like clued in to their smarmy, smart ness instantly. 00;20;13;20 - 00;20;31;00 Sarah It is a shortcut to their personality that they set up in the galley. Yeah, it's like the kid who sits in the back row and knows everything. Yes. You know, So Godfrey, the professor who's teaching the class, the seminar? Yes. On his very tiny chalkboard. 00;20;31;00 - 00;20;32;05 Mark Is very tiny. Chuck. 00;20;32;11 - 00;20;47;19 Sarah He may as well just have a slate and hold it up to everybody. Yeah, he. But he has their number. He knows exactly what they are like. Yeah, it's like, Oh, you've been reading ahead. Yes. However, they came by that answer. Yes, they are correct. Call on them again. 00;20;47;26 - 00;21;00;15 Mark Yeah. Also, I didn't get enough research on this because I couldn't find enough, but he may actually should have robes on. He might still have robes on like English professors have in university. 00;21;00;15 - 00;21;10;06 Sarah In the UK. Yeah, the black robes. I'm kind of sorry that those are gone sometimes. And then I'm sometimes I'm like, not sorry they're gone because they're probably hot and uncomfortable and get in your way. 00;21;10;07 - 00;21;17;18 Mark Let's talk about a completely irrelevant hobby that both of these professors have so that we have an explanation for a telescope. 00;21;17;22 - 00;21;23;15 Sarah Well, they look at comets. That's not an irrelevant hobby for physicists, physics professors. 00;21;23;16 - 00;21;23;28 Mark They're not. 00;21;23;28 - 00;21;39;17 Sarah Astrophysics. And they get to say Tycho Brahe. Yes, who did, in fact discover a comet like they say. But I just I can't get past the fact that Gillies is cringing from the first frame. You see him. 00;21;39;20 - 00;21;39;29 Mark In. 00;21;39;29 - 00;22;05;07 Sarah Pieces. So. And when when the two of them. When Gillies and Perry chased Murdock out of the building. Yeah, they're. They're sycophantic. But, you know, it's not real. Like, they're not like, Wow, you're a real detective. And we're genuinely interested. It's. We have evidence that isn't real that we want to tell you about to frame somebody, and then we want to watch the investigation. 00;22;05;07 - 00;22;07;21 Sarah Because we're interested. Because we did it. 00;22;07;23 - 00;22;08;08 Mark Yes. 00;22;08;13 - 00;22;12;19 Sarah Though, as an instructor, as a professor, I have had students chase me like that. 00;22;12;20 - 00;22;13;09 Mark Yes. 00;22;13;11 - 00;22;30;20 Sarah And they're the ones you worry about. And I I've had students say things like, is it okay if I just sign up for an hour in your office hours every week of the semester? Because even if I don't have anything specific to talk about, I just know that if I get to spend some time with you, I'm going to learn so much because I'm so interested in this topic. 00;22;30;26 - 00;22;35;14 Sarah And I can already tell that you're a really great professor. And I'm like, No, get away from me. 00;22;35;14 - 00;22;42;21 Mark There's also two types of people who are passed over for department head, people who are pleased, but yes, people who are not. 00;22;42;21 - 00;22;52;01 Sarah Pleased, but most people are pleased to know that it's in most departments. In my experience, it is something you get stuck with but not something you want. 00;22;52;01 - 00;22;55;26 Mark This is definitely a little colonialism, though, that he's British. 00;22;56;02 - 00;23;03;03 Sarah And he gets brought in a new instructor, new member of the faculty and gets made chair Yeah, yeah. And they bring a chair that's on the outside. 00;23;03;09 - 00;23;05;00 Mark Absolutely central. 00;23;05;03 - 00;23;15;18 Sarah If you're an academic and they bring a chair in from the outside, a brand new hire, that is a bad sign for all the faculty who are there. Yeah, that none of you were a good choice. We had to find somebody. 00;23;15;19 - 00;23;19;25 Mark Speaking of academics, Bracken Reed uses Egghead here. 00;23;19;27 - 00;23;20;18 Sarah Yeah. 00;23;20;21 - 00;23;23;11 Mark Which is a bit of an anachronism. 00;23;23;16 - 00;23;30;03 Sarah He also says, compete, compete because now he's Italian. 00;23;30;06 - 00;23;37;26 Mark Eggheads actually popularized in this med in this meaning in the fifties by Nixon we talked about athletes. 00;23;37;28 - 00;23;40;19 Sarah Before that it's just bald men just for our eggheads. 00;23;40;19 - 00;23;45;28 Mark For. Yeah. Well, let's talk about George's search for George. 00;23;46;00 - 00;23;47;06 Sarah He's a foundling. 00;23;47;07 - 00;23;50;24 Mark March 14th, 1867. Poor George. 00;23;50;24 - 00;24;05;07 Sarah He wants to find his mom. Yeah. Did you leave your baby at St James Church in the care of Reverend Lovell? What is it, Laurel or Laurel on or about March 14th, 1867. Police Constable wishes to reunite with his mother. Is St James Church real? 00;24;05;10 - 00;24;05;27 Mark Yes. 00;24;05;28 - 00;24;06;09 Sarah Okay. 00;24;06;11 - 00;24;07;22 Mark There's lots of St James's. 00;24;07;26 - 00;24;10;13 Sarah So he was left on the doorstep of a church. 00;24;10;15 - 00;24;16;18 Mark All of this story, because we've watched other Murdoch episodes is completely forgotten. 00;24;16;23 - 00;24;25;17 Sarah Yes, he finds his mother and we forget about it. Yeah, but without it, we wouldn't have the dueling mothers. Yes. 00;24;25;23 - 00;24;35;04 Mark I don't like. Okay. Murdoch is like, oh, this is a great idea. And he wins the the note. And I'm like, this is a bad idea. 00;24;35;07 - 00;24;41;19 Sarah Oh, the the ad Yeah. He wants to place and he's sympathetic to Crabtree wanting to find his mother. 00;24;41;24 - 00;24;45;03 Mark But then Murdoch is instantly this is a back. 00;24;45;05 - 00;24;45;21 Sarah Yeah. 00;24;45;22 - 00;24;46;15 Mark Later on. 00;24;46;16 - 00;25;01;03 Sarah Well they don't say it when they read out the ad but it must also say come to station house for if you think you're my mom I have money. Which you know must be a joy for the desk sergeant. Yeah. Oh, great. Here comes another crab trees. 00;25;01;03 - 00;25;05;15 Mark Mom, I was wrong because I thought, like, 30 women show up. 00;25;05;15 - 00;25;07;25 Sarah Yeah, I remember it being more than two as well. 00;25;07;25 - 00;25;18;05 Mark It's only two. Let's go to the young Comfort and walk. Awkward moment. They're fighting. 00;25;18;07 - 00;25;37;00 Sarah I think it's pretty clear that they both wish they weren't, though. Yes, because Julia's pretty open to him coming around and he's brave enough to come around and not try to, like, make up instantly, which I think is a good move on his part. He's like, let's at least be collegial. We have a good relationship. As colleagues. We are beneficial to one another. 00;25;37;00 - 00;25;41;08 Sarah Can we at least have that back? And they're both mature enough to do that. Yes. 00;25;41;08 - 00;25;42;20 Mark You know what? You need to be a killer. 00;25;42;20 - 00;25;43;25 Sarah Murdoch Sand. 00;25;43;28 - 00;25;45;05 Mark Boulders. 00;25;45;07 - 00;25;58;14 Sarah Well, yeah, There is a Venn diagram draw over. If you are on a university and there is a killer, he will be wearing a boner. Now, there are people in boaters who are not killers, but all killers on universities. Where boaters? 00;25;58;14 - 00;25;59;20 Mark Yes. 00;25;59;22 - 00;26;01;08 Sarah It's a tautology. 00;26;01;10 - 00;26;04;23 Mark At this point in time. You're like these two guys did it. 00;26;04;24 - 00;26;17;21 Sarah Yeah, well, you know, they did it from the first time they approached Murdoch. Yes. Because what do killers do? They insinuate themselves in the investigation. So maybe be allowed to observe your investigation. 00;26;17;22 - 00;26;18;12 Mark They're just. 00;26;18;17 - 00;26;19;01 Sarah Coming. 00;26;19;02 - 00;26;27;24 Mark They're trying to find the trajectory of the bullet and killings goes. Maybe he was kneeling and they said, Perry, that says. Or was it the war? 00;26;28;00 - 00;26;28;24 Sarah Yes. 00;26;28;27 - 00;26;33;12 Mark And then who says we have one of those? You know, I think said that. 00;26;33;12 - 00;26;39;12 Sarah Yes. Well, I'm again, incredibly derogatory, horrendous. 00;26;39;12 - 00;26;42;08 Mark But I tried to find out if you. 00;26;42;08 - 00;26;43;28 Sarah Wanted to know if that was true or not. 00;26;43;28 - 00;26;48;19 Mark An individual of extremely short stature was. 00;26;48;26 - 00;26;50;04 Sarah On the faculty at U of. 00;26;50;04 - 00;26;51;23 Mark T on the faculty and. 00;26;51;23 - 00;26;53;01 Sarah Was there. 00;26;53;03 - 00;26;55;10 Mark I have no idea. This is what. 00;26;55;11 - 00;26;58;10 Sarah I got derailed instantly. 00;26;58;12 - 00;27;07;15 Mark This is what I did find. Now there is an enormous amount of work done on dwarf stars and U of T. 00;27;07;15 - 00;27;08;15 Sarah Well, that's good. 00;27;08;17 - 00;27;21;12 Mark And the professor and head and chair in the history of Medicine Faculty of Medicine's name is Dr. Edward Shorter. 00;27;21;15 - 00;27;22;25 Sarah But he is of an average height. 00;27;22;28 - 00;27;26;25 Mark Which he appears to be in this picture. He's sitting down so he. 00;27;26;27 - 00;27;29;29 Sarah Could be surrounded by other people afterwards to add. 00;27;30;02 - 00;27;47;29 Mark Something. I'm like, Well, who else was at U of T at this time? Because it is a premier institution in Canada and they miss an opportunity at this point in time. William Lyon, Mackenzie King, All the Canadians are like, Oh gosh. 00;27;48;01 - 00;27;49;21 Sarah He's going to become Prime minister. 00;27;49;21 - 00;27;52;04 Mark Yeah, he's he is Prime Minister, but. 00;27;52;04 - 00;27;53;18 Sarah He's a student in 1890. 00;27;53;18 - 00;28;00;17 Mark Six. He's a grad student at this time. Oh, yes, he I wish they had. 00;28;00;20 - 00;28;10;24 Sarah If you're not Canadian, you don't know. And I only know this because I'm married to a Canadian. But this is a prime minister who later publicly admitted nobody talked to his dead mother. 00;28;10;24 - 00;28;12;02 Mark While prime minister. 00;28;12;02 - 00;28;19;25 Sarah He you know, but I mean, yeah, later when he was prime minister, he publicly admitted that he talked to his dead mother and got advice from her young politics. 00;28;20;01 - 00;28;23;10 Mark Also had Roman ruins on his estate. 00;28;23;12 - 00;28;24;28 Sarah Did he have them moved from Rome? 00;28;24;28 - 00;28;25;24 Mark No, he made them. 00;28;26;02 - 00;28;33;15 Sarah Oh, so they're Canadian Roman ruins. Okay. He probably, like, can take a weird cat. 00;28;33;20 - 00;28;41;14 Mark Absolutely. So then I'm like, Whoa. I wonder if these professors were actual professors at U of T at this time. 00;28;41;15 - 00;28;42;16 Sarah Who got in Bennett? 00;28;42;16 - 00;28;44;20 Mark Yes. I told you this was a rabbit hole. 00;28;44;23 - 00;28;45;05 Sarah Yeah. 00;28;45;05 - 00;28;54;00 Mark And I found which could only be I, I may be one of two people who have ever read as much of this book as I. 00;28;54;02 - 00;28;56;05 Sarah Read the person who wrote it. And you there. 00;28;56;05 - 00;29;07;16 Mark Is a book entitled Physics at the University of Toronto, 1843 to 18 to 1980 by Elizabeth G. Evelyn. 00;29;07;19 - 00;29;13;06 Sarah Oh. Elizabeth. Oh, I hope this was your dissertation and you wrote it and you got away from it as. 00;29;13;06 - 00;29;16;24 Mark Quickly as Wow, it's like 300 pages. Yeah, yeah. 00;29;16;27 - 00;29;18;03 Sarah Dissertations are. 00;29;18;03 - 00;29;21;14 Mark Yeah, it's wow. Those names don't appear in the book. 00;29;21;20 - 00;29;27;12 Sarah The history of one department at one university for 150 years. Yeah. Poof. 00;29;27;14 - 00;29;35;08 Mark There are some famous professors at U of T, though. Marshall McLuhan, of course, near and dear to my heart. 00;29;35;10 - 00;29;36;16 Sarah The medium is the message. 00;29;36;16 - 00;29;41;03 Mark Yeah. Banting, who developed insulin. Roberts and DAVIES, who I met. 00;29;41;06 - 00;29;42;25 Sarah And did he pick you up? 00;29;42;29 - 00;29;45;21 Mark No. No. Robertson. DAVIES didn't. 00;29;45;23 - 00;29;50;13 Sarah Know. I just wondered how many famous people you've met trying to pick you up. 00;29;50;13 - 00;29;53;28 Mark No, Robert DAVIES didn't pick me. 00;29;54;01 - 00;29;59;26 Sarah And not like in a dating way, but, like, actually lift you off the ground. So when we. 00;29;59;26 - 00;30;04;08 Mark Talked about the people who tried to pick me up on this show, it would be a very different show. 00;30;04;11 - 00;30;13;09 Sarah When they're trying to measure the trajectory George is holding an ancient Roman invention. Yeah. Called a Graham. 00;30;13;11 - 00;30;14;13 Mark A Granma. 00;30;14;18 - 00;30;15;27 Sarah Which is a stripey stick. 00;30;16;01 - 00;30;16;22 Mark Yes. 00;30;16;26 - 00;30;19;10 Sarah For helping measure distances. 00;30;19;12 - 00;30;23;05 Mark And that's what it is. And surveyors use them to this day. 00;30;23;06 - 00;30;27;13 Sarah Yeah, but it's just a striped pole that helps you measure from a distance. 00;30;27;15 - 00;30;30;18 Mark Is that a vote of confidence, sir? Yes. Go away. 00;30;30;24 - 00;30;49;13 Sarah Yeah. Those really smart eggheads didn't count on you. Yes, Because you're one of them, too. It's interesting to see Murdoch with these academic intellectuals because Murdoch is not a university graduate. He he didn't come up that way, right? No, he's he's a smart guy. 00;30;49;14 - 00;30;56;13 Mark He finished what would be the equivalent now of high school. Yeah. Which he did at a Jesuit school. 00;30;56;13 - 00;30;59;28 Sarah Right. And that's it. And so everything else is self-taught. 00;31;00;02 - 00;31;03;19 Mark Then he was a lumberjack, and then he was a constable. 00;31;03;19 - 00;31;12;16 Sarah He's a polymath, though. Yeah, and he does put his foot in it and look like a moron several times in front of Godfrey. 00;31;12;21 - 00;31;13;19 Mark Yeah, he does. 00;31;13;25 - 00;31;23;27 Sarah He's like you. You were looking at her. You were looking out. He's like, How could I have been doing that? It was cloudy. Why would he have been looking at a comet through his telescope? It's cloudy and Murdoch's. 00;31;24;00 - 00;31;26;14 Mark Oh, yeah, Murdoch's quit. 00;31;26;14 - 00;31;45;08 Sarah Did you wrote this? No, no, I didn't know. Oh, like, dude, I think it's supposed to let us know that he's a bit intimidated by the academic intellectuals. He's got a bit of imposter syndrome, you know, kind of causing him some insecurity and making mistakes. Yeah, but in the end, yeah, obviously he overcomes that. 00;31;45;08 - 00;31;53;10 Mark But so we're back at the university at nighttime because Murdoch has a theory that maybe something was there that was hiding the. 00;31;53;10 - 00;31;53;26 Sarah Shooter, the. 00;31;53;26 - 00;31;57;09 Mark Shooter, and it would return at 9:00. 00;31;57;12 - 00;31;57;22 Sarah And it. 00;31;57;22 - 00;31;59;06 Mark Does. Oh, boy. 00;31;59;06 - 00;32;11;00 Sarah Does the cart, man. We don't know what it's on. What is on the cart? We don't know why he shows up at 845 and leaves at 915, other than he is down on his life. That's what we learned. 00;32;11;03 - 00;32;15;06 Mark His is wife. He calls her a harpy. 00;32;15;08 - 00;32;16;29 Sarah That carried in of a life. 00;32;17;02 - 00;32;18;12 Mark And heritage. 00;32;18;17 - 00;32;30;08 Sarah He has to go have a pint at the pub after making his rounds, but he has to do it quickly because if he's home after 915 that Herod didn't have a wife in Murdock's like, okay, sir, thank you, you may go. 00;32;30;12 - 00;32;32;06 Mark So why do you think that's in there? 00;32;32;06 - 00;32;49;11 Sarah I think it's just to show that he's a common dude and that he has no more to contribute. Yeah, than that he's there. But he does know for sure his timetable. He has a reason to know exactly when he's there and when he's like, yes, I think that's the purpose of it. 00;32;49;13 - 00;32;53;21 Mark I know we're broken up and everything, but can I still come over and talk. 00;32;53;24 - 00;33;03;11 Sarah To you even though you're busy? Can I just talk to the back of your head while you conduct obviously finicky chemistry experiments? 00;33;03;14 - 00;33;08;16 Mark Oh, and when you finally are ready to pay attention to me out of frustration, I'll leave. 00;33;08;16 - 00;33;14;24 Sarah Yeah, I kind of understand that, though, because. 00;33;14;26 - 00;33;16;13 Mark It's just a perfectly written. 00;33;16;13 - 00;33;35;01 Sarah Scene. It's just it. But it for me, it's so common that I don't know what I think until I hear what I say. I have to talk things through to figure out something. And I don't really need the other person to contribute a lot. I just need them to be there. I think, you know, sometimes you just play bobblehead for me and I'm like, Oh, never mind, I just figured it out. 00;33;35;01 - 00;33;40;02 Sarah Okay, I'm good now. You're so patient about that. And I think that's what I understand. 00;33;40;07 - 00;33;42;05 Mark People figure things out differently. 00;33;42;05 - 00;34;00;02 Sarah As soon as he sees that hourglass, he's like, Aha, That's why the sand was there. Actually, it's silica, sir. But yes, that's why the sand was there. There was a timer of some sort on this gun and it was somehow attached to the bottom of a cart and had a timer so that it would go off and shoot. 00;34;00;05 - 00;34;05;05 Mark How do you the person, Detective, angry, you say, and you call yourself a detective. 00;34;05;10 - 00;34;08;14 Sarah Oh, that's a knife to the heart. 00;34;08;17 - 00;34;10;23 Mark Like my role are. 00;34;10;26 - 00;34;20;14 Sarah Later. You're going to give me an A-minus. I just know it. I can already feel a minus. This whole contraption. We're not. 00;34;20;14 - 00;34;21;05 Mark We're. 00;34;21;08 - 00;34;30;12 Sarah No, no, no. The timer works. I understand that part. But if that Cartman parked a quarter of an inch. 00;34;30;12 - 00;34;35;08 Mark Yeah, never mind. How is it going to get pointed up from under the car. 00;34;35;10 - 00;34;52;12 Sarah That was challenged? So that's what Gillies and Perry embrace is the challenge of can we pull it off? Chances are that what they would have pulled off is just shooting the side of a building. Yes. Or shooting up into the sky. How did it not get jostled on that rough cart on Kabul rough street? 00;34;52;15 - 00;34;56;11 Mark Well, you see, they paid a young lady to appear naked. 00;34;56;13 - 00;34;58;02 Sarah Not naked. Oh, yeah. 00;34;58;05 - 00;35;02;13 Mark She's quite she's half naked. George takes a knife. No. 00;35;02;15 - 00;35;12;25 Sarah I think she's worth looking at for them, no question. But her poor schedule. Oh, it's 845. I got to get home and take my clothes off by. Yeah, I got to go. 00;35;12;27 - 00;35;19;17 Mark So they use the crime scene photos to find that out because of where the telescope is pointed. 00;35;19;20 - 00;35;21;28 Sarah Meanwhile, Crabtree wrestling with some others. 00;35;21;28 - 00;35;28;09 Mark He was well known to deal with the joys of spring and special academic for a morning. 00;35;28;09 - 00;35;29;19 Sarah Yes, I think so. 00;35;29;26 - 00;35;31;21 Mark Can I have a dollar? 00;35;31;24 - 00;35;43;13 Sarah Meanwhile, strumpet mom and apparently ugly mom are wrestling at a station house floor and Brackenridge has to come and go, Mother, and take. 00;35;43;13 - 00;35;47;01 Mark It outside. Mom and Dad are fighting and mom and Mom are fighting. 00;35;47;03 - 00;36;01;29 Sarah The one mom says to the other, You're so ugly you would like scare a horse away from a oatmeal or something like that. And the other one just strap. I'm glad there's only two of them. Or it would get really gross. It would be really bad wrestling match. 00;36;02;01 - 00;36;09;19 Mark So they bring the boys in and Murdock talks to Perry while Gillies looks weird in the way. 00;36;09;21 - 00;36;10;27 Sarah OC Gillies always. 00;36;10;27 - 00;36;13;00 Mark Looks sweet. Yes. Sorry. Yes. Yes. He that. 00;36;13;02 - 00;36;23;21 Sarah Always. And the more you know about him, the weirder he looks. I was watching for it this time. Yeah. He like there's a scene where he watches Julia walk. 00;36;23;22 - 00;36;24;05 Mark Yeah. 00;36;24;08 - 00;36;27;12 Sarah Across the room and it's so predatory. 00;36;27;12 - 00;36;33;19 Mark I actually got chills because I hadn't noticed that before. Yeah. That he gets a little obsessed with Julie. 00;36;33;19 - 00;36;48;25 Sarah Like Perry. Perry just looks nervous. Yeah, he's a little bit defiant because he's still a rich boy, but he looks a bit nervous. But Gillies is like somebody looking at a bug pinned to a board. Yeah. You know, when he looks at. 00;36;48;25 - 00;36;52;10 Mark People because they have to admit that they paid the young lady to get. 00;36;52;10 - 00;36;55;08 Sarah Undressed. Yes, because it's Perry's handwriting on the note. 00;36;55;08 - 00;37;00;13 Mark It's purely coincidence he got shot at the exact same time. That's bad killer. 00;37;00;14 - 00;37;13;00 Sarah Yeah, well, they don't expect to find the note, right? They don't expect Murdoch to have the note. They don't expect Murdoch to find out that it's not Godfrey's handwriting now. It's not well planned. 00;37;13;00 - 00;37;22;25 Mark They have to explain. Meanwhile, George and Murdoch have what seems to be a 15 minute discussion about Simpson and Saltman. 00;37;22;29 - 00;37;27;01 Sarah Yeah, sir, if you're suggesting cutting me in half, we'll just have to agree to disagree. 00;37;27;02 - 00;37;29;20 Mark I'll just add that. 00;37;29;23 - 00;37;33;05 Sarah Crabtree, though. 00;37;33;07 - 00;37;41;09 Mark What I don't understand and we'll get to this when we cover this in a little bit, there's a part in this episode where I think they cut some stuff. 00;37;41;09 - 00;37;42;03 Sarah Yeah. 00;37;42;05 - 00;37;44;13 Mark Why was it not the Samson? 00;37;44;14 - 00;38;09;24 Sarah So, yeah, to cut that part. Well, okay, so they have to find a way to separate Perry and Gillies. Right? They need to turn Perry on. Gillies They know that Perry is the weaker of the two. And, and so they're they're going to target Perry as the weak link, right? But at the same time, they've also got two mothers who they need to distinguish which one's real and which ones not. 00;38;09;24 - 00;38;15;14 Sarah And so Murdoch, being the smart person, he is up with the Solomon approach that will solve both problems. 00;38;15;14 - 00;38;35;09 Mark Yeah. This everyone who writes for television works really hard. Not saying they don't, but it would not surprise me that this was one of her earlier scripts because it is problem solution wrong problem, solution wrong. Oh, I have an idea or I have an idea or I have an idea and this. Or I have an idea. Solve all the problems. 00;38;35;09 - 00;38;36;07 Sarah Yes. 00;38;36;09 - 00;38;42;12 Mark And I think trying to solve those two problems at the same time makes it a little. 00;38;42;12 - 00;38;42;21 Sarah Heavy. 00;38;42;23 - 00;38;45;16 Mark Hammered and tight at the end. 00;38;45;19 - 00;38;47;17 Sarah So the idea is that they're going to get Perry. 00;38;47;17 - 00;38;51;16 Mark I know you're incredibly busy, Julie, and we're broken up. 00;38;51;23 - 00;38;52;18 Sarah But I need your help. 00;38;52;18 - 00;38;54;28 Mark You sure? Yeah. 00;38;55;00 - 00;38;59;23 Sarah I know you're busy with a giant syringe squirting something into a cadaver. 00;38;59;29 - 00;39;04;06 Mark I know you've thrown me out of the house. Could you help me move? 00;39;04;14 - 00;39;12;12 Sarah Yeah. And pay for the movers. 00;39;12;14 - 00;39;21;12 Mark And unload the truck. Murder. What? And that is the perfect murder because he is so completely unaware. 00;39;21;12 - 00;39;33;26 Sarah Yeah, he is. He's. He's a kind person, but he's a little socially inept sometimes, right? Yeah, because he just doesn't see why it would be a problem. But I think Julie is grateful for the opportunity. 00;39;34;01 - 00;39;34;22 Mark Like it's out. 00;39;34;22 - 00;39;36;15 Sarah I think she's fine doing it. 00;39;36;15 - 00;39;43;06 Mark And now we have not an interrogation scene and not a bring everybody in the library, you know, which I saw. 00;39;43;12 - 00;39;44;28 Sarah Recreate the crime. 00;39;44;28 - 00;39;49;11 Mark I celebrate both of those thing, but there's too many of both those things. 00;39;49;11 - 00;39;49;23 Sarah Yes. 00;39;49;27 - 00;39;51;20 Mark So this is this is great. 00;39;51;21 - 00;40;00;22 Sarah So they flatter Perry by saying, we know you didn't do it. You've convinced us of that. So now we need your expertise. And he's like, Oh, of course. 00;40;00;24 - 00;40;05;16 Mark So stand here in the exact same spot with the telephone in your hand. 00;40;05;19 - 00;40;06;27 Sarah And look at this telescope. 00;40;06;27 - 00;40;08;05 Mark I'm just a policeman. 00;40;08;11 - 00;40;09;04 Sarah What do I know? 00;40;09;04 - 00;40;12;13 Mark What do I murder? I do so great here. And then George gets shot. 00;40;12;16 - 00;40;14;17 Sarah Who shoots George? 00;40;14;19 - 00;40;19;01 Mark I don't know. I don't know if it's Gillies trying to actually kill. 00;40;19;01 - 00;40;19;27 Sarah Him now. 00;40;19;28 - 00;40;21;03 Mark Because I don't think that's. 00;40;21;03 - 00;40;24;18 Sarah True. No, I think Murdoch arranged for him to be shot. 00;40;24;19 - 00;40;34;03 Mark Why did he arrange for me to be shot? He could have easily fired a blank and scared him because, like Perry, he's a coward. Yeah. Perry's like, God. 00;40;34;05 - 00;40;44;09 Sarah He's not in check in the wounds or anything, But instead they put George in basically a rudimentary bullet proof vest and actually shoot him through the window. 00;40;44;14 - 00;40;47;01 Mark Because of invention earlier. 00;40;47;01 - 00;40;50;08 Sarah On and never mention who's doing the shooting. 00;40;50;08 - 00;40;55;04 Mark No, no. We have to talk about Solomon and some. 00;40;55;10 - 00;40;58;20 Sarah So maybe Station four has a secret sharpshooter. 00;40;58;21 - 00;41;02;07 Mark Maybe I. I like your theory. 00;41;02;09 - 00;41;03;05 Sarah That it's Julia. 00;41;03;05 - 00;41;04;29 Mark It's Julia. 00;41;05;02 - 00;41;06;07 Sarah He did ask her for help. 00;41;06;12 - 00;41;09;27 Mark You know, in a non spoiler way, she's pretty good with the bullet arrow. 00;41;09;27 - 00;41;12;12 Sarah She is. And she does shoot somebody with a rifle. 00;41;12;13 - 00;41;13;03 Mark She does? 00;41;13;08 - 00;41;21;07 Sarah Yeah, but it's not a sharpshooter shot. No, but how many people when George tries to shoot him from a distance through a window. 00;41;21;09 - 00;41;22;05 Mark I guess. 00;41;22;05 - 00;41;24;08 Sarah And not hit him in his head. 00;41;24;11 - 00;41;26;02 Mark Wow. I wouldn't shoot. 00;41;26;03 - 00;41;32;05 Sarah And he's got to trust Murdoch's invention that it's going to save him, even though it does have a metal plate. 00;41;32;10 - 00;41;34;04 Mark Step in front of. 00;41;34;07 - 00;41;36;09 Sarah Between Perry and the window and take the. 00;41;36;09 - 00;41;41;17 Mark Ball back right time. And there's a clock going off at the same time. 00;41;41;19 - 00;41;49;00 Sarah I'm sorry. The policeman's union is not going to approve it. No, H.R. is not going to approve of this. Health and safety is not going. 00;41;49;06 - 00;41;54;05 Mark To Crabtrees one day of training. Did not. 00;41;54;07 - 00;42;02;00 Sarah Know. Oh, no. I don't care how much you trust your boss. I trust my boss a lot. I'm not letting them shoot at me. 00;42;02;05 - 00;42;05;08 Mark Okay, so the boys are right. Paul, back in. 00;42;05;10 - 00;42;12;10 Sarah And do you remember when you first saw this? Did you think that George had actually been shot by it? Like Gillies shot him for a phone? 00;42;12;15 - 00;42;12;29 Mark Oh, yeah. 00;42;13;04 - 00;42;14;19 Sarah So you really thought he'd been shot? 00;42;14;19 - 00;42;23;16 Mark I did. And I also thought for some reason that Perry was the ringleader. I'm watching it now. It's like, incredibly obvious that Gillies is the ringleader. 00;42;23;16 - 00;42;26;18 Sarah Oh, yeah, but the killer was targeting you, Perry. 00;42;26;22 - 00;42;35;25 Mark So Perry's getting the one. The whammy put on him by Murdoch, the Ballocks thing, and Bracken Rigg comes out and talks to Gillies. 00;42;35;27 - 00;42;37;20 Sarah And read so good. 00;42;37;22 - 00;42;41;02 Mark He totally bullies the bully here. 00;42;41;04 - 00;42;44;21 Sarah He's rough around the edges, but he puts it to good use. 00;42;44;21 - 00;42;46;07 Mark Takes his straw. 00;42;46;09 - 00;42;50;01 Sarah Takes his hat, holds it just far enough away that he can't reach it. 00;42;50;01 - 00;42;50;11 Mark Yeah. 00;42;50;19 - 00;43;05;17 Sarah And then so smartly offers him a cup of tea so that when Perry comes out from being interrogated, Gillies is sitting there with a dainty cup and saucer, looking as cool as a cucumber while he's been in there getting grilled. 00;43;05;17 - 00;43;06;13 Mark Here. 00;43;06;15 - 00;43;10;09 Sarah And giving him a cup of tea is so smart. 00;43;10;12 - 00;43;17;18 Mark So now they make the implication here subtly that maybe there's something going on with the boys that is more than murder. 00;43;17;21 - 00;43;26;12 Sarah I didn't get that. I got the They're partners in crime. They're not just friends, okay? I didn't get that. Maybe they're a couple. 00;43;26;14 - 00;43;30;11 Mark I think that's a direct reference to Leopold and Loeb. 00;43;30;15 - 00;43;47;13 Sarah If you don't know about Leopold and Loeb, they were a pair of real people, real men in the 1920s who were students at the University of Chicago who got it into their head that it would be interesting to see if they could get away with murder. They were convinced. They were convinced that they could murder somebody and not get caught. 00;43;47;17 - 00;43;51;09 Sarah Yes. And they were both wealthy and spoiled. 00;43;51;15 - 00;43;54;17 Mark And it was implied in all the press that they were. 00;43;54;17 - 00;43;56;02 Sarah Gay, that they might have been gay. 00;43;56;03 - 00;43;57;22 Mark I don't know if they were they. 00;43;57;22 - 00;43;59;16 Sarah But they killed a little boy. 00;43;59;16 - 00;44;00;09 Mark They killed a little. 00;44;00;09 - 00;44;01;20 Sarah And they did not get away with. 00;44;01;20 - 00;44;06;16 Mark It. And they just did it. And it's worth real killed come through. 00;44;06;17 - 00;44;23;16 Sarah Yeah, absolutely. And they even sort of admitted to it and said, but you can't convict us for it. Yeah. So and they were wrong. And I think Gillies and Perry are supposed to be a reference to them, you know, that would be out of time. They are the very, very similar kinds of killers. 00;44;23;16 - 00;44;24;10 Mark By the way, because. 00;44;24;10 - 00;44;28;21 Sarah They didn't really have anything against Bennett. They just wanted to see if they could pull it off. 00;44;28;22 - 00;44;31;18 Mark Yes. Everybody teleports everywhere in this episode. 00;44;31;24 - 00;44;32;10 Sarah Yeah. 00;44;32;12 - 00;44;36;09 Mark So at the hospital, in the hallway, we get. 00;44;36;12 - 00;44;46;11 Sarah Well because Julia has shot at Crabtree, pocketed the gun in one of her big pockets, apparently. And took to the hospital. Yep. Ahead of George being taken to the hospital. 00;44;46;12 - 00;44;48;09 Mark No, no, George is in the hospital. 00;44;48;12 - 00;44;49;00 Sarah Yeah. 00;44;49;02 - 00;44;54;16 Mark He's paralyzed of the moms. These paralyzed that He will need care for the rest of his life. 00;44;54;17 - 00;45;04;12 Sarah A good man needs care for the rest of his life. Which of you will go to him? Yeah. Were you surprised by which Mom shows up at the bedside? Yes. You thought it was going to be the fanciest. 00;45;04;15 - 00;45;14;17 Mark They're playing with that. Yeah. And it's a little heavy handed with the wheelchair right there. Yeah, but also, hospital goes along with this. 00;45;14;19 - 00;45;39;10 Sarah Of course they do. Julia's a doctor. She's got connections. I guess this is before later seasons where she starts to burn some bridges at hospitals. So, yeah, it's the police there. They're doing a sting, right? Because one of these women is a criminal. The fake mom is lying and trying to take Crabtree for a ride. And that's larceny, I think. 00;45;39;10 - 00;45;43;03 Mark I guess at least at the very least, wasting police time. 00;45;43;03 - 00;45;43;23 Sarah Mm hmm. 00;45;43;24 - 00;45;44;18 Mark Okay. 00;45;44;20 - 00;45;46;15 Sarah Then we've got the big classroom scene. 00;45;46;15 - 00;45;50;08 Mark Murdoch gets to play. Oh, I'm just so stupid. 00;45;50;12 - 00;45;55;13 Sarah All the classes I've taught, I've never got to have a dramatic scene like this. 00;45;55;16 - 00;45;57;26 Mark Oh, you didn't. You didn't reveal a murder. 00;45;57;26 - 00;46;01;07 Sarah No more clever get to do than me. 00;46;01;09 - 00;46;06;13 Mark I did in one of my classes. It was me. 00;46;06;15 - 00;46;16;16 Sarah That's the only way you're able to pull it off is if it's you. Yeah. I like the way that Murdoch sort of pretends to frame it up as a physics lesson about the news. 00;46;16;16 - 00;46;18;10 Mark Yeah, I think so. 00;46;18;13 - 00;46;19;06 Sarah Obvious. 00;46;19;06 - 00;46;29;28 Mark This show is obsessed with that hangman's noose equation. Yeah, it makes reappearance in the future. I think this is not only poor taste. 00;46;30;01 - 00;46;51;16 Sarah Well, you know, that's where the phrase pulling my leg comes from. Yes. If you were hanged. Yeah. And the noose wasn't long enough, so you were just choking? Yeah. Instead of your neck breaking, you would hope that a friend would come over and hang off of your leg. Yeah. To to put you out of your misery faster. So when they say, where you pulling my leg. 00;46;51;21 - 00;46;53;29 Sarah Yeah. That's what, that's what it's a reference to. 00;46;54;00 - 00;47;00;26 Mark And this, this is the scene where Gillies sees Julia for the first time and watches her like. And. 00;47;00;29 - 00;47;15;20 Sarah Well, she is the only woman in the room. Yeah. Now why they put Barack and Reid and Julia on one side of them and put further away from the door than Perry and Gillies are, because you think they're just going to get off, get up and take off at that door. They're right there. There's constables in the hallway. 00;47;15;23 - 00;47;29;27 Sarah Yeah. So the, the rope thing is just putting pressure on Perry. Yeah, but when Murdoch says that he made a list of all of the hardware required to, to set this gun up. 00;47;29;27 - 00;47;35;23 Mark And we see the, the scene where George and Henry go round all the hardware and. 00;47;35;25 - 00;47;42;25 Sarah I'll know and say, Do you have the name of everybody who bought screws in the last three months? You do. Thank you. And you already have it prepared. 00;47;43;00 - 00;47;44;18 Mark No, we don't see that. 00;47;44;21 - 00;47;52;16 Sarah Cool. But you can't do that. I bought screws several times in the last three months, and I don't think anybody could say that I did. 00;47;52;18 - 00;47;56;03 Mark It's more likely they tracked them down by the. 00;47;56;03 - 00;47;57;20 Sarah The sand spot. Sand? 00;47;57;24 - 00;48;03;16 Mark No, The hourglass is a difficult thing to either make or buy. 00;48;03;16 - 00;48;06;24 Sarah Oh, but in Murdoch's version of the rig, it's not. It's a bottle. 00;48;06;26 - 00;48;08;04 Mark Oh, that's right. It's. 00;48;08;10 - 00;48;12;19 Sarah It's just a bottle leaking out onto a tiny tray that catches the silica. 00;48;12;19 - 00;48;18;10 Mark Was my idea. You know, I love those moments where you're like, Oh, shut up. 00;48;18;11 - 00;48;27;10 Sarah Yeah. Gillies It's like, Don't talk, man. Even you can't prove it. It's like it wasn't. It was. It was. Yeah. 00;48;27;12 - 00;48;38;17 Mark We're we're hopefully addicted to a whole bunch of shows, including Survivor. I love it in Survivor or when somebody says something stupid like that and the other person's like, Oh, dude. 00;48;38;19 - 00;48;40;04 Sarah You just said that. 00;48;40;04 - 00;48;41;18 Mark You just blew it. 00;48;41;20 - 00;48;47;23 Sarah Can you rewind time? No. Yeah, thanks. You screwed us all. You know, Gillies clearly knows that. 00;48;48;00 - 00;48;58;27 Mark Oh, by the way, George is perfectly fine. I came to thank you in the morgue of love. Their families who hire the best lawyers. Oh, boy. 00;48;59;02 - 00;48;59;28 Sarah Just wait. 00;49;00;02 - 00;49;01;08 Mark Just You wait. 00;49;01;14 - 00;49;12;12 Sarah Hey, Julia. I know we broke up and everything, and. But we. We work together in this case, so maybe things are going to be okay between us. So I thought maybe I would like, invite you to. 00;49;12;14 - 00;49;17;08 Mark To battery display. No, I have to wash my body. 00;49;17;08 - 00;49;28;27 Sarah Yeah, I have to watch anything. It's better than going to a battery display with you. All right, So out of tides. 00;49;29;03 - 00;49;44;27 Mark So I often when the most disastrous first date award because of her choice, I took a young lady to see Blue Velvet on a first day. Oh, my God. A first date movie. 00;49;45;03 - 00;49;50;13 Sarah Okay, you may as well. I'm taking your mom to go see it like that. That would be worse, but. 00;49;50;13 - 00;49;59;04 Mark Only not of first date movie. And it wasn't good reviews. We enjoyed the movie. Yeah, but we did not go on the second date. 00;49;59;04 - 00;50;01;16 Sarah Yeah. Or speak afterwards, right? 00;50;01;18 - 00;50;09;01 Mark No, I don't think so. But going to the battery thing with me might be the second worst first date. 00;50;09;04 - 00;50;10;15 Sarah Yeah. 00;50;10;17 - 00;50;12;09 Mark Julia's goldfish is still here. 00;50;12;16 - 00;50;16;14 Sarah And poor goldfish must be so bored. There's nothing in that tank. 00;50;16;14 - 00;50;17;07 Mark And then big. 00;50;17;07 - 00;50;19;22 Sarah Bottle and squeeze it through the top. 00;50;19;22 - 00;50;29;04 Mark I'm like the entire scene of George's mom. You're not as mommy. Mommy. And that's probably not because they totally rewrite this part later on. 00;50;29;04 - 00;50;29;23 Sarah Yeah. 00;50;29;25 - 00;50;30;29 Mark So it's like this. 00;50;30;29 - 00;50;34;08 Sarah Disregard it completely. Yeah, but it is kind of a fun little scene. 00;50;34;14 - 00;50;36;08 Mark Yes. Best corpse. 00;50;36;13 - 00;50;37;04 Sarah There's only one. 00;50;37;08 - 00;50;38;11 Mark Only one. 00;50;38;13 - 00;50;40;11 Sarah So Bennett wins best? Yeah. 00;50;40;13 - 00;50;46;14 Mark After the credits, Murdoch gets a job at the university that he got an A-minus. 00;50;46;17 - 00;50;49;18 Sarah I says he go to the battery display by himself. 00;50;49;20 - 00;50;50;13 Mark Probably. 00;50;50;13 - 00;50;54;28 Sarah I think he does actually think he does, because he's not going to miss it. 00;50;54;29 - 00;50;57;08 Mark No. We covered horrible movies already. 00;50;57;08 - 00;51;20;06 Sarah Yeah, we know that Gillies and Perry are going to be tried. Yes, we know that Crabtree and his mother are going to be dealt with, not dealt with. Yeah, and that's about it. Yeah. And University of Toronto goes on. Okay, that's important. And to this day, in a window at 9 p.m., you can see the ghostly apparition of a half naked lady. 00;51;20;08 - 00;51;20;23 Mark Yes. 00;51;20;28 - 00;51;22;11 Sarah No, no, I made that up. 00;51;22;11 - 00;51;39;10 Mark Okay, now we're going to prep you here. Prep you, Sarah. Oh, okay. The characters is arriving in the next episode. A character we do not like. Mm. And she vies for Murdoch's attention. Mm hmm. How many episodes do you think she's in? 00;51;39;10 - 00;51;45;20 Sarah As much as I hate her, she must be in a thousand episodes, But I think she's in, like, two. 00;51;45;24 - 00;51;54;29 Mark She's in three. The next three episodes, I, I promise we won't talk too much about. We hate her. 00;51;55;05 - 00;52;10;17 Sarah Don't punch your TV. Don't want to. But has Murdoch gets a girlfriend But and it's not that it's not Julia. I understand that he can date other ladies, but I hate her. But do you? 00;52;10;19 - 00;52;14;07 Mark The system now, in 93 episodes. 00;52;14;10 - 00;52;18;14 Sarah What's her name doing this? I get her confused with crab trees. Girlfriend. 00;52;18;14 - 00;52;19;23 Mark Later, maybe. Eunice. 00;52;19;26 - 00;52;20;13 Sarah I don't know. 00;52;20;13 - 00;52;21;24 Mark Maybe it's our. 00;52;21;26 - 00;52;22;19 Sarah Woman I hate. 00;52;22;19 - 00;52;28;29 Mark Bad, but we also get robots. Hmm. Okay. Yes, You heard me right. 00;52;28;29 - 00;52;30;22 Sarah Robot robots. 00;52;30;24 - 00;52;34;12 Mark We get Murdoch mysteries doing Hitchcock talk. 00;52;34;16 - 00;52;35;14 Sarah Mm. 00;52;35;16 - 00;52;43;01 Mark Because that's convalescence Episode nine. And then we get Murdoch dot com Murdoch invent the internet. 00;52;43;07 - 00;52;54;06 Sarah And in the background the most annoying girlfriend you'll ever see. Yeah, I'm going to say it it's out of my system now but that would be a lie. 00;52;54;10 - 00;52;56;22 Mark We may mention that she's annoying. 00;52;56;25 - 00;52;58;22 Sarah No, Daddy likes her. I don't like. 00;52;58;23 - 00;53;05;08 Mark September 4th for the next episode. Season two, Episode eight I Murdoch, Which of course plays on I Robot. 00;53;05;10 - 00;53;05;24 Sarah Robert. 00;53;05;25 - 00;53;28;06 Mark Robot September 6th. We'll have the newsletter out and then continue on. Murdoch In September when September is done, we will do Father when Murdoch is done. I think there's two episodes after that though we will take our standard late October break because I have to go to Canada and. 00;53;28;10 - 00;53;31;11 Sarah And everything is up in the air. If there are new midsummer's. 00;53;31;14 - 00;53;32;01 Mark Everything's. 00;53;32;04 - 00;53;32;24 Sarah Hazy. 00;53;32;27 - 00;53;39;05 Mark And which we have a clear sign that there will be new midsummer's released soon. 00;53;39;05 - 00;53;39;24 Sarah Yes. 00;53;39;26 - 00;53;50;05 Mark Midsomer Murders Official Podcast. Meanwhile, and I wish two of those people. I wish them all the best. Oh, yeah, I think. I think that'll be fine thing to do. 00;53;50;05 - 00;53;55;16 Sarah So in the meanwhile, don't be a dick on your dick. Try to stay cool. 00;53;55;17 - 00;54;00;21 Mark Yes, stay cool and enjoy the last few weeks of summer. 00;54;00;24 - 00;54;02;23 Sarah Satan's butt crack by maniac. 00;54;02;26 - 00;54;03;17 Mark Hey, baby. 00;54;03;17 - 00;54;21;05 Sarah I just. If you are near me.