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partij

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posters

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ontworpen

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grafisch

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dacht,

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niet?

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interessant

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posters.

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Precies.

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Enerzijds

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Kruis

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Anderzijds

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verplichtingen,

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haha.

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Maar

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Maar

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activisme?

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vrijwilligerswerk?

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financiële

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vergoeding.

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vrijwilliger.

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meer

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gedreven

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een

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politieke

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overtuiging.

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Hm,

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interessant

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perspectief.

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Ik

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zou

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geneigd

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zijn

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te

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zeggen

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dat

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beide

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voortkomen

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wens

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een

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positieve

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bijdrage

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te

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leveren.

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De

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methode

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verschilt

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alleen.

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Ja,

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dat

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waar.

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Uiteindelijk

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wil

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iedereen

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gewoon

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de

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wereld

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beetje

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beter

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maken.

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Of

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posters

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ontwerpen

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voor

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dierenasiel

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demonstreren

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Malieveld.

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Eigenlijk

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wel.

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Het

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gaat

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belangeloze

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inzet.

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de

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gemene

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deler.

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Oh,

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'belangeloos',

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dat

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mooi

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woord.

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Het

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klinkt

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zo...

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puur.

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Zonder

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eigen

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belang.

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doet

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echt

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voor

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zelf.

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precies.

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En

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dat

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staat

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dan

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weer

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in

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verbinding

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met

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dat

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andere

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woord

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dat

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noemde,

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het

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'maatschappelijk

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belang'.

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grotere

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doel

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waar

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die

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belangeloze

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inzet

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aan

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bijdraagt.

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Aha.

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En

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de

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'voldoening'

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dan

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persoonlijke

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beloning

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eruit

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haalt.

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De

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cirkel

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rond!

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Haha,

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ja,

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zo

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zou

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het

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kunnen

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samenvatten.

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Dus,

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we

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hadden

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het

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over

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vrijwilligerswerk,

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de

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verschillende

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vormen

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ervan,

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van

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de

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dierenopvang

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tot

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actiegroep.

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over

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de

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motivaties

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die

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erachter

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zitten.

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En

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we

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hebben

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wat

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genuanceerde

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meningen

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uitgewisseld

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vrijwilligers

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de

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samenleving

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verschil

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tussen

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helpen

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veranderen.

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Inderdaad!

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Nou,

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ik

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ga

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maar

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eens

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die

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vierkante

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ogen

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wat

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rust

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geven.

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Bedankt

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voor

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het

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gesprek

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weer!

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Jij

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ook.

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Tot

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de

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volgende

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keer,

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Lisa.

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Doei!