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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome

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to the Bible Guys. My name
is Chris and I'm Jeff, and we're

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the Bible Guys. Today we're talking
about some of the trials that Jesus starts

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to go through, these sham trials
before his crucifixion. Yeah, because he

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was just arrested last podcast, and
so he ends up going through a series

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of events being questioned by Annas.
He's going to be questioned by Caiaphas,

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and so today it's only John that
records him being questioned by Annis. That's

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correct. But before we jump into
that, we have a stump the pastor

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segment. Yes, this is written
by Patrick G and Hi Patrick G.

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By the way, thanks for listening. And by the way, I said

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by the way twice in a row. If you do want to write in

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the Bible Guys dot com and we
would love to consider your question for a

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future episode. Yes, so here's
the question. I'll let you take a

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stab at this, Jeff. When
we die, Where do we go before

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the final judgment? It's a good
question. Who asked that question? Patrick

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G. Thanks Patrick, good question. I mean that that's a really,

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really, really good question. Specifically, what we know is Hebrews chapter nine

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tells us it's appointed unto man wants
to die, and after this the judgment.

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So we live after we die,
we all have an appointment of death.

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Turns out life is one hundred percent
terminal, and so you have to

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prepare for that. Yeah, so
we have to prepare for that, and

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then we will stand in judgment before
God someday. The judgment we know according

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to what Paul writes in Thessalonians and
Corinthians and what the Book Revelation tells us

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and other passages, the judgment is
a moment. It's a time at the

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end of all time. Right,
It's this event, let me say it

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that way, not a moment,
but this event at the end of time,

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and when this world has been destroyed, when everything is done and Jesus

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comes back as the victor. So
that'll be the judgment. Jesus talks about

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that in Matthew chapter twenty five as
well as other places. So judgment is

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coming for all of us. While
we're living on this earth, we have

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an appointment. We will die someday, and then we will go stand before

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judgment. Jesus said, we've just
recently read this. I go to prepare

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a place for you. So historically
means, you know, Orthodox Christianity would

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say that that place that Jesus went
to build for us is the place that

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we go to while we are waiting
for for Christians, while we're waiting for

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the final judgment. Then Orthodox Christianity
would say, for those who are not

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believers, have rejected Christ, they
will go to Hell and wait for the

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judgment. That seems to work.
That's fine, but the reality is Two

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Corinthians tells us to be absent from
the body is to be present with the

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Lord. Hebrews says basically same thing, to You're absent from the body to

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be present with the Lord. So
I think that Christians go where God is

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right, that's it. But we
do know at the very end, when

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it's all done, when that judgment
is done, and he separated the sheep

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from the goats, then the Bible
says that he makes a new heaven and

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a new earth. He literally says, behold, I make everything new.

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There's a new heaven and a new
Earth, and the new Jerusalem, which

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is what you and I would think
of as that place Jesus went to build

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for us, comes down and blends
in with his new creation, right,

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and then we spend eternity on this
new heaven where the spiritual blends with the

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physical, right, which is what
I believe originally is what was in the

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garden to begin with. He's just
taking us back to the garden, is

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what he's doing. So where do
we go? We go with God as

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Christians. If we're lost, we
go to Hell as what I believe.

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There's different views on those things,
but that's what orthodox Christianity would say.

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Yeah, so so wherever God is, that's really the only indicator that you

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know that that verse in Corinthians to
be absent from the body, which,

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by the way I quoted every single
funeral is to be present with the Lord.

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So we just know we're in God's
presence. So so the idea of

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you know where in heaven, Unfortunately, the Bible says that not the half

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has been told. That's what Jesus
said, Not the half has been told

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about heaven. Did you know that
Jesus actually talked considerably more about Hell than

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he did even about heaven, so
there was not a lot of a lot

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given about specifics. But hey,
where God is, I'll take that.

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That's right, that's right, that's
right. Like, hey, that's that's

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a good place to be. So
I imagine that wherever that is, we'll

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be safe. So it's not one
of those things to be afraid of.

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It's interesting Paul does not unpack when
he writes about heaven. He doesn't unpack

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the mechanisms or the specifics so much
about heaven, but he does say this

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in Two Corinthians, chapter five,
verse six. He says, so we

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are always confident, even though we
know, as long as we live in

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these bodies, we're not at home
with the Lord, for we live by

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believing and not by seeing. Yes, we're fully confident, and we would

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rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home

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with the Lord. So Paul is
saying, Hey, I have a lot

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of confidence in this. This isn't
something to be afraid of. This is

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something to be confident that when we
leave these bodies we'll be at home with

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the Lord. So where are you
going? To be. You'll be at

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home with the Lord. That's great, right, And I believe that that,

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then is consistent with what Jesus said, I go to prepare a place

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for you in my father's house,
right, is what he says. So

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I think that that's what he's talking
about there. Home is a great word

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in it. Yeah, come home. That's a good question, Patrick,

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Thank you, sir. And again, if you want, I want to

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write us in comments questions, we'd
love to hear him. Yeah, all

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right. Well, hey, we're
going to move on, and we're going

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to segue into John eighteen. And
actually there's a this is the only recording

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Annis questions Jesus, and apparently he's
the first to do so, even before

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Caiaphas, but only John records this. Right. So here's what it says,

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John eighteen, verse twelve. It
says, so the soldiers, their

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commanding officer and the temple guards arrested
Jesus and tied him up. First,

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they took him to Annas, the
father in law of Caiaphas, the high

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priest at that time. Caiaphas was
the one who had told the other Jewish

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leaders it's better that one man should
die for the people. Simon Peter followed

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Jesus, as did another of the
disciples. The other disciple was acquainted with

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the high priest, so he was
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Jesus. Peter had to stay outside
the gate. Then the disciple who knew

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the high priests, spoke to the
woman watching at the gate, and she

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let Peter in. The woman asked
her, you're not one of the man's

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disciples, are you? No,
he said, I'm not. Because it

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was cold. The household servant and
the guards had made it to charcoal fire,

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and they stood around at warming themselves, and Peter stood with them,

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warming himself. Inside. The High
priest began asking Jesus about his followers and

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what he'd been teaching them, and
Jesus replied, everyone knows what I teach.

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I've preat regularly in the synagogus and
in the temple where the people gathered.

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I'm not spoken in secret. Why
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Ask those who heard me. They
know what I said. Then one of

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the temple guards standing nearby slapped Jesus
across the face. Is that the way

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to answer a high priest? He
demanded Jesus replied, if I said anything

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wrong, you must prove it.
But if I'm speaking the truth, are

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you beating me? Then Annis bound
Jesus and send him to Caiaphas, the

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high priest. So there you go, that's it. Well, Jesus answers

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well to any question, always,
always in a difficult scenario, and so

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you know, he just has a
way of responding that it is just really

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not going to get him. I
mean, it's going to obviously going to

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get him in trouble. He gets
left across the face. Yes see,

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but in terms of like violating or
not saying anything that's not true, and

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of course he points it out.
He says, hey, if I say

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anything wrong, you must prove it. I'm speaking the truth. Why are

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you beating me? And then so
then it almost seems like then an last

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has no choice but to say,
I don't know what to do with this

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guy. Yeah, so he bounds
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So I think it's super interesting that
they that won, it says. The

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group that came to arrest Jesus was
the soldiers, the Roman soldiers a contingent,

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it said a commanding officer So this
is a big deal. This isn't

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just a few soldiers, Hey,
go round up Jesus. This is a

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group that needed a commanding officer and
temple guards. So you've got two groups

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of military level people coming in to
get Jesus. But they don't take him

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to the high priest. They take
him first to Annis, who is a

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former high priest. Yeah, and
he would have probably had still a lot

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of power. Well, he's probably
the one pulling the strings, right,

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that's probably he's probably the one who
worked it out to get Jesus arrested,

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because that's why they brought him there
first. Also, there may have been

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a little bit of you know,
Caiaphas and the other priests covering their own

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rear ends a little bit right in
that, you know, if it doesn't

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work out, well Annis did it, it wasn't us. But I think

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there's a lot of power here.
So both Annas and Caiaphas had been high

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priests. Here's what the note says. Annis was Israel's High priest from eighty

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six to eighty fifteen. When he
was deposed by room and rulers. Caiaphas,

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Annis's son in law, was appointed
high priest from eighty eighteen through thirty

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six or thirty seven. According to
Jewish law, the office of high priest

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was held for life. So many
Jews therefore still considered Annis the high priest

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and still called him by that title. But although Annis retained much authority among

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the Jews, Caiaphas made the final
decisions. And then you know, goes

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on and talks about how they clearly
cared more about their positions. But it

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may have been Annis was the one
pulling the strings for his son in law.

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It may have been the fact that
they were trying to let Annis be

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the one that was going to deflect
any pressure in case they got in trouble

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from the Romans. He'd already been
in trouble from the Romans. Or it

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could have been that he was the
one who set all this up to hand

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him over to Caiaphas so Caiaphas can
make the final decision. Well, there's

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a little sort of a chart here
in the Life Application Study Bible that talks

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about the events of Jesus' trial,
and so it says that he first goes

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to Annas, who's the powerful ex
high priest, as found in the Book

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of John, and then what we're
about to talk about tomorrow is that he

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goes from there to he has a
trial before Caiaphas, who's the ruling high

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priest, and then after that it's
a trial before the High Council or the

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Sanhedron, which is sort of like
the supreme court of the religious leaders.

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And then he has a trial before
Pilot, who's the Roman governor. He's

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the highest Roman authority in that area. And then he has a trial before

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Herod, who's the ruler of the
entire region of Galilee. And then he

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goes back to Pilot because Herod wants
to send him back and say, this

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is not my problem, and sends
him back to Pilot, who eventually gives

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Jesus the sentence. And so that
that is really a just a series of

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events. And keep in mind that
they're, you know, they're trying to

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rush this through before the before the
Sabbath and uh, and so this is

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just a first step in a long
process that Jesus is going to go through

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for the night. And it doesn't
say how long that he was there in

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front of Annus, but we probably
know that it wasn't that long because of

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everything that has to happen in these
you know, that certain amount of time.

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Yeah, So I do like the
fact that it says Simon Peter followed

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Jesus, as did another of the
disciples, and the other the other disciple

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was a acquainted with the High Priest
and John. Whenever he talks about the

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other disciples, he's referring to himself. So I like the fact that John

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includes that, and he says that
he was enter in he was able to

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enter into the high priests courtyard with
Jesus. Now you had talked about this

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earlier. What are your thoughts on
that, like, why was he able

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to enter in? So there's some
indication that perhaps a couple things, Remember

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we talked about this, perhaps James
and John were Jesus cousins. It may

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have been that, and that John
and James's parents, probably his mother would

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have been related to priests, maybe
from a priestly family. And so in

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that case, then if maybe Zebede
could have been a priest for all we

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know, because the priests didn't work
full time as priests, except the high

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priests and the top leaders. The
rest of them worked in shifts for a

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certain amount of time per year.
It was drawn by lots and you'd work

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for you know, a month or
a couple of months, maybe three months

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as a priest, and the rest
of the time you just farmed your farm

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and you fished your fish and did
your thing. So it may have been

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that, but there's some indication perhaps
that you know, John did have access,

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but it would have been through his
parents, and so Caiaphas might have

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looked at or I'm sorry and is
here, and Caiaphas may have looked at

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this opportunity to let John in to
see this is what happens to people like

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Jesus. Right. It could have
been that they were being peaceful with him

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to be able to make make make
an example out of Jesus and say,

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hey, we don't go against the
family business, we don't go against this

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this system. This is the system, and this is what happens these bad

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guys. Right. So that's probably
how, maybe how John got in.

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Yeah, so the Bible doesn't say
those things specifically. You got to piece

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all the pieces together. But Mary's
sister may have been one of Mary's sisters

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may have been the mother of James, and uh, yeah, so it's

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really interesting. Well, so Peter
isn't going to deny Jesus for a couple

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more episodes. Here he denies they're
denies him one time right here. No,

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I'm not one of the disciples.
Uh oh, the woman asked Peter,

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you're not one of the disciples.
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He does deny him. But this
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This isn't the three times before the
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twenty six. This is the first
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ones. Okay, so this is
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because he's out in the courtyard.
He's by the fire h and he's waiting

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outside for Jesus. Yeah, so
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outside. Well, I got to
tell you, I can't even imagine what

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the disciples were thinking and feeling and
and you know, so many times when

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we're in the moment, I think
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wonder how we're going to faire.
We always wonder how we're going to do

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under pressure or in persecution, or
you know, when the rubber meets the

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road. You know, I have
a really good friend who is struggling with

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their faith and they're a super Christian
and been a Christian in their whole lives,

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but really struggling with circumstances and things. And I think that, you

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know, we have to allow ourselves
the humanity of doubting, of being afraid,

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of running, of denying even we
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it's just part of humanity. When
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the garden, he's pulling out his
sword because he's like, hey, do

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you know who I'm standing next to? This is Jesus. But then he

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sees Jesus arrested, and then Jesus
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taken off, and I'm sure that
that was probably something where Peter, you

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know, was like, what what
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that now he's under stream, you
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questioned, and so Peter probably would
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savior. So anyway, all that
to say, like, and aren't there

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times in your life? Hasn't there
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bad where just like John the Baptist, right, he's in prison, he's

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about to get his head chopped off. And he doesn't say, come save

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me. What does he do?
He sends He sends messengers to Jesus saying,

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could you just remind me and just
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Right, Because if I'm going to
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hear it one last time that you
are who you say you are. Even

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though he spent his entire life proclaiming
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for the Messiah, and here's Peter
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greatest of disciples apparently, and yet
you know here he is cowering by a

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bonfire. So anyway, all that
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be too hard on ourselves because when
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really really tough, I think that
it's okay to you know, allow ourselves

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a little bit of humanity. That's
what I think. Yeah, certainly denying

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Christ wasn't okay. No, and
Jesus he has to be forgiven for it,

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Yeah, for sure. So but
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is, hey, if Peter struggled, that wouldn't be a surprise that we

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would struggle too. Yeah. I
just think that people just beat themselves up,

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and they're like, you know,
I can't believe I didn't have faith

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in this moment, or I can't
believe I doubted in this moment. I'm

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going through a season right now where
I have so many questions and I'm discouraged,

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I'm angry at God, And yeah, you're right, those things aren't.

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We got encourages at all. It
wasn't acceptable at all. No right,

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But what I'm saying is is there's
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We find comfort in the fact that
everybody's human, is what I'm saying.

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The flip side of that is John
didn't do it right in all fairness,

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So the flip side, so we
can't just say, oh, all the

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disciples ran, Not all of them
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the arrest, but they follow Jesus. And John gets Peter into the courtyard,

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but Peter stops there and and John
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John went with Jesus. John goes
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the only one mentioned at the crucifixion
is John with with Mary. Right,

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So I think when you stick with
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deny him. It's when you stop
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I don't want to go any further. It's getting too scary. I think

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that's when you wind up failing and
you make those you screw up. It's

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the it's the other side of the
story is the other disciple went on and

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he didn't deny Jesus. He was
standing right there. Well, there's something

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about that. And Jesus actually said
behold thy son, right yeah, yeah,

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and and and behold your mother.
And that was to John at the

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crucifixion. At the crucifixion. Yet, so we don't see Jesus or John

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really leaving Jesus through the We don't
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Yeah, but we never see a
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area. And so John doesn't deny
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And I think that that would be
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stopped looking at Jesus and started looking
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habit for Peter right a little bit. It's a thing that eventually Peter overcomes.

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Peter talks about persevering later on in
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talks about sticking with it, and
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It's amazing. Of all the people
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short books about facing persecution and sticking
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does almost even though he only wrote
the two little books. And I think

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that it's a thing Peter learned over
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that this was a struggle for him, that he would he was a tough

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guy, going to cut somebody's ear
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and then he get nervous and it'd
be strong weak, strong, week,

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and then by the time you read
him as an old man, he's like,

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hey, you know, don't be
surprised when persecution comes, and it's

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going to be okay. Jesus is
going to bring us through, persevere to

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the end. And then he does
and he's crucified for Christ. So we

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know that this is a character thing
that he apparently worked on and developed it,

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as opposed to John just walking in
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my issue. John had his own
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this was one of those things.
So I think in this story, what

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we wanted to be is we want
to be John. We don't want to

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be Peter. Well for sure,
for sure. Yeah, And all I

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was trying to point out is that
we've all been Peter right, a lot

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of us, you know, I
would say, in small ways we've all

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been Peter right, but in large
ways, right, there's crisis of faith

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that happened, and I would just
say, even the best of us get

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to that point. So yeah,
it's it's not okay, it's not excused,

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but you know, we sin and
then God forgives us. And sometimes

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I think that people have a tendency
to beat themselves up and they don't forgive

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themselves, they don't allow themselves for
humanity. It's like there are times when

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we're gonna fall and and and those
times are not good. But God is

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gonna, you know, forgive us
and restore us. And he's and he's

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definitely going to treat us exactly like
Jesus treated Peter as we're about to read,

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you know, in the next upcoming
episodes. So well, that's a

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great discussion right there. So that
looks like it's our time. So we

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will pick up tomorrow and we'll see
then all the Bible guys h