Welcome to The DC Beer Show. We are at DC Beer across social
media. Mike Stein. What is in your Stein? Hey,
Jake. I'm actually double fisting 2
beers highlighting women in brewing. The first is Pink
Technicolor Boots, which our good
friend, Lauren brewed with our good friend, Favio, at
Dynasty. Lauren selected, the Pink Boots Hop Blend, which
makes Pink Technicolor boots a West Coast style
Pilsner. It's just really hoppy and delightful.
And as far as a Pilsner goes, it gives you that smooth, crisp
lager finish with that hoppy bite reminiscent of West
Coast Pale Ale. I'm also having Mariana, which is a
Glow, g l o w, the global ladies
of warts collaboration from the
Berliner, Berliner Weiss Brewery from Berlin. It's 4.4%
alcohol by volume. And this comes from hop cask and
wine. Go see our friend, Jared up in
Georgetown. You love to see it. A women
focused Pilsner from Ashburn and GLOW,
the global ladies of work from Berlin, Germany.
Jordan, what are you having this show? I bet most
folks start, like, man, what hazy and from what delicious place,
but we actually went in the opposite direction today. I wanted to shout out Soul
Mega with the, Rhythmi and Beauty black lager. So, you know, mix it up
today on a on a nice spring Friday,
or at least how I hope it feels on Friday and not rainy like it's
been on Tuesday. But nevertheless, sipping the the dark lager
tonight. Brandy, what what do you fancy? What are what are you having
tonight? Hi, Jordan. All of your beers sound delicious.
I am actively drinking the lost
generation. It's so pretty. This vita, it's a
Mexican style lager with Motueca
hops, Motueca hops. But right before
that, I was sharing this delicious
beer from Port City. And it's the Alexandria's
ALX 275, the 275th anniversary
IPA from Port City. They have I like this little
sticker. You guys can't see it because you're listening to this and don't have eyes,
on the podcast. Hopzooka dry hop,
sticker on the corner. I don't know what why that caught my eye, but I
love it. But, yes, this this IPA
is fantastic. My friend Frank brought it to
me, and it was just Frank's birthday. So happy birthday, Frank Chang, one of our
members, DC beer members, and dear friends. So,
shout out to Port City for making this lovely
ALX 275 beer. Yeah. Jake you
Oh. Jake, what are you having? Sorry.
Mike, did you wanna follow-up on Brandy's ALX beer?
I was so eager to thank Frank
for bringing Brandy this beer. But I said if you wanna be as
cool as Frank Chang, you should join us on patreon, patreon.com/dcbeer.
Come join us. Come see cool cats like Frank at
members only shares. Jake, I know you'll bring
something tasty to the share. What are you having this DC
Beer Show? Well, it is a bittersweet
week in DC beer land. And to
honor that, I've got here the very last bottle
in existence of the 3 stars other half collaboration
from 2015, Ricky Rose,
one of the very first beers that beer. To come out of
the, 3 Stars Funkerdome, red
wine barrel aged with blackberries. This beer is now
almost 9 years old. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. That was a other half collab from that see, this was before I even
knew Yeah. About other half. Like, I realized that they used to do all these
hype collaborations, and I used to be a member of 3
Stars. I went there all the time. I live near the where
33 Stars used to be. I had no idea
that it was the other half collab. Because Matt, the owner of other half Matt
Money. Matt Money, and thank you. He was always at 3
Stars, and that is so crazy. Blinking back, that was one of my
favorite fucking beers, and it was Other Half. Oh my god. I gotta tell Matt.
Yeah. Matt Monahan was there with, former other half brewer,
Joe Lally, who I don't know exactly where he's brewing
now, but I think he's somewhere in Philadelphia. I wanna say 2
s p, but don't quote me on it. But for a beer that's almost
9 years old, this has really held up. Little bit of blackberry has
dropped out, little bit more acetic acid. Balsamic vinegar has come
on in. Little less carbonation. The best time to
crack this was probably, like, obviously, in 2015.
2nd best would have been, like, 2 or 3 years ago. But
I cracked this because we in DC beer land just found
out that former beer director of Big Hunt and 3 stars
cofounder, former co owner, Dave Coleman, passed
away. Yeah. It's, it's sad news. It sucks,
Jake. There's there's no way about it. And you're right,
Brandy. When I interviewed, Matt Monahan, summer
before last, about the closing of 3 Stars, he said it's a massive
bummer. He said it sucks. He said we worked with 3 stars before we opened
other half, which is today DC's biggest brewery.
And so, you know, Jake, you tweeted out, you know,
what a what a loss this is. I know, you know, some people that
covered 3 Stars Rise, like Jessica Sidman, who writes for Washingtonian,
you know, quote tweeted you and and offered condolences. And I just
wanna read what DC Brow, which, you know, DC 2nd largest
brewery, DC's oldest production brewery, said. I assume this was Brandon
Skoll, the owner, founder of DC Brow, but DC
Brow posted, the fledgling days of the DC beer scene were truly
magical. We were all working together to build something that didn't
exist at that point in time, and Dave is forever inseparable
from that magic. That is how he will always stay in our
minds. So we honor a toast to Dave Coleman.
If you're grieving, our hearts go out to you, we grieve with you, and we
hope that his memory will be a blessing. Cheers. Well
said. Cheers. Cheers to Dave. Alright. We're gonna
do something to honor Dave this weekend, and that is we're
gonna go out. We're gonna have some beer and have a good time at
beer events starting with, Mike,
you know something about Germany and beer in history. What
is a Furlingsfest? Furlingsfest
is another festival. Not to be confused with
Oktoberfest, not to be confused with
Saint Michael's Day or Saint Michael's Festival,
but Fruhling's Fest, I think you are talking about
Aslan's Fruhling's Fest. Is that correct? That is correct.
It is in Alexandria, not too far from port
city. More on them in a few. It is not in Munich,
Germany, where where often Fruhlingsfest takes place in
Munich, Germany. So yeah, definitely a German
festival in origin. But in this case, we're celebrating in
Virginia, aren't we? Yeah. And there's gonna be, like, a ton of Virginia breweries, ton
of out of towners. And so, like, if you like resident culture during Snally,
Charlestown Fermentary, Casita, Inner
Voice, which is just new to the Northern Virginia market, Firestone
Walker. And so that's Saturday. That should be a good
time. There's also a beer fest at dock
5 behind Union Market. District Beer
Fest, Meet Me For Beers and Cheers, that's gonna have some out of
towners too. Nice to have, like, thick and thin out of Hagerstown coming
in. Jordan, they do a couple hazies at a really
nice southern hemisphere hops. They hit, like at
at all gravities, all alcohol spectrums.
I've had a good hazy from them at 5. I've had a good hazy for
them at 9. Worth a stop if you're if you're on up 70
going that going that way. Yeah. Sold. Sold.
And, also, it was just some you know, I like to see some of the
the Frederick breweries. I think they'll be at, at, Doc
Fyre, as well. So definitely just check it out. It's nice to see the
DMV, you know, coming out, getting together, especially for the
spring weather. And, I'm so sad I missed the the Maryland Craft Beer
Fest, as well. So awesome opportunity to catch some of those
breweries if you miss them there at, Union Market, this Saturday.
I was so sad to miss that event. I actually haven't met missed
that event in several years, but I was very busy trying to paint my
house. But we ended up going
afterwards, on Saturday, to Hellbender for their
last minute impromptu save Hellbender beer fest,
and it was slammed. The news was there. All the
locals were there. All the local industry friends, even the
outs out of town ish, industry friends
came. It was a lovely time, and I think that Hellbender,
you know, met their goals. So I'm sad I missed the the
crappier fest, but I'm sure I'll be there next year.
There's a lot of stuff coming up too that I'm jazzed about. But,
first and foremost, tonight, we are we were supposed
to go visit Port City for the special
beer release. We'll keep you guys updated if that's actually happening.
And now here to talk more about that, I'm here with Port
City's CEO, cofounder, Bill Butcher, and one of
the brewers, Sam Terhune. Bill, Bill, welcome back to the show. Thank
you, Jake. Bill, I'm gonna put the first question to you
because I think this is more of a port citywide
question. I note that you all have introduced, this
Brewer's Cut series. Can you tell us a little bit about
that? How it came to be, why now, and what you all are
gonna be making? Yeah. The the brewers cut series is it's
something I'm really excited about, and I think our brewing team is excited about it
as well. A few years ago, it was I guess, at some
point during COVID, we purchased a 5
barrel tank to do these experiments with. That was to be part of our
barrel aging program as well as to get, this
experimental, brewing program going as well.
So one thing led to another, and so here we are. We've got our barrel
aging program up and running, and now it's time to start with, the
Brewer's cut series. And, really, the idea of it is to
kinda turn the brewers loose a little bit and let them get creative and come
up with, small batches of different beers that we can serve just in the
tasting room for people. And it can help educate the brewers and
educate our customers at the tasting room, and it should be a lot of fun
as well. And I think everybody's excited about it, to be brewing small
batches of different types of beers that we can just put on tap in the
tasting room and, get people's opinions. So, Sam, your
batch is, I believe, an upcoming West Coast IPA.
Yep. That is the plan going forward. We brewed
a West Coast. The inspiration behind it being, you
know, when I got into craft beer back in the day, West
Coast were everywhere. You know, you had your La Canada, Sierra Nevada,
your Ballast Pointe, Sculpin, Firestone Walker. They're just kind of all over the place.
Big, hoppy citrusy beers that everybody loved, and it kinda faded away a little
bit. And I kind of was a little bit nostalgic for it. It picked up
my back a little bit, but I I wanted to to make
one with port city. And so that that is
what we went ahead with. Yeah. Excellent. I mean, it's nice,
from my point of view. I'm more of a clear beer guy unless the beer
is optimal wit, in which case, I welcome that
haze. Yeah. You know? Some some yeast some some
wheat. For the sort of these newfangled West
Coast IPAs, I've noticed the incorporation
of some of the more popular hazy IPA hops.
Yeah. So for what I wanted to do,
I I wanted to stick pretty traditional with it. You know, with
the brew cut theories, we are kind of taking our
original recipe beers and tweaking them a little bit. So
the the main difference in this beer is gonna be the dry hop in terms
of, hops. So Citra is used
a lot in hazy, but it's also a traditional west
coast hop as well. So I I wanted to use some Citra,
cascade, chinook, and strata are the the hops I use in
dry hop. Really hoping to bring out a lot of,
bright grapefruit, lemon lime, pine, dank, just, you know,
big hoppy IPA. That's kind of what we're going for. Cool. Are you
all running this through the hopzooka? This is the the for our
listeners, Port Cities, patented proprietary,
hop back system. So, unfortunately, not for for the
vessel that we are, fermenting this in. There's not a
good attachment for the hapsuka, And also just
the the quantities are so much smaller, you know, from a a
120 barrel fermenter versus the 5 barrel
fermenter. So we're just kind of doing it the old school way. We dumped it
dumped it to the top of the tank. I think the Hapazuka would probably
blow that 5 barrel tank apart. I I still wanna
think that it would definitely my. Yeah. My
under my understanding having seen the Hapzuka is that, it
is of a of a similar size to a 5 barrel system anyway.
I was gonna say it's it's not that much smaller.
Right. So, Bill, you mentioned getting a barrel aging
program, underway. And I've certainly noticed in the
taproom, there are barrel aged beers more frequent more
frequently now than there were, say, this time even last year.
What's that been like in terms of sourcing barrels, deciding
what beers go in, when it's time to release them?
That has been a great program, and it's another program similar
to, the Brewer's Cut series where we've been able
to hand off more responsibility to our brewers and
give them special projects to work on. And so one of our brewers, Drew
Shaw, has really, taken this project on as his own. It's really
his baby. So he's got a budget to buy barrels. He's got a
budget to, buy other ingredients, and he's,
basically got free reign over this program. And it's
been a great educational opportunity for him. I think he's grown
as a brewer, and, certainly, our customers have appreciated having,
the having the the, end result of what he's
been able to work with, available in the tasting room. I assume that we will
see Drew at the upcoming, this fall,
battle of the barrel aged beards. Definitely.
Definitely. That's a big motivating factor for him. He did the
beer, our entry last year, and,
he certainly is gonna be, front and center this year as well.
Excellent. So when I think of Port City and when I
think other people think of Port City, they view Port City
as sort of a little bit more, quote, unquote buttoned up
in terms of the beers that are made and
released and such. But you've got a barrel aged
program. You've got a sour. You've got this Brewer's
cut series, but the first one was a Saison, I believe. What's going on over
there? Are you all okay? Like, she's like, blink.
Blink twice. I and and Sam can weigh in on this as well, but I
would say, yes. We are okay. And, frankly, we've never been better.
Our beer has never been of better quality. We've got a
motivated team that is excited about the new projects that we're working
on. And, again, getting back to the quality, the beer has
never been better, and that's something that we are always working on.
We're always striving, to improve our quality, to improve our
brewing practices, and to make sure that we're putting out the best
quality beer possible. And I think that we've been able
to show that, just by some of the competitions we've entered.
And, you know, I'm really proud of the results that we've had, and
Sam is a huge part of that because he spends most of his time in
our QC lab, making sure that our beer is some of the best in
the country. Absolutely. I I would say
we're more known for, you know, the optimal with the lagers, but,
it's definitely been a lot, a lot of fun doing these newer
things. Like Bill said, bottom line is we're very dedicated
to quality and excellence in our beer,
which I think kind of comes through in the product that we put out.
And, yes, we are okay, but we've been putting a lot of time
into the into our cobblestone sour, which has really
turned out very nicely. Lead brewer, Mike Benesch has
put a lot of work into that beer, and it is it's tasting
great. But, yeah, the the brewer cut series has been great. The
the is fantastic. We did the,
the optimal, which is a pumpkin beer as well, which was a hit.
And then, you know, the West Coast is one more step
down the line of 1 beers we're gonna be have coming out. Jake, you heard
Sam right. He did say, optimal witch pumpkin beer.
The pumpkin beer in 2024.
Right? And I I know that's something that,
you probably thought you would never see from our brewery,
but actual, Crystal Fraley, who who is our,
director of quality control. It was something that she wanted to do for
Halloween, and we thought it was a lot fun. It was a cheeky little fun
project, that we were able to do and have it out in the tasting room,
around Halloween. Everybody had a lot of fun with it. We had fun graphics,
on the tap handles, and we'll probably do it again this fall. When
it comes to this Brewer's Cut series, how do you all get together and
decide what comes next? Like, is there is there a brewing
team discussion, Sam? And so, like, do you and your colleagues, like, you
talked to amongst yourselves, you, Christy,
Adam, Drew, whoever. Hey. Hey. And then, like, then you go to Bill?
Yeah. So there there have been multiple meetings about even just what
kind of coming up with the whole idea of the brew cut series. Everybody
is kind of like, shooting off each other, and coming up
with these ideas. And then we'll sit down, and
then we have kind of, like, an application process. Everybody
comes up with their ideas, submits them, and we can't
logistically be putting these out every week. So we kind of
pick the ones, we vote on them, and then we move forward with the
ones that we're most excited about. Jumping back over to the
cobblestone sour for a minute, you're
using an interesting yeast that's Yeah.
Helping to produce the lactic acid and and souring the beer.
Yes? Yeah. When you all decided it was time for port city to come
out with a sour, and then over, like, course of last winter or
so, you'd see a couple iterations of this experimental sour in the
tasting room, Was this plan because of the
availability of that yeast, or were you all thinking
about a sour and you thought, oh, like, this yeast will be a good way
to do it? Or did the yeast come first? And then you thought, oh, let's
build a beer around this and see what happens. Well,
correct me if I'm wrong, Bill, but I I believe the idea was to make
it sour, and then we kind of landed on the Philly Sour Yeap. Correct?
Yeah. We started with the concept of, okay, let's make a sour. And
then it's like, well, what is it gonna be? And it's not,
all gosa. It's it's different. It's just a sour beer,
and that's why we're just calling it sour. But we looked at different
ways of making it, whether it's a specific type of yeast or if we're going
to adjust the pH. And Adam and Crystal,
who is also our resident yeast scientist,
they were the ones that landed on on on that particular strain.
Bill, you were just at CBC, were you not? The
craft brewers conference? Yes. I was. Do you still sit on the events
committee? I am still on the events committee. Yes. There's a group
of 7 of us. It's run by Nancy Johnson.
It's myself, Tommy Arthur, Sam Calgione,
Bill Kovaleski from, Victory,
and we get together quarterly and discuss ways to make the
Brewers Association events better, the Great American Beer Festival, the Craft
Brewers Conference. That's really the main,
revenue producer. It's really what helps the brewers association.
It's their lifeline is doing events. Any plans to do anything
a little bit closer to the east coast, perhaps the 95 corridor?
Right now, there's not. It's really the Great American Beer Festival is
being rethought for this year. And so they're breaking it up into 5
mini festivals, each one with a different experience. So one is kind of a
Halloween experience. 1 is kind of a sports bar experience. 1 is gonna
be kind of an artist, experience kind of based on
Meow Wolf, in Denver. And so there's all these different concepts,
but the festival has been completely rethought, And, I think it's gonna
be a lot of fun. It was time to refresh that event. And, I think
that that that it's gonna be a great event this year. The Brewers
Association also is still in recovery mode from COVID.
They still have, a much smaller staff than they had pre
COVID. So they're trying to do what they were doing before
with a lot fewer staff. So they've got their own set of challenges.
And, you know, as as everyone knows, Sabre was, was
canceled, and they're just focusing on the events that have
been good revenue generators. What do you have coming down the
pike in terms of the Logger series,
upcoming releases beyond the West Coast IPA, which should be
here, if not this week, then perhaps the week after, week after
that. They yeah. The the, West Coast IPA will be out in the
next couple of weeks. More information forthcoming on that.
But we're really excited about, our ALX
275 IPA. This is an American IPA that,
the city leaders of Alexandria asked us to, work
with them to make a special beer, for the city of Alexandria's
275th birthday this year. So we were,
honored and certainly enthusiastic about creating a
new beer, for this special event. And we released it
last week, and we'll be serving the beer at several events
during the summer, in Old Town and all around Alexandria.
There's gonna be a whole host of activities, to celebrate the
anniversary of Alexandria. Sounds like there's a lot of a, like, sort of
Chico style nutra ale yeast being, throw thrown about
port city recently. No no plans to, you know, London
or Conan that up, throw some more oats, wheat in
there. You never know what Sam's cooking up. Sam, you got
Yeah. I don't know about all that. Well, I know as far as the the
lager's theory goes as well, we do have,
our Keller beer getting dry hopped this week, and then we have our German
Pilsner in the tank as well, which is one of my favorite beers that we
make. So that'll that'll be coming down the pike soon as well, which is exciting.
Yeah. Truly for me, with between the Keller beer and the pills, the most
wonderful time of the year, to Yeah. You know, walk into a Virginia store
and see those 2. Yeah. The Keller beer is definitely a staff favorite.
It's it's one of our favorites, and the German pills has also really been
great over the past few years. So what's it been like in the taproom knowing
that you all you have all these all of these exclusives
there as opposed to what's out in the grocery store, which
is excellent beer, it should be said. But is it
have you noticed, a little bit more buzz and uptick
in on premise, coming off of Brewer's Cut, the
sour, other releases? Yeah. Definitely. The tasting room, we're having a
great year in the tasting room. Like I said earlier, the beer's tasting great.
We've got, know, the brewers cut series. We've got these small lots that
we're releasing. We've got a whole slate of events,
set up through the whole summer. We have a full time events manager and
Julia is just packing the calendar with all kinds of great events,
both in the tasting room, as well as out in the trade in our,
trade accounts. So, yeah, it's gonna be a great summer. We've got, the
like I mentioned earlier, the 275th birthday of Alexandria.
July 13th. There's a huge party down on the waterfront, with
fireworks, and the Alexandria Symphony Orchestra is gonna play while the fireworks,
go off, and we'll be selling. We'll have our, our waterfront
beer garden set up. And then, port the Portside
Festival, will be down at the Old Town Waterfront as well,
June 20th 21st, and we'll be set up selling beer
and and enjoying the great music, the whole weekend. But, yeah,
the tasting room has has been great. We just installed 2 Luker
faucets, for our downright Pilsner as well as our
pizza night, Amber Lager. So people are really enjoying that experience
as well. So there's a lot of good stuff going on. Excellent. Very cool. Sam
and Bill, thank you so much for stopping by. Everyone in our listenership,
if you think you know Port City, you probably don't. Go check them out in
person. Thanks, Jake. It's been great being with you. Yeah. Always a pleasure.
Thank you, Bill. Thank you, Sam. Happy 275th
to Alexandria. Go get yourself dry hop, blow up,
all that good stuff. Alright. Am I gonna see
anybody at Metro Bar on Sunday? I think that
John at Metrobar and I have kind of outdone ourselves with this beer
list. Jordan, there's only one hazy. It's a pale
ale, but it's Nelson Sowvin, Virwaka.
Yeah. Oh. From Blue Jacket. Well, it's also gonna be
delicious. It's not easy. I onions, multiple lagers,
social the thing, Jake. None of these beers are pasteurized.
So the potential for them all to be mildly hazy
is there. What I think you're getting at is
Jordan is known for being an aromatic beer
aficionado. It just so happens that the vast majority of these aromatic
beers are pale ales, you know, double dry hopped, triple dry
hopped, irresponsively hopped, if you will. Yes.
But, you know, the saison can be hazy. There's there's no
harm in that. But I but I should give you credit, Jake, for pulling
out all the stops and really getting a broad
breadth of, DC and DC metro breweries for
this metro bar event. You know what? Mike Stein, that was
a beautifully said statement. Irresponsibly,
hopped. I think that breweries should start they should, like, pay you
for that little, that little segment of
words that you just spoke. I want to
know several things. A, Jake, will you report
back on how amazing this weekend's beer is gonna be at Metro
Bar? I will be heading up to Easton slash,
Saint Michael's, so I'm gonna go visit Lyon Distilling and,
RER and and Tannik, probably. So I will report back
on how those beers are standing up and maybe bring you guys some stuff back.
Nobody would turn down, like, anything from the Teneic Sour program.
Bring me on location, bringing goodies to the DC Bear share,
please, and thank you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
And and, Jackie, you know, I I appreciate you. You're still thinking of of me
and the and the hop heads for even having a hazy option. Pale
ale is is better than no ale. Right? So so, that
that's good. But, you know, I I do think and encourage
people to drink out drink drink more than hazy's. At least try. This is a
variety of awesome craft beer out there. And I'm actually hating. I
wanna miss the the this weekend's playlist, but I'm gonna go out
west instead of Pacific Northwest and, check to make sure that the hops are
growing as expected and, try some beer in Seattle. And we'll
report back, but make sure the Pacific Northwest is
doing their job so that all the brewers are happy. But, I'll miss you guys
this weekend. Jordan, I know we haven't seen you or
heard you on the podcast the last few episodes, and
it's because you were taking as ASL classes, at
Streetcar 82, which I'm donning the shirt. How how did
those go? How did your ASL classes go at Streetcar? They
were awesome. They were awesome. You know, I've actually considered, because you're
I mean, there's $50 for, you know, 4 classes, so just
just imagine $50 a month. Imagine what you pay for Netflix, but you can learn
ASL. So, and also I have craft beer and support a local brewery.
So it's it's really an awesome awesome beer. I mean, having a food truck is
is really dope. So I would encourage other folks, you know, just like you
did, Brandy, like, I would I would encourage other folks to to to check out
ASL courses, and also just check out Streetcar 82 because the
bureau's phenomenal. And I wasn't just drinking hazy's for the record, but Jojo was
delicious. That's that is the hazy I had,
when I was enjoying myself. But, we had awesome beers, and and shout out
to street car 80 2 for sure. Alright, folks. I think that's
what we've got for this week's episode. The next episode after this
is going to be a special one indeed because it's it's
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