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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, good morning everybody. We're the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is who we are. And today we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to start out with a segment. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was going to be listening to an

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<v Speaker 3>episode of This Old.

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<v Speaker 1>House, right, but it actually says you're listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bibble to the Bible guys. That's right, a podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of friends talk about the Bible and fun

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<v Speaker 1>and practical ways. So anyway, Desiree put together a segment

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<v Speaker 1>called Stump the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor and Dump the Pastor.

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<v Speaker 3>These are fun.

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<v Speaker 2>These are fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, you like stump the Pastors?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I like it a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that people probably wish for more of them,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on the question.

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<v Speaker 3>So the day that we're shooting this episode, I'm with

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<v Speaker 3>our Young Adults Ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and a big part of the event tonight we're cooking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're going to do questions.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's open form Q and A. It's literally you

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<v Speaker 3>can ask any question, right, Yeah. Do you like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like the open forum?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there are times where somebody will ask

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<v Speaker 1>you a question that requires a very long answer, and

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<v Speaker 1>and it's usual.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't like long answers. I like long answers.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that, like sometimes the questions, the multitude

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<v Speaker 1>of questions is what's interesting to me, not necessary, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a twenty minute answer to one question that ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the room is interested, That's all I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they ask questions that.

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<v Speaker 1>Require a really long discussion, I'm like, oh, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have preferred to have ten more other questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 3>the long ones because I think one of the arguments

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of times, you know, for people who

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<v Speaker 3>struggle with the church or struggle with faith, they'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I used to go to church, and then

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<v Speaker 3>when I had questions, they were like, just believe it

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<v Speaker 3>because it's in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well that's not a bad answer, or it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a wrong answer, it's just a bad answer, right. So

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<v Speaker 3>I love it when when we can just go, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a reason less you're going to ask a question

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<v Speaker 3>to take a long time. You guys want to take

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<v Speaker 3>a long time on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, And so what I do, what I've what

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<v Speaker 1>I've done, I've only done it once actually, But what

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<v Speaker 1>I've what I've done is I've been in those situations

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<v Speaker 1>where I've said, hey, uh, I probably assume there's about

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<v Speaker 1>ten people in this crowd that are interested in this answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so, after we're done and we dismiss,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be right over here in this corner. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give the long answer to the to anybody who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to listen, because they want to waste the crowds time.

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<v Speaker 1>So and it turns out there was like five people

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<v Speaker 1>and they were riveted, you know, by the answer. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't feel like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Not me.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's getting it. Everybody's getting it's open for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, that's how you manage and control

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<v Speaker 3>open form. Yes, that's rights wax ally coin on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not going to get you eaten alive.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So anyways, here we go stump the pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, this is this is from Tim R.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Tim R.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he wrote in a question her you can

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Nope, it's Tim R.

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<v Speaker 3>Kim R.

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<v Speaker 2>Timmy Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh hey, he actually wrote in uh something that anybody

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<v Speaker 1>can write in and you you want to, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to email us email us at info at the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>guys dot com with any of your questions and we

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<v Speaker 1>might use them in the future episode. Tim writes this,

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<v Speaker 1>if big extravagant miracles were regular occurrence in the early church,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we see them as frequently as today or

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<v Speaker 1>frequently today?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, God fell asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>God is in the restroom.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what That's what Elija said.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I just said that when he was haunting

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<v Speaker 3>the prophets of Ail.

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<v Speaker 2>Is God in the restroom? Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question, Tim, because we do see miracles

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<v Speaker 1>today for sure. But the big extravagant miracles is what

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<v Speaker 1>he said, right, which is take up your bed and

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<v Speaker 1>walk kind of miracles. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. You know your daughter's not dead, she's only sleeping,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so so where are they today? So I got

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you something. It's an interesting thing for me. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I both just went to a conference by

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<v Speaker 1>the Timothy Initiative in Florida, and it's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>how you.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is a church planting movement all around the world. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>in the least reached people groups around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and and and and I have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>be around some of those things. And you always hear

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<v Speaker 1>of extravagant miracles around the world. So you always hear

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<v Speaker 1>of like, for instance, when we were there, Uh, these

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<v Speaker 1>people who I believe in and know personally and trust

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<v Speaker 1>stand up there. And there was this one one Indian

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<v Speaker 1>pastor who shared a story Reggie about a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>became a Christian but he couldn't read and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>he and he prayed that God would uh uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>give him the ability to read and uh and he

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<v Speaker 1>village that he number one one grew up not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to read. And number two, they also knew that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been praying this prayer and he was praying

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<v Speaker 1>this audacious, radical prayer of he just wanted God to

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<v Speaker 1>give him this ability to read.

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<v Speaker 2>And they actually have it on video.

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<v Speaker 1>They showed it on video where he actually picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible and one day just started reading.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but only the Bible, but only the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't read anything else, can't read a newspaper, can't read

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and all of a sudden he shows this

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<v Speaker 1>video and this. You know, here's this guy sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>reading this Bible. And then all of a sudden, ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent of the village became Christians because of the miracle,

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<v Speaker 1>the extravagant miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>That God did.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you and I hear of these miracles, and

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<v Speaker 1>so as being a skeptic, and I don't think people

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<v Speaker 1>truly understand the word skeptic because when I say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ask people think, oh, okay, yeah, I have my doubts too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's not what a skeptic is. A skeptic is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe you. I flat out do not believe

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<v Speaker 1>that sentence. That is what a skeptic is. Until you

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<v Speaker 1>prove to me that that is true. I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, because I'm a skeptic at heart, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>something in me that goes come on right. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that I doubt God in fact, ironically, when I take

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<v Speaker 1>my spiritual gift test, you know what, My number one

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual gift is faith.

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<v Speaker 2>Faith.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's like it's like I'm a skeptic.

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<v Speaker 1>God made me a you know why am I a

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<v Speaker 1>skeptic God? But at the same time, I have faith.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to me serving God, faith is

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<v Speaker 1>just it comes to the surface immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, hearing other people around the world going I just

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<v Speaker 2>Go, come on, And I don't know why I'm that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I sure am.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you saw the video of that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not only that, but here's the thing you have

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<v Speaker 2>And what do they have to gain to lie? And

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are they creating a lie? Where here's this man

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<v Speaker 1>who just becomes a Christian. He's known throughout the village

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<v Speaker 1>of not being able to read, and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a lifetime, quite literally, a lifetime of

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<v Speaker 1>pulling that prank, right, And so then you're just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of forced to look at the evidence to go it

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<v Speaker 1>is a miracle, and it's an extravagant one, and it

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<v Speaker 1>happens around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had a professor who was a missionary. He

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<v Speaker 3>was in his eighties, in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 3>missionary in those explorer missionary times. Yes, in the twenties

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<v Speaker 3>and thirties. Right, Yeah, it's really really.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the missionary gave up their lives and talked to cannibals.

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<v Speaker 3>Well back when you got on a boat, right and

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<v Speaker 3>went to where you were going, right, that's where. And

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<v Speaker 3>he always was in places where there had never been

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<v Speaker 3>the gospel. And so somebody, a student asked the same

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<v Speaker 2>So the same question, we're the same same.

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<v Speaker 3>Question tim is asking here, right, And that is I

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<v Speaker 3>read the Book of Acts. It's miracles all the time. Which,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, there's about sixteen or seventeen miracles depending

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<v Speaker 3>on how you count them, maybe twenty miracles in the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six chapters of the Book of Acts. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>recorded because they're so out of the ordinary, just to

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<v Speaker 3>point that out, by the way. But anyways, doctor Champlain said,

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<v Speaker 3>so when the student said, you know, why don't we

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<v Speaker 3>see miracles today? He said, Oh, where the Gospel is

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<v Speaker 3>moving for the first time, it's still always only miracles.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's happening all the time. He said, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>living a life that needs miracles, God will give you miracles. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But what you think is you're asking for miracles to

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<v Speaker 3>make your personal life better. But God, if you read

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible, miracles are always happening on the front lines

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<v Speaker 3>of where the Gospel is moving. So if you need

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<v Speaker 3>miracles and want miracle in your life, you need to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the front line of the move of the Gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>So God's agenda for miracles is to further his word

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<v Speaker 1>so that people would not go to hell and go

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<v Speaker 1>to Heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, Yeah, that's right. And so that that's the

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<v Speaker 3>that's yeah. Yeah, they're building the largest cross in Africa

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<v Speaker 3>And I've seen people that it just so many stories.

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<v Speaker 3>in that tribe. And God did miraculous things. So God

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<v Speaker 3>God to do miracles for our purposes. Well, when you

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<v Speaker 3>align your purpose. In God's purpose, you'll see miracles. But

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<v Speaker 1>When I traveled in Africa and I went to with

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<v Speaker 2>But the men came to Christ that day, which was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>To heckle you, he told me the backstory, and he

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<v Speaker 1>the women rescued me, dragged me back to the tent,

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<v Speaker 2>And the men.

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<v Speaker 1>The elders of that village laid down offerings of sugar

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<v Speaker 1>bags of sugar, and said, we feel as if we

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<v Speaker 1>have angered your God, because God miraculously caused all of

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<v Speaker 3>You know me there are village right, there's one hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, I'll forgive you on one condition that

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<v Speaker 1>that I am able to uh plant a church here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I have a tree. I have a church

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the tree that you left me under that that

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<v Speaker 1>that that you want to kill me, and and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>went back, had a meeting, came back and said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let you have church under one condition, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as the men attend and we're able to navigate and

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<v Speaker 1>monitor everything that you're saying to our to our village,

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, uh so, then, so the condition is

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<v Speaker 2>Now come on, now, he told me this. I was there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was literally spoken the church there.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke in the church.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I spoke, all I said was is

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<v Speaker 1>that the Gospel is not proven with just words, It's

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<v Speaker 1>proven with sacrifice. And I talked about how Julius Morgart

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice his life. I talked about how our team was

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<v Speaker 1>means that love is proved not with action or not

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<v Speaker 2>And then I used Pastor Solomon as an example.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, he says he loves you, but guess

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<v Speaker 2>And then I used the cross.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and then Jesus love does and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden the men came up and they all turned

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<v Speaker 2>And here I am lucky enough to, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, reap the harvest of all the watering that Solomon did, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden they all come to

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<v Speaker 1>Christ underneath that tree, and I'm just like, this is miraculous.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess I ended up did telling the whole story,

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<v Speaker 1>just not in great detail. But so the only part

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<v Speaker 1>that I left out was before every church service, they

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<v Speaker 1>all had tea, and Solomon would walk around with that

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<v Speaker 2>Sugar, sugar and spread, and he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it in everybody's tea and he'd say, the sweet

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<v Speaker 1>forgiveness of God, the sweet forgiveness of God.

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<v Speaker 3>That's powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>So those kind of miracles happen all the time, every

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<v Speaker 3>day at the cutting edge of where the gospel is spreading.

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<v Speaker 3>So you want more miracles in the life, get a

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<v Speaker 3>part of that, right, And we have the benefit of

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<v Speaker 3>being a part of that. God does other miracles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I've prayed over people that the doctors said there's no

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<v Speaker 3>hope he's going to die this afternoon. That one of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys. He's on our safety team, And this was

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<v Speaker 3>ten years ago, right, and he's up and walking around,

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think this guy's ever going to die.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like he just it's like the energizer bunny. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've been around lots of really incredible miracles. We

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<v Speaker 3>played prayed for a tornado one time, and God gave

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<v Speaker 3>us a tornado seven days later tore down a building

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<v Speaker 3>we needed torn down. Oh that's right, right, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>Those are are few and far between, but they're always

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<v Speaker 3>in alignment with His purposes, not just with our appetites

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<v Speaker 3>or what we want. Right, and so that would be

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<v Speaker 3>it so great question, Tim. Let me encourage you to

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<v Speaker 3>get involved with organizations and things and places that where

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<v Speaker 3>miracles are happening. That's that's what you want to be

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<v Speaker 3>part of, yep, because that's where God's working. Instead of

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<v Speaker 3>asking God to work in me, I want to work

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<v Speaker 3>on what God's doing. Yeah, right, that's what I want.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we took extra time for that, but now we're

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<v Speaker 3>This is good. Yeah, so the reason why we took

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<v Speaker 3>the same, and you're going to notice the same themes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in these right that that was a fantastic stump

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<v Speaker 3>Your corredulous question.

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<v Speaker 2>Here you go.

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<v Speaker 3>A wise child accept us, accepts a parent's discipline. A

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<v Speaker 3>mocker refuses to listen to correction. Wise words will win

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<v Speaker 3>you a good meal, but treacherous people have an appetite

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<v Speaker 3>for violence. Those who control their tongue will have a

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<v Speaker 3>long life. Opening your mind mouth can ruin everything. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a good that's good marriage counseling, right there. Yeah, lazy

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<v Speaker 3>people want much but get little, but those who work

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<v Speaker 3>hard will prosper. That verse three, those who control their

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<v Speaker 3>tongue will have a long life. Opening your mouth can

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<v Speaker 3>ruin everything. These genes make my yeah, make me look fat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right right, well, actually, yes, right right, so funny. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>much but get little, but those who work hard will prosper.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that hard work theme again. The godly hate lies man.

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<v Speaker 3>There's his honesty theme again. The wicked cause shame and disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>Godliness guards the path of the blameless, but the evil

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<v Speaker 3>are misled by sin. Some who are poor pretend to

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<v Speaker 3>be rich, Others who are rich pretend to be poor.

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<v Speaker 3>The rich can pay a ransom for their lives, but

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<v Speaker 3>the poor won't even get threatened. The life of the

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<v Speaker 3>godly is full of light and joy, but the light

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<v Speaker 3>of the wicked will be snuffed out. Pride leads to conflict.

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<v Speaker 3>Those who take advice are wise. Wealth from get rich

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<v Speaker 3>Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a dream fulfilled

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<v Speaker 3>is a tree of life. People who despise advice are

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<v Speaker 3>asking for trouble. Those who respect the command will succeed.

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<v Speaker 3>The instruction of the wise is like a life giving fountain,

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<v Speaker 3>and those who accept it avoid the snares of death.

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<v Speaker 3>A person with good sense is respected, a treacherous person

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<v Speaker 3>is headed for destruction. Wise people think before they act.

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<v Speaker 3>Fools don't even brag about their foolishness. An unreliable messenger

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<v Speaker 3>stumbles into trouble, but a reliable messenger brings healing. If

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<v Speaker 3>you ignore criticism, you'll end in poverty and disgrace. If

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<v Speaker 3>you accept correction, you will be honored. It is pleasant

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<v Speaker 3>to see dreams come true, but fools refuse to turn

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<v Speaker 3>from evil to attain them. Walk with the wise and

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<v Speaker 3>become wise. Associate with fools and get in trouble. Trouble

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<v Speaker 3>chases sinners, while blessings reward the righteous. Good people leave

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<v Speaker 3>an inheritance to their grandchildren, but the sinner's wealth passes

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<v Speaker 3>to the godly. A poor person's farm may produce much food,

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<v Speaker 3>but injustice sweeps it all away. Those who spare the

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<v Speaker 3>rod of discipline hate their children. Those who love their

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<v Speaker 3>children care enough to discipline them. The godly eat to

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<v Speaker 3>their hearts content, but the belly of the wicked goes hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a bunch of good ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've heard you quote hope deferred makes the heart sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard you quote that one hundred times.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, people get angry and upset is because they were

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<v Speaker 3>expecting something that didn't happen, right, And so you just

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<v Speaker 2>Right and so there's wisdom and trying to not be

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, So you shouldn't be the person to give

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. It's hard to lead long term if you're

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<v Speaker 3>constantly making people sick instead helping fulfill the dreams. Right

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<v Speaker 3>to the other side of.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, right, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you noticed how often he talks about accepting criticism

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<v Speaker 3>wise people accept criticism wise people?

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<v Speaker 1>He said two weeks ago or last week, I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you mentioned about Dave Harrington.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you say? He made a comment something is love?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it criticism?

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<v Speaker 3>Candor? Candor is love?

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<v Speaker 2>Candor is love?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Candor is caring? Yeah, can is caring, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and uh and and by the way, that's

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that the person who's being you know, giving you

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<v Speaker 1>the candor is uh saying the right thing, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>a godly person, right and their wives.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's probably what you have to sort wisdom out.

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<v Speaker 3>And the only way you can sort out wisdom is

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, does it align with scripture? Does it

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<v Speaker 3>go against scripture? And secondly, how often does he mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>common sense? Right? So does it? Does it make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've all received criticism from a fool and that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what it's talking about out here, right, He's not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Hey, pay attention to the criticism from a fool, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not going to get you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, poverty versus prosperity.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to sort out. Are they a wise person?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right? That's right. So I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to say, I saw verse twenty here walk with

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<v Speaker 3>the wise and become wise, and I was thinking, you

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<v Speaker 3>have just gotten wiser and wiser and wiser as I've

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<v Speaker 3>known you.

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<v Speaker 2>Chad so much time.

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<v Speaker 3>Chad, you got me, you got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go. Hey, you finally you finally, Uh

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't play the higher road.

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<v Speaker 1>You got me, You got good Chad like that too, Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely take one for the team. I want to I

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<v Speaker 3>want to point out one. And this might be contrary

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<v Speaker 3>from a pastors from what you would think of pastors say,

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<v Speaker 3>but verse twenty two says good people leave an inheritance

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<v Speaker 3>to their grandchildren. King says leaving inheritance to their children's children. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>But the sentner's walk passes to the passes to godly.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have this tension of Jesus, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>tells us to be generous. All these things the Bible

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<v Speaker 3>tells us to be generous. The Bible commands us to tithe.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten percent of our resources should go to God's kingdom. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's rent for living on the planet. God promises us

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<v Speaker 3>to bless us when we'd get there. He doesn't pronom

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<v Speaker 3>us to bless us when we're not there. So tithe

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<v Speaker 3>is the beginning. But then above our tithes and offerings,

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<v Speaker 3>he tells us that we should be generous people. And

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<v Speaker 3>so Christians have a hard time. Does that mean I

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<v Speaker 3>should give everything away? I feel guilty?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel Oh, I got so much blessed it. Never

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<v Speaker 3>feel guilty about God's blessing in your life. And as

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<v Speaker 3>a matter of fact, it says a good person is

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<v Speaker 3>going to build generational wealth, right right. So what I

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<v Speaker 3>found is, as we've obeyed God with our tithes, God

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<v Speaker 3>has blessed us beyond my comprehension to this point. As

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<v Speaker 3>we've stepped out and been more generous the bo over

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<v Speaker 3>and above our tithes and we begin giving offerings, God continues,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't outgive God God, but He's also given us

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to begin to build wealth that would go

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<v Speaker 3>beyond us. Right, And there is something about that that

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<v Speaker 3>you should have a good plan. A lot of Christians

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<v Speaker 3>have no financial plan. You don't have and there are

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<v Speaker 3>so many mechanisms to be able to give God even

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<v Speaker 3>more if you knew about how taxes work, and how

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<v Speaker 3>inheritances work and all these things. There's so many things.

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<v Speaker 3>But we need to be diligent in that area. And

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<v Speaker 3>the huge majority of Americans have not been diligent in

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<v Speaker 3>planning for what happens after them. And so I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to encourage Christians that are listening today if you

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<v Speaker 3>need help, we have a team at Heritage at our church.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're here in southeast Michigan, we have a team

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<v Speaker 3>that's moving into this area to help people make good

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<v Speaker 3>plans for the future. Not to get money from you,

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<v Speaker 3>but just we believe that this is a biblical idea. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's a biblical concept to prepare to leave in inheritance

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<v Speaker 3>to your children's children. Yeah, and there's something about that well,

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<v Speaker 3>preparing for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to be honest when I when I

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<v Speaker 1>went into ministry, it was a small this church, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and Liz, my wife, looked up to our lead pastor

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<v Speaker 1>at the time and his wife. They were sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who she wanted to be, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful people. And I remember surrendering to ministry. I use

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<v Speaker 1>that word surrender, right, you know, instead of volunteering a

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<v Speaker 1>ministry or call to ministry. We back then we said

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<v Speaker 1>surrendered the ministry, as if as if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>struggle and as if like you're gonna have a life

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<v Speaker 1>of difficulty, right. And I remember them sitting me down,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what they said. They said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>go into ministry, you will be poor. They said, you

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<v Speaker 1>will be prepared to cut coupons, be prepared to live

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<v Speaker 1>on nothing and have hand me downs and make your

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<v Speaker 1>own clothes. And I'm not even kidding, I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>saying things that aren't true. I'm legitimately telling you that

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<v Speaker 1>they said you will be poor. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>that ministry is, and so just expect it. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I went to my first job and they said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the church of one hundred and eighty people, and they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to hire you at twenty eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>with no insurance. We're not going to pay you any insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay. And then over the next seven years

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<v Speaker 1>when I worked there, I put like twenty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on my credit cards for every medical need that we had,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I was always taught from the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>that you know. And yet you know, it took me

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to figure out. It's like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that you know. There's not the biblical model, right,

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<v Speaker 1>right Jesus. It says that Jesus didn't have a place

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<v Speaker 1>to lay his head, but it didn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>was poor, right, right, right?

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, Well, one of the wisest Christian men I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever met challenged me when I was younger, with the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of building a life ten ten to eighty. You

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<v Speaker 3>ever heard that, yep? And so he said, give God

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<v Speaker 3>the first ten percent, save the second ten percent, and

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<v Speaker 3>then and then live on the eighty percent, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>he said that sets you up to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>fulfill this verse. And he quote this verse specifically you

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't begin planning today to put money aside,

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<v Speaker 3>you will never have the ability to fulfill Proverbs, chapter

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<v Speaker 3>chapter what thirteen, verse twenty two. Yeah, leave inhering to

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<v Speaker 3>your children's children. You have to make that plan, so

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<v Speaker 3>prepare and I said, okay, that's what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I haven't always been perfect at it, but we're

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<v Speaker 3>getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome way.

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<v Speaker 1>That is our time, and so hopefully we will see

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<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow on the Bible gush