1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,640 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,640 And my name is Bri. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,640 We are two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Get comfy. 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Hello. 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,760 Hello. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:39,880 We're coming to you live from not Disney. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,880 And also we're not live. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,880 So there you go. 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,880 I feel barely living. 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:52,880 Earlier today, I said something about to my daughter about like, where's Auntie or whatever. 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,160 And she was, I think she's dead. 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,120 Because that's my response to everything. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,120 Probably dead. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,120 Probably dead. 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Passed away. 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Deceased. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,960 So that's what happened to you today, even though you didn't know it. 23 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:06,960 I felt it. 24 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:07,960 Well, there you go. 25 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:08,960 I felt it in my knees. 26 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:10,800 I felt it on my nose. 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,240 I saw a TikTok. 28 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,880 No, it wasn't a TikTok. 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,160 It was an Instagram post. 30 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,680 And it was like, in reality, I'm 19, but my knees are 74. 31 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,680 My soul is 99. 32 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,760 And I was like, wow, she really Frankensteined herself. 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,480 I feel the same way. 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Okay. 35 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:35,240 But speaking of posts about your body, what was that Bri found this post about like, if 36 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,920 you were born in the 90s, you have a freckle right in this spot on your arm. 37 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,320 Oh my gosh. 38 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,160 Everybody who was born in the 90s, take a look at your left arm. 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,400 At least it's on our left arms. 40 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,840 It's on our left arms. 41 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Kind of like go palm up and look maybe two inches from your elbow. 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,200 Is there a freckle there? 43 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Because there's definitely freckle in mine and Alyssa's. 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,520 What is that? 45 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,680 I don't know. 46 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,600 Was it some kind of vaccine? 47 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 That's a weird spot to get a vaccine. 48 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,680 That would be a strange spot. 49 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,240 But like skin stretches, I guess. 50 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,360 Well, but you're not going to get a freckle though. 51 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Was that our chicken pox vaccine? 52 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,400 I'm absolutely sure they didn't give it to us on our inner elbow. 53 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Doctors. 54 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,000 Can you explain? 55 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,980 All the doctors out there listening. 56 00:02:20,980 --> 00:02:24,200 And I'm not just talking medical doctors. 57 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:30,040 I'm talking, are you, do you have a doctorate in paleontology? 58 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Please explain this to us. 59 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Do you have any answers? 60 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,240 Because TikTok was not helpful in this particular instance. 61 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,480 No, it was just like, Hey, by the way, look at your arm. 62 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,600 It didn't give any other, like nothing else. 63 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:49,240 I feel like so many of those things, it's like astrology, you know, when you get your 64 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,240 fortune for the day. 65 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,240 I don't know what they call it. 66 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,360 What do they call it? 67 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,160 Your astrological prediction for the day that they put in the newspaper or whatever. 68 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Don't ask me. 69 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,680 I am not the right one to ask. 70 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,680 I seem like I should be, but I'm not. 71 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,640 But they put things in such a general way. 72 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:09,200 They're like, you're going to meet a human today and they're going to say words to you 73 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,840 that obviously it's going to apply. 74 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,760 But that is wildly specific. 75 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Yeah. 76 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,400 And for it to apply to both of us. 77 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,520 Freckles, left arms. 78 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Off to the left side of your inner elbow. 79 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Yeah. 80 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,000 It's wild. 81 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,600 We should repost that so that people can figure out if they also have that. 82 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,240 I should ask our other people that I know born in the 90s. 83 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Also is it applicable to other people born in the 80s? 84 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:34,920 Check your elbows. 85 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,920 Yeah. 86 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:36,920 Are they there? 87 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Do you have a freckle? 88 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,920 I need to know. 89 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Mom? 90 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Dad? 91 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,600 That's the only people. 92 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,600 These are the only people we know, guys. 93 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,400 We know mom and dad. 94 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,400 That's it. 95 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,400 End of the list. 96 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,200 And they can be your mom and dad too. 97 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,080 For the low, low price of $19.99. 98 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,080 I got a mother for sale. 99 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,080 25 cents. 100 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,320 We'll keep our dad though. 101 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Oh, will we? 102 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,320 Well, he has the DVC points. 103 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Yes. 104 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,320 And that's what matters. 105 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,320 Mom? 106 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Sorry, mom. 107 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,320 You're going to buy us some more DVC points. 108 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,320 It depends on how much we sell her for. 109 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,320 25 cents is not going to get us very far. 110 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,320 No. 111 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,240 What do you think she's worth? 112 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Our mom is like one of the first people that listens to these episodes every week. 113 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 So sorry, mom. 114 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,520 She's a big supporter. 115 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,520 She's a big supporter. 116 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Of her very, too talented, beautiful, thriving other words. 117 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Daughters. 118 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Daughters. 119 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:40,880 You forgot the word daughters? 120 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,600 No, I was trying to think of other descriptors and I ran out of them. 121 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,360 Bree has a limited number of adjectives in her brain. 122 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,360 That was it. 123 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,360 That was all of them. 124 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,720 Beautiful, talented, and the list ends. 125 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,280 Oh wow. 126 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:56,320 Hurtful. 127 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,280 We could have been smart. 128 00:04:58,280 --> 00:04:59,640 I said talented. 129 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,640 That encompasses many things. 130 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Does it encompass smart? 131 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Yeah, it does. 132 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,640 No, it doesn't. 133 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Yeah, it does. 134 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,640 You're talented in smartness. 135 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,640 What? 136 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,800 That statement does not really back itself up. 137 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,120 But we're beautiful. 138 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,200 That we are. 139 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,200 And that encompasses a lot. 140 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaking of beauty. 141 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Oh. 142 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:24,200 What a great transition. 143 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Bree and I have discovered that we are eerily the same person. 144 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,560 There are times where I think we're very different because personality wise, Bree will open the 145 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,880 window of the car and sing at the top of her lungs at passersby. 146 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,360 And I'm melting into the seat next to her. 147 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920 You're like, hide me. 148 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,000 So there's those moments. 149 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,920 But then a huge percentage of the time, she'll say the thing that's in my head and I'll say 150 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,160 the thing that's in her head or we just say it at the exact same moment. 151 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,520 And it's like weird things. 152 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,320 It's not common things. 153 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Really obscure stuff. 154 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,200 We're always thinking the same. 155 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,320 It's really frightening. 156 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,120 I think maybe people should check on us, but maybe we're okay. 157 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Maybe we just have morphed into the same person. 158 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,400 It's very possible. 159 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,560 You don't have curly hair yet though. 160 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,600 You've got to work on that. 161 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,160 Technically, I do. 162 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,240 I just avoid it. 163 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Stop avoiding it. 164 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,520 I identify as not having curly hair. 165 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,240 It's not really working for you. 166 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,120 It's really actually damaging my hair. 167 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,040 I'll get you a whole routine. 168 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,040 It'll be great. 169 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,040 I don't want the routine. 170 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,000 The people out there with the curly hair, they want you to have the routine. 171 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 No. 172 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 They do. 173 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 They're like, I understand. 174 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 It's a lot. 175 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Peace be with you. 176 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 All right. 177 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,320 We've got to get to a point at some point. 178 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,760 So Bathsheba. 179 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,000 So if you did not listen to last week's, we started a series on Bathsheba. 180 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,200 We're going to do three, possibly four episodes. 181 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:06,520 We've actually been talking a little bit about what we want to go into and it's kind of extensive. 182 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,000 So we may extend this out for, I don't know. 183 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 It's our podcast. 184 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 We'll do what we want. 185 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,280 It's our podcast and not yours. 186 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,920 But should we come up with a nickname for Bathsheba? 187 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,720 Because Bathsheba is a mouthful. 188 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,040 It is a long name to pronounce. 189 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,040 I'm thinking Babs. 190 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Oh, okay. 191 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Sure. 192 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,040 That feels respectful. 193 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,560 It's different than what I call the dog. 194 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,440 Babs. 195 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,120 So last week we talked, we kind of went through the actual biblical story. 196 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,880 So if you didn't listen to that, listen, you might want to actually go back to that one, 197 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,760 listen to that one first and then come to this one because it'll help inform what we're 198 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,760 talking about this week. 199 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,920 If you want to spend about two hours with us, then you can go back. 200 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,560 We're a super amazing time. 201 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,020 I think that that sounds like a great way to kill a Saturday morning. 202 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:59,240 We have looked at some of our statistics and some people are doing that. 203 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Yeah. 204 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,760 There have been some people, like seven straight episodes in a row. 205 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,800 And I'm like, whoa, that's a lot of me. 206 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,800 That's a lot of Brie. 207 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,280 That's a lot of me. 208 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,880 But if you're having a good time, make sure you have a mimosa along with it because that 209 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:15,880 sounds even better. 210 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Yeah. 211 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,480 I think we're way more interesting with a mimosa. 212 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,720 Well, I know we are because I've had a mimosa while being with you and it is more interesting. 213 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,720 I need to get back on topic. 214 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,720 Let's talk about Babs. 215 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,000 All right, Babs. 216 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,800 So this week we're going to talk a little bit more about the research behind the topic 217 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,080 and people who are smarter than we are, frankly. 218 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Most people. 219 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Uh-uh. 220 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,080 That's true. 221 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,480 One of the articles we're going to focus on, there's a few we're going to talk through, 222 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,480 but one of them is from our good friend, Marg. 223 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,480 Our good friend Marg. 224 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Different than our best friend Beth. 225 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Different than that, yes. 226 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 So our good friend Marg. 227 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,360 She is incredible. 228 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,280 We've talked about her before. 229 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:04,240 She is, the title of her blog includes her name and then exploring the biblical theology 230 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,960 of Christian egalitarianism. 231 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,160 And I'm assuming you pronounce her last name, Maskowitz. 232 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,160 That's not it. 233 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,920 She actually, I discovered that she has an about section and it does have the pronunciation 234 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,600 of her name, but I'm not going to try it because I don't want to. 235 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Does she have a son named Fievel? 236 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:21,880 I don't think so. 237 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:22,880 To see a little mouse. 238 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:23,880 I don't think so. 239 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:24,880 Was Fievel a mouse? 240 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:25,880 Fievel was a mouse. 241 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Okay, good. 242 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:27,880 Just checking. 243 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:34,800 So the article that we're going to talk about first is called A Sympathetic Look at Bathsheba. 244 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,840 And we talked a little bit last week about the perceptions around this story, around 245 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:47,320 who Bathsheba was and why she got this really horrible reputation. 246 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,440 Because it's really not written into the Bible in any version. 247 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,800 So, like I said last week, I read through four different versions of this story and 248 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,720 it's a hard story in and of itself. 249 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,740 So reading through four versions is tough. 250 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:09,040 But I really wanted to get an overview of the newer versions of the Bible, some of the 251 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,040 older versions of the Bible. 252 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:16,080 I read it in the ESV, the KJV, the NIV and the message. 253 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,520 And if those are very confusing acronyms for you, they're all just different versions of 254 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,240 the Bible. 255 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Most of them are translations. 256 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,360 And if you want to learn more about those things, I recommend researching the purposes 257 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,760 behind why they were written. 258 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,000 We could do a whole episode on that. 259 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 We really should. 260 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,160 But anyway, we're going to look at this article right here. 261 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,680 I've got it pulled up. 262 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:44,480 And one of the things that stood out to me, I'm not going to read through her whole article 263 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,560 because it is intense. 264 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,760 It's extensive, but she's a scholar. 265 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,960 She's just so incredibly smart. 266 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,280 But one of the great things is that she references every Bible verse that she talks about, every 267 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,580 research piece that she's looking at. 268 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:06,800 So if you want to check her out, would highly recommend that reading this article yourself. 269 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:12,400 So one of the first things that she talks about is whether or not Bathsheba was naked. 270 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,400 Love that. 271 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:19,840 Because when you picture, if you know the story of Bathsheba, most people are picturing 272 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:27,680 her on her own rooftop, in a bath, naked, on purpose seducing David. 273 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:33,840 Like standing there posing, oh, I'm seductively washing my body. 274 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,360 Where's my dove soap? 275 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Oops, I dropped it. 276 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,720 But what Mark talks about is super interesting to me. 277 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,560 So kind of just the backstory of just this little bit of the story is that King David, 278 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,920 who is the king of Israel at the time, goes onto his roof in the middle of the day at 279 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,520 one point when he's not supposed to be home. 280 00:11:54,520 --> 00:12:03,360 He's supposed to be at war and looks out on the expanse and sees Bathsheba, who we don't 281 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,640 know that he knew prior to this moment, but he sees her and she's bathing and he finds 282 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,640 her very attractive. 283 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:11,640 So that's the beginning of the story. 284 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,440 He goes bow chicka wow wow. 285 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,520 I mean, really he does. 286 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:23,200 And so the assumption has been A, that she's on her roof, B, that she's fully naked. 287 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Now the on her roof thing, I'm not exactly sure where that came from. 288 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,080 I think we're getting it confused just as a people because he was on his roof. 289 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,080 For sure. 290 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,080 For sure. 291 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,280 But it just says she was within her home. 292 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,560 As Mark says, at the time women didn't have the luxury of a private bathroom in their 293 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:45,560 home. 294 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:46,560 That was not a thing. 295 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,120 I wasn't a thing for a long time. 296 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Think like, I'm thinking Pride and Prejudice. 297 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,160 They just hauled a bathtub into the bedroom. 298 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:04,400 So you've got to think everyone, men, women, children, are bathing semi publicly, not like 299 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,560 out in the open, but like potentially with an open window in some space or in their courtyard 300 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:15,880 or something along those lines with the expectation that like, oh hey, no peeping Toms are going 301 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,920 to be on their rooftops staring down at me. 302 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Fair assumption. 303 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:28,480 I would hope that most people out there are showering thinking there's no peeping Toms. 304 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,560 Unfortunately for Bathsheba that was not true. 305 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:33,100 So we assume that she's on her roof. 306 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:34,100 That's not biblical. 307 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:35,680 That's not what the Bible says. 308 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,520 It is in all kinds of resources. 309 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Like there are tons and tons of resources saying she was on her roof. 310 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,400 I've heard countless sermons saying she was on her roof. 311 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,080 And again, the implication is always she's doing this on purpose. 312 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,280 She's purposely on her roof. 313 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Shame on her. 314 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Now the reality is that, and we talked about this last week, David shouldn't have been 315 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,240 home. 316 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,680 So even if she was purposely on her roof, why would she have been purposely on her roof 317 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:09,280 when David wasn't supposed to be hung if she was trying to seduce the king, if that was 318 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,140 her goal? 319 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:13,960 So then let's talk about the nakedness aspect. 320 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Oh, the nakedness of me. 321 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,600 I think in here in 2024 where we sit, we like to take our culture and push it all the way 322 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,600 back. 323 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,600 Yeah. 324 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,480 And to us, of course you bathe naked. 325 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Unless, wasn't it Ross from Friends who's like never nude? 326 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Or was that just something? 327 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,640 That was on, oh, what was that show that Netflix brought back? 328 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,120 I just remember quoting that with my friends in high school. 329 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Arrested Development. 330 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Was it that? 331 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,120 Never nude. 332 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Yeah, it was like a club. 333 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,120 It was like the never nude club. 334 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,560 Yeah, so unless you're those people. 335 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:54,840 But like for the most part, we are showering and bathing naked because we have complete 336 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,840 privacy. 337 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Again, for the most part. 338 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,880 I don't know your situation, but- 339 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,960 And also you can get in all your cracks and your crevices. 340 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,960 Thank you for that. 341 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,840 You're a nigger if you're nude. 342 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,600 And so we assume that that would have been the case all throughout history and time, 343 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,600 right? 344 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:19,640 But now this is not proven one way or the other, but as Mark points out, culturally 345 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:25,840 you would not have necessarily been naked when you were bathing because you didn't have 346 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,520 an expectation of complete and total privacy. 347 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:35,760 So there is a fully large possibility that she wasn't naked at all. 348 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,560 She wasn't on her roof and she wasn't naked. 349 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:43,760 And that culture was pretty concerned with- now this is just my thought. 350 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,700 I would think that they were pretty concerned with modesty specifically for women at that 351 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:49,700 point in time. 352 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:50,960 So it would be a little odd. 353 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,920 Yeah, for her to be fully naked. 354 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Yeah, and so that could have meant, you know, as I'm washing this part of my body, I'm covering 355 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,800 up this part of my body as, you know, whatever. 356 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,480 So she probably would have been less covered than normal. 357 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,440 Like she wasn't in full robes. 358 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Again, expectation of privacy. 359 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,260 Expectation of privacy, guys. 360 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:21,040 She had a reasonable reason to assume nobody was going to see her. 361 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,800 So then the next thing that's important to talk about in this article, and I'm going 362 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,920 to speed through this one a little bit so we can get through some more. 363 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,480 How fast? 364 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Fast. 365 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Like the wind, bullseye. 366 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:39,480 So the next important aspect of this that we didn't talk about last week is her age. 367 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:46,640 So at the time, and you know, culturally it's different now what is acceptable for an age 368 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,640 difference. 369 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,520 They didn't think like, okay, over 18. 370 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,520 Right. 371 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,520 Right. 372 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,200 There was definitely a- girls were getting married in their early to mid teens was the 373 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,940 expectation and the men were not necessarily that young. 374 00:17:01,940 --> 00:17:05,760 They may have been younger, but they probably wouldn't have been that young. 375 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,480 At this point, David has many, many wives. 376 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,120 So we assume he's older. 377 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:15,800 Now she was able to conceive a child as we learn later in the story. 378 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,320 So she's at least old enough to have a period. 379 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,320 To have a period. 380 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Right. 381 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,320 She's gone through puberty. 382 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,400 But, I mean, that can happen quite young. 383 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,840 Think about when you started your periods out there. 384 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:28,840 If you're- 385 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Women. 386 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Oh, women. 387 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:31,840 I don't know if it's- 388 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,840 I started when I was 10. 389 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,840 Thank you for that information. 390 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,080 People are getting really serious over here. 391 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,360 Listen, that could be a security question. 392 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,360 Now you know that about me. 393 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,840 Oh, is that a security question? 394 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Feels invasive. 395 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,840 For the woke community. 396 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Ah, yes. 397 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Yeah. 398 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:53,960 And I think based on what I know of science that we are starting, like women are starting 399 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,240 their periods younger, so it might have been a little bit older. 400 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,320 You could say maybe 13 or something like that. 401 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,880 But she was at least that old. 402 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,960 However, it seems like she was quite young. 403 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:13,520 The rest of the accounts, like not biblical, but other historical accounts of her make 404 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,440 her quite young. 405 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,240 So we can assume probably based on the time period, based on the fact that she didn't 406 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:28,720 have any children yet that we know of, that she was probably recently married, and that 407 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,800 David was staring at what was likely an underage child and lusting after her. 408 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,240 And again, the expectations at the time were different, but still I think that's an important 409 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,040 point to bring up because it humanizes her too. 410 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,680 It really helps you see her as the victim in this story. 411 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,680 Yeah, absolutely. 412 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Which is what she was. 413 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,680 Right. 414 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:57,880 And not only was she a child, as we've talked about, she was requested by the king for no 415 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,600 reason other than sex. 416 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Yep. 417 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,160 And in that scenario, as we learn in other places in the Bible, she didn't have the option 418 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,160 to say no. 419 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,160 No. 420 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,560 One of the things that Marg points out later in one of her comments is she talks about 421 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,820 Queen Vashti, who was in the story of Esther. 422 00:19:15,820 --> 00:19:26,640 So Queen Vashti was the queen prior to Esther, and she basically had the guts to say no to 423 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,920 a summons from the king, so the king called for her to do the deed. 424 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,440 And she said, no thank you. 425 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,440 I'm tired of you. 426 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,440 Goodbye. 427 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,440 I think you smell. 428 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,520 You haven't been showering in the nude like you should have been. 429 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,320 And I'm gonna keep my knees closed, thank you. 430 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,480 And so what does the king do? 431 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,720 He kills her off and he replaces her. 432 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,720 And Queen Vashti- 433 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,600 As so many men do. 434 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:01,680 And Queen Vashti also would have had a lot more confidence and status to be able to say 435 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,680 no. 436 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,680 And she still got killed. 437 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,680 She was the queen. 438 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,680 Right. 439 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:12,280 So imagine Bathsheba, some of the comments on this article blow my mind, but some of 440 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,320 the comments say, well she could have said no, she could have said no. 441 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:22,240 And one of the respondents to that was like, only a man would say she could say no. 442 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,240 This girl, she was a child. 443 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,700 She was summoned by the king. 444 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:29,780 She had no influence. 445 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:34,920 She probably had the king's men come to her house and like literally not give her a choice. 446 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Pick her up, take her to the king. 447 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,680 It wasn't, hey do you mind? 448 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,200 The king actually wanted to see you. 449 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Do you mind coming with us? 450 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,480 No. 451 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,480 It's an order. 452 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,480 Right. 453 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Well the verse says go get her. 454 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,200 He sent them to get her. 455 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,780 Not to ask. 456 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:54,480 Not to say, hey next week are you free? 457 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,320 And this was after he had asked who is she. 458 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Right. 459 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,320 So he knows. 460 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,640 Because she was named, back then they were named by the men that they were related to. 461 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:13,380 So they said, oh that's the daughter of Eliam who is one of King David's top 30 closest 462 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:14,940 soldiers to him. 463 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:16,480 His top fighters. 464 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:23,560 And also she's the wife of Uriah who's also in your top 30 soldiers fighting for you, 465 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,560 King David. 466 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,720 So she's mentioned by two of the men that he probably knew. 467 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,560 Yeah that was actually an error that I want to correct from the last one. 468 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:38,460 We had kind of said that Uriah may not have known David, but as we were researching further 469 00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:43,760 it became clear that Uriah would likely have known David, would likely have been in the 470 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,380 palace before because he was one of David's top guys. 471 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:51,000 Which makes the story even worse. 472 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Yeah. 473 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:58,880 Like this was someone who had pledged his life to the king and said I will do anything. 474 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 I will not question anything that you ask of me. 475 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080 I will lay down my life. 476 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:11,960 Which means if you think about it, now this is also horrific so don't come at me, but 477 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:18,240 based on the time period because Uriah had pledged his life and everything to David, 478 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,600 if David had said Uriah I want your wife, because David does this later, Uriah would 479 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 have said probably, okay. 480 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,560 You're my king. 481 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Okay. 482 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,520 So still horrific, still forcing himself upon her, still awful, but David could have gotten 483 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:45,800 away with it, but instead he chose to exert his power over Bathsheba and over Uriah in 484 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,800 big ways. 485 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,200 Over many people, yeah. 486 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:55,440 So he knows who she is, he says I don't care, go get her. 487 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,080 Ridiculous. 488 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,360 Constant horrible, terrible, awful choices. 489 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,040 We talked about this last week, but you have to think of the timeline too and I think that's 490 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:13,120 something that we glaze over a lot with this story because it's only two chapters long. 491 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:18,720 So it seems like okay, all of this was done in a period of a week or two weeks. 492 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,200 It's easy to make that assumption. 493 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,240 The Veggie Tales certainly do. 494 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,200 The Ducky story is not very long. 495 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,400 It's only a half hour. 496 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,160 I think we talked about this in the last episode too. 497 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:35,320 Think about the entire length of her pregnancy because spoiler alert, I know that you probably 498 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,040 listened to the last episode, she gets pregnant. 499 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,260 That's like nine months of time. 500 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:48,280 So at the end of this story, Nathan the prophet comes to King David and says, hey, I know 501 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,280 what you did. 502 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,960 I know what you did last summer. 503 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,480 And we don't know that that happened right after the baby was born. 504 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,000 So it could have been nine months. 505 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,960 It could have been four years. 506 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,200 We really don't have a timeline here. 507 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,600 And so to think that David was just chilling, not really seemingly feeling all that bad 508 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:15,400 about this, not telling anybody and just going on with his life. 509 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Because who was he answering to? 510 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,680 Well, he was supposed to be answering to God. 511 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,800 He was supposed to be, but clearly not. 512 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Clearly not. 513 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,080 So Nathan shows up and says, hey, God's pissed. 514 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,160 He's pissed, pissed, pissed. 515 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,480 So then the last point I want to make from this article before we move on to a couple 516 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:43,560 of the other ones is how innocent the Bible portrays Bathsheba. 517 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,560 How did we get here? 518 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680 How did we get here? 519 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,960 There's no verse that says, and she seductively tempted him and shame on her and shame on 520 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Bathsheba. 521 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Nathan didn't come and say, hey, Bathsheba, repent. 522 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,800 No, he said, David, repent. 523 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,760 And there is another instance later in the story of Bathsheba where Nathan does come 524 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,440 to her and talk to her. 525 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,740 Not about this, not to make her feel bad, but as a prophecy from God, he comes to her. 526 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:15,320 And that's a whole different story. 527 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Maybe he has full ability and willingness to talk to her, but he doesn't. 528 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,400 He talks to David. 529 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:30,600 And the story that he tells David is about this shepherd who has one little lamb. 530 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,800 And the lamb, anytime a lamb is mentioned in the Bible, it's usually like this vision 531 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,920 of innocence, of representation of Christ. 532 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,720 So innocence, perfection, whatever you want, sinlessness, right? 533 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:55,020 And the shepherd has the little lamb and the rich man takes the lamb and kills it. 534 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,360 If you watched the last, or if you listened to the last episode. 535 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,160 Did you watch it too? 536 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,640 If you did, I'm frightened because where did you watch it from? 537 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:13,080 But in that story, some scholars have implied that if Bathsheba in this case is the lamb, 538 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,880 as it seems to be, then it is directly saying in this instance she is sinless. 539 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,280 She is innocent, yeah. 540 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,600 She has done nothing wrong. 541 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,480 She was the victim here. 542 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:30,320 But yet in so many circumstances when you hear this story preached, or like we were 543 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,360 talking about earlier, the depictions, the art of this story, it always makes her seem 544 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,480 like a villain. 545 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720 She was purposely out to get him. 546 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:49,440 And I also want to say, even if she was standing on her roof, butt naked, trying to seduce 547 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,400 the king, the king should have said no. 548 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,680 The king should have looked at her, okay, and then he asked who is she related to. 549 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,640 Oh, she's the wife of this and the daughter of this. 550 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,840 He should have been like, see ya bye, even if she was trying to seduce him. 551 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Well, I think the reason we forget that is because as Brie and I were talking about earlier, 552 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:19,760 it is in Christianity always on women to stop men from behaving poorly, to stop men from 553 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,720 going after them sexually, to stop men from whatever their urges might be. 554 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720 It's always on the women. 555 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,360 You have to dress a certain way so they don't look at you that way. 556 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,960 You have to behave a certain way so they don't think like that. 557 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,680 If you get into a situation where he's forcing himself upon you, it's on you to say no, which 558 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,640 of course you want to say no anyway, but he has no responsibility in the matter. 559 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720 And I think we put that on this story too. 560 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,280 Yeah, we were talking about this earlier too, if you had the experience of going to church 561 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:57,520 camps or we went to band camp too and they would yell at us for if our bra straps were 562 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,920 showing or our shorts were too short and say like, hey you can't wear that because the 563 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,680 boys are going to lust after you and you don't want to cause them to do that. 564 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:17,120 So you have to change yourself because you're worth less than what they are. 565 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:25,400 Their thoughts and just them being men, they are worth more so you have to put yourself 566 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,400 down. 567 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,520 Well, we say this all the time. 568 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,800 I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard this. 569 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,040 Boys mature slower than girls. 570 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,880 Boys just, they have such a sexual drive that girls just won't understand. 571 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:50,640 They just can't control that so it's up to you to help them to be their sister in Christ. 572 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,080 The amount of I rolled. 573 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,920 It's up to you to stop them from sinning. 574 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,960 And I just want to point out that even when the Bible calls us the body of Christ, it 575 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:07,480 is never on one person to stop another person from sinning. 576 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,640 Because God gave us free will. 577 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,160 That is never asked of us. 578 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,520 It's never asked of me to stop Brianna from sinning. 579 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,760 And when it talks, people are always like, well, you don't want to be a stumbling block. 580 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Oh, sorry. 581 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,920 These are very churchy terms that I've heard. 582 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,280 Well, it's just frustrating because it's like, oh, we need to help them along their way. 583 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,480 But at the same time, we're also told that the men need to be the head of the household 584 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,160 and the head of this and the head of that and they need to lead their wives. 585 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,720 But they can't control themselves enough to not take advantage of someone. 586 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Well, I think that's exactly what's happened in this story is we've taken that mindset, 587 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,640 that way of thinking and thrown it on David and said, well, he couldn't control himself. 588 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,280 He saw a naked woman, therefore automatically he must have her. 589 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,000 Like how absolutely stupid. 590 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,640 You're right. 591 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,800 If she was standing on her roof naked, shouting at him, come sleep with me. 592 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 I'm desperate. 593 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,080 My husband's been away for too long. 594 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,080 It doesn't matter. 595 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:24,160 It doesn't matter because he's still in control of who he is and he's supposed to be following 596 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,320 God. 597 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,920 He is directly supposed to be following God and that's always, always going to be on him. 598 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,840 And side note, she wasn't doing any of those things. 599 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Yeah, no. 600 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,840 None of that is true. 601 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,720 It's even worse because she was completely innocent. 602 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,480 But we've made her into this awful person, this villain, this, I don't know, temptress, 603 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,960 I guess is a great word. 604 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,440 I think she's just become like a sex object to people because you were talking about art 605 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,880 that you've seen, right? 606 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,880 Yeah. 607 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760 So I looked up a couple of different depictions. 608 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:04,560 There's a Rembrandt and I'm looking at it now, unfortunately, but you can't, you could, 609 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,440 I suppose. 610 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440 Everybody get on Google with me. 611 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,200 It's time for Art History 101. 612 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,080 Maybe don't. 613 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,800 But it's called Bathsheba at Her Bath and it's a very nude picture. 614 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,320 If you're not familiar with this period of art history, there's a lot of nudes, but this 615 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,320 one is quite nude. 616 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:33,440 And she's bathing and she's got her hand laid just so, like the suggestive, like, ah, and 617 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,920 her face is innocently off to the side as she tries to seduce him, whatever. 618 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,080 She better her eyes. 619 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,160 But there are many depictions of her and she's always naked. 620 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,280 She's just absolutely always fully nude. 621 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720 And I hate that for her. 622 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Now we know she's been gone for a long time, but just empathetically imagine if your history 623 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680 and she has a great story from here. 624 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,840 This part of her story is horrific. 625 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,840 Don't get me wrong. 626 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,920 But from here, she has a lovely rest of her story. 627 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,720 And this is what she's known in history for. 628 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:22,200 Not the fact that she raised King Solomon, not the fact that she was the Queen Mother. 629 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,200 Yeah. 630 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:33,640 And would later have so much influence and be risen by God to such a position that, I 631 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,840 mean, you could argue that she was on equal footing as King David was at the time. 632 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,000 She was part of Jesus's bloodline. 633 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,560 Yeah, absolutely. 634 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,560 She has an incredible rest of her story and yet as a society, we remember her as the naked 635 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,440 girl. 636 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,880 How awful. 637 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,840 Because I feel like society just, it's easy. 638 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:05,040 And like we said in the last episode, we like to make a lot of excuses for people in power 639 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560 in order for them to keep their power. 640 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,040 This is another excuse. 641 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Right. 642 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,240 Well, and I think it makes us uncomfy to say the reality of who David was because he is 643 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,800 and it's actually prior to the story, called a man after God's own heart. 644 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,920 And that's an interesting phrase. 645 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,480 So Marga actually talks about that as well. 646 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,840 So I would recommend checking out her work on that. 647 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,200 But it makes us uncomfortable to call him out for what he was. 648 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,240 And I can't say again, the exact word here because algorithms, but the fact that he forced 649 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,040 himself on her, the fact that he murdered her husband. 650 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040 Can I say murder? 651 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,040 Should I say unalive? 652 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,240 He unalived her husband. 653 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,720 That's a really tough set of things to try and put together. 654 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,360 Man after God's own heart, but also this horrific person. 655 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,960 Like how do you reconcile those? 656 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,940 And I think that's why we've done this to her. 657 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:08,440 I think that kind of leads us into some like current events happening in our life right 658 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,440 now. 659 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:17,640 There's a story going around where someone high up in a position of power in a very well 660 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,880 known church. 661 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,720 There's a church that we have been associated with and there's a huge scandal going on right 662 00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:24,720 now. 663 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:30,400 And it's because someone in power decided that they were the most important person. 664 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,040 He decided that he was more important than all of the people that he was supposed to 665 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,040 be serving. 666 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920 That his needs were more important. 667 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,480 And that the consent of other people was not worth his time. 668 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,720 And we are really struggling with that right now. 669 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:55,080 As the two of us, as my husband, it's something that has become very real to us as we look 670 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,400 at this story as well. 671 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,360 Yeah, I think it relates to the story because he was someone that people wanted to look 672 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360 up to. 673 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,360 Right? 674 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:13,560 And I think that a lot of people are still in some ways defending because it makes them 675 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,600 uncomfortable to sit with that reality. 676 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,320 That someone in the faith is not perfect. 677 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,640 And that it's okay to say what they did was really wrong. 678 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:32,120 Well, I think what I've seen also in this story and I think relates to David and Bathsheba 679 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:40,440 as well is watching people say, like post on social media, like, well, whoever's without 680 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,760 sin cast the first stone and we have to forgive and forget and we have to whatever. 681 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,680 And I hear that to some degree. 682 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,480 We are certainly called to forgive. 683 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,440 However, we are also called to call out sin. 684 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,640 And we are also called to be there for the people who are hurting. 685 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,720 And what doesn't help in those situations is to say, hey, you got to forgive. 686 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:08,720 Hey, you got to forgive. 687 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,720 Hey, I forgave. 688 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,720 So you got to forgive. 689 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,720 Hey, hey, hey, forgive. 690 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,720 God said forgive. 691 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:18,480 Because you have to think about the people that were affected and validate that what 692 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,880 happened to them is not right. 693 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,760 And we are there for you. 694 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:29,680 And remember that forgiveness is not something that God said, force this upon others. 695 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,920 Forgiveness is something that happens for you to help you in a situation. 696 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,800 Whenever the other person should they choose to forgive, that's between them and God. 697 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,960 And when you say, when you post things, when you say things like forgive, forgive, forgive, 698 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,640 or when you say it about King David in this story, forgive, forgive, forgive, what you 699 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:55,360 do is invalidate all of what the victim went through when what you could say instead is, 700 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,440 I'm so sorry. 701 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,840 That was completely not okay. 702 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,640 I am so sorry. 703 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,640 And that's it. 704 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,740 That's the end of the sentence. 705 00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:08,560 If from there they need you and they need help, then be there. 706 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,560 Step in, whatever. 707 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,840 Or they come to you and say, I want to forgive, but I'm struggling. 708 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,840 Help me. 709 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,840 Like, absolutely. 710 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,840 Yeah. 711 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,480 But it can just be, I'm so sorry. 712 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,000 And I think we've talked about this before, but we are always so quick as a Christian 713 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,400 community to defend the church at all costs, defend the church. 714 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,280 But the church is the people. 715 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,800 So are you defending the people? 716 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,200 Or are you defending the institution? 717 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:45,280 And if your immediate reaction to situations like what we're going through right now, to 718 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:53,720 if you know someone that's been in a situation like Bathsheba found herself in, if your immediate 719 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,420 reaction is defend the church, defend the church, defend the church, and I have been 720 00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:04,840 on the receiving end of this, if your immediate reaction is that what you're doing is telling 721 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,000 that person you don't have a place here anymore. 722 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,840 We don't actually care about you. 723 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:17,040 We will say until the better end that we care about you, but our actions are not loving 724 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,040 or caring. 725 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,760 And I think that's a huge part of, and I've seen this again through this story on social 726 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,600 media as people comment and say, this is why I'm not in church. 727 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,420 I will never go back to church because of things like this. 728 00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:35,020 We were thinking about going back to church and now we won't, et cetera, et cetera. 729 00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:41,880 And then you see people comment back who are church people in full defense of the church 730 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600 person. 731 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,240 That's never going to bring anybody to church. 732 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,080 How much more is it going to bring someone back if someone commented from that church 733 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,800 and they were like, I am so incredibly sorry that you feel that way. 734 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,800 I hear you. 735 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,760 And that's it, guys. 736 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480 That's it. 737 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,880 Because I think we will always say like, as a church, we want to be known for fill in 738 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,280 the blank, for our love of people, for our forgiveness, for our whatever, supernatural 739 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,280 forgiveness. 740 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,000 Okay, I hear you. 741 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,360 But what people are going to see from the outside isn't they forcibly made everybody 742 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,640 forgive this person and put on a smiley face. 743 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,440 What they're going to see is in this space supported and loved and admitted to what was 744 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,360 going on. 745 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,480 That's what gets seen from the outside if you do it right, which we'll see. 746 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:46,640 But that's what the church should be known for, their care and love of their people. 747 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,400 And when forgiveness does come from that in the end, it's on each individual person and 748 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,400 they can handle that themselves. 749 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400 Because who are you trying to protect? 750 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,360 Are you trying to protect Bathsheba or are you trying to protect David? 751 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,360 Right. 752 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,960 I think most of the time we're trying to protect David, unfortunately. 753 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,640 But I also wanted to talk a little bit about... 754 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,400 So I looked up this story just on Wikipedia, okay? 755 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,760 This is the most basic internet search. 756 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,580 I found lots of articles, but I thought the one on Wikipedia was really interesting because 757 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:30,320 it breaks it down into this story from the perspective of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. 758 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,920 So in my mind, this story is only coming from one perspective, but the reality is that this 759 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,600 is a historical story that was in other historical accounts. 760 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,800 So Christians, I hate to tell you this, we don't have a monopoly on this story. 761 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,400 And I'm not going to go through the whole really deep part of it because in Judaism 762 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080 there's a lot to it. 763 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,360 It goes into astrology, so we're full circling. 764 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360 I'm a Leo. 765 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,360 Congratulations, Dana. 766 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360 That's another security question for you. 767 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,360 Great. 768 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,520 But I wanted to talk about one important part. 769 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,960 So on Wikipedia it says that according to rabbinic tradition, and if I am saying that 770 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,360 incorrectly, I'm sorry. 771 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,360 Most likely you are. 772 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,360 Most likely I am. 773 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:25,120 Later on in the story Bathsheba's son Solomon, he's not going to be king because he's not 774 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,960 the oldest son, so logically he's not. 775 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,200 And his brother, I'm not going to try and say his name, is going to become king. 776 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,760 But the prophet, Nathan, comes to Bathsheba and says, hey, Solomon was supposed to be 777 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,200 king. 778 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000 That was foretold to you a long time ago. 779 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,280 We talked about this. 780 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,600 I want you to go to David and remind him. 781 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,640 And so she does, and then Solomon becomes king. 782 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:57,120 Essentially it implies that she, and Christianity has done this too, through this story it implies 783 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:03,280 that she was politically motivated and that that then pushes all the way back to when 784 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,200 she was a child and she had Solomon in the first place. 785 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:15,720 So this says that according to rabbinic tradition, which I know I said it wrong, when Bathsheba 786 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:22,240 saw that this other son was about to be crowned king, that basically she went to the prophet 787 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:29,080 Nathan and said, hey, we're going to plot together and make it so that Solomon is going 788 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,840 to be king. 789 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,360 And so it kind of portrays her as super politically motivated. 790 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,280 And I guess then we also are going to push that narrative all the way back to when she 791 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,560 was a literal child. 792 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:51,840 That's quite the plan, I would say, to be like, I'm going to be naked bathing, hoping 793 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,000 that the king who's not supposed to be at his house is going to see me and then I'm 794 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,080 going to make him want to sleep with me, make myself get pregnant, make sure it's a boy, 795 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,220 even though he's not going to be the first boy. 796 00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:07,420 And I'm going to make that boy a king. 797 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:08,420 It's the long game. 798 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:09,420 She's playing the long game. 799 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:13,380 Keep in mind, she's 13 and stupid. 800 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:15,000 There's all 13 year olds are. 801 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 I mean, it's a rough time when you're 13. 802 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,040 But yeah, I mean, the story, it falls apart real quick when you start trying to tell that 803 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,600 story according to Wikipedia. 804 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,960 Now if you grew up in the Jewish faith or you are in the Jewish faith and I'm incorrect, 805 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,840 please definitely let us know. 806 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,920 But that's what it says about the end of her story. 807 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,480 Bekkah Mark talks about that in her article too. 808 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,160 She says that there's just when you try to make that argument, it doesn't hold up because 809 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,520 the only reason that she went to the king to remind him that Solomon was supposed to 810 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,160 be the king was because Nathan came and reminded her. 811 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,400 It wasn't something that she was like, ha ha ha. 812 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,600 She was, I mean, she was good. 813 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,720 As far as the Bible says, she was fully going to accept that this was what was going on. 814 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:04,300 This was the new king, such is life, moving on. 815 00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:09,520 So then we've already talked about the Christian viewpoint of her. 816 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,240 And then we'll talk just for a second about, because Wikipedia talks about it and I think 817 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,040 it's interesting, the Islamic view of her. 818 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,280 So it says, in Islam, David is considered to be a prophet. 819 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,320 And some tradition views this story as incompatible with that because if he's a prophet, he can't 820 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,320 sin. 821 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,840 Oh, that's nice for him. 822 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,840 Especially him. 823 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,840 I didn't know that was an option. 824 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,480 There's a lot of sin in David's story, like a bunch. 825 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520 So that's going to be a hard one to argue. 826 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:48,280 But it has a quote here that says, whoever says that David has married Uriah's wife as 827 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,320 the legends are narrate, I will punish him twice. 828 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,380 One for a word I can't pronounce, falsely accusing someone of adultery, and the other 829 00:44:57,380 --> 00:45:01,740 for desecrating the prophethood, defamation of the prophet David. 830 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:06,720 So basically they're saying that this story could not have ever happened in the way that 831 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,720 the Bible says it. 832 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,960 Now, obviously there's different sacred texts and things like that, but this argument is 833 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,680 saying that this could not have been the truth, whereas Christianity would say everything 834 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,720 in the Bible is true. 835 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,840 And everybody has sin except for God. 836 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,240 So different religious traditions, but I just found that really interesting. 837 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,040 If you want to see those, like I said, it's the Wikipedia page just on Bathsheba, so you 838 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040 can go check that out. 839 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,360 We also looked her up on the Jewish Women's Archive, which one of our favorites. 840 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,360 It is. 841 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,880 There's so many good resources out there that I didn't know existed. 842 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,420 And that's why I like to name them as we use them so that you guys can then go and utilize 843 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,800 that as well. 844 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,200 Did you see the comment on our TikTok the other day? 845 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,060 Yeah, so there was a comment. 846 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:00,860 It made me really happy. 847 00:46:00,860 --> 00:46:03,420 I think she said, I'm home or something. 848 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:06,960 She said, wait, faith and feminism? 849 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640 I'm home or something like that. 850 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,000 I loved it. 851 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,720 It was, I think the first, I always check our TikTok when I get up in the morning and 852 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,720 it was like the first thing that I saw. 853 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,640 And it just made me feel happy and it was really nice. 854 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,240 So if you're out there listening to the actual podcast, we're so happy you're here. 855 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:35,760 Because there's not an abundance of resources out there with dealing with this topic, faith 856 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,520 and feminism. 857 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,060 And it is a thing. 858 00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:42,880 Like we've said before, Jesus was a feminist. 859 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,920 Well, and for us too, we love to see your guys' comments. 860 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,320 It's not always easy to do a podcast because this is a lot of work. 861 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,800 We spend a lot of our time that we don't have a ton of anyway. 862 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,040 Podcasting and editing and getting the clips up and things like that. 863 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,240 Plus also we spend at least 12 hours a day sleeping. 864 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,480 It's a lot of work. 865 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,800 I need at least 13 hours. 866 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,360 So it was just really nice to know that we can be part of creating that community for 867 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,360 someone. 868 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,600 And hopefully we can also, I don't know, push you all forth into some really good resources 869 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,600 as well. 870 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,600 I don't know how to say that without sounding weird. 871 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600 Go forth and breed. 872 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,440 Feed these research papers. 873 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,440 Have a great time. 874 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,840 Anyone want to feel like they're in school? 875 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,320 But you know, just because our best friend is Beth and our good friend is Marg, it doesn't 876 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,480 mean they can't be your best friends and good friends. 877 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,840 Very true, very true. 878 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,520 Although we haven't asked them, so we don't know them. 879 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,520 They don't need to know. 880 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,080 And in fact, if I were to meet them and they were to have listened to this, I think I would 881 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,080 be embarrassed. 882 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,840 That's fair. 883 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,720 But they might also love us. 884 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:55,720 No way to know. 885 00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:05,720 No, unless, hey, Beth, Marg, Sarah Bessie, all of the people that we know. 886 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,800 If you'd like to question, comment, concern our podcast, reach out. 887 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:17,080 We'd be open to a brunch. 888 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,080 We do love a mimosa. 889 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,320 So anyway, next week. 890 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,320 Next week. 891 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,320 The future. 892 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,320 The future. 893 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,080 As we look ahead, we're going to be talking about this story again, because I just feel 894 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,520 like there's so much to it. 895 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,080 And her story continues on from here in the Bible. 896 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,360 And a lot of times women's stories in the Bible, they do seem very short. 897 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,460 They're one chapter or even like the book of Esther is very short. 898 00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:50,320 So it feels like their stories are so short. 899 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,120 But with Bathsheba, we do follow her along for a while. 900 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,640 She's in the lineage of Jesus, like we talked about. 901 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,440 She has Solomon as one of her children. 902 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,240 Marg has another article that I read on kind of the continuation of Bathsheba's story that 903 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,000 I find really interesting. 904 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,000 So we're going to talk about that. 905 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,360 I would also like to talk about some of the, I'm going to find some really painful quotes. 906 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,120 So prepare yourselves from pastors that have preached on this. 907 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,600 Oh. 908 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,840 So we're going to talk about that. 909 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,160 This might be a three parter, it might be a four parter. 910 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,160 We'll see. 911 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,280 It depends on how we're feeling that day. 912 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:33,280 It just depends on how chatty we're feeling and how alive this makes us feel. 913 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,400 To the alive part that's always a concern. 914 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,000 So you guys can look forward to that fun next week. 915 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,960 It's going to be thrilling. 916 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,160 Shout out to where do we want to send people to listen to us? 917 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,440 Send them to listen to us? 918 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,440 All right. 919 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,520 We need you all to road trip too. 920 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,040 Honestly, we're willing to do that too. 921 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,040 All right. 922 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040 Let's see. 923 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,760 Bri, are there any other states that you don't think exist? 924 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,080 I'm convinced that Utah is a state. 925 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,840 Well, that's good. 926 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,880 Would you like people to listen from Utah? 927 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,880 I don't know. 928 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,880 All right. 929 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,640 Those of you in Utah, convince Bri that you listen to podcasts. 930 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,280 She does believe you're real, so hooray. 931 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,720 What do you call people from Utah? 932 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:20,720 Utahians? 933 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:21,720 I don't know. 934 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,160 What do you call us? 935 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,160 Michiganders. 936 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,160 That's weird. 937 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,160 No, but that's really what we're calling. 938 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,160 I know, but it's weird. 939 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,160 Utahians? 940 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,160 Yeah, Utahians. 941 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,160 All right. 942 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,160 People from Utah. 943 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,160 I'm sorry. 944 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,160 But also if you could listen to the podcast, that'd be great. 945 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,560 Also you guys can like, comment, share all the things. 946 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:41,880 You can follow us on social media. 947 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,620 We are heavily on TikTok and Instagram. 948 00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:47,520 You can find us on Facebook, but I'm kind of lazy about that. 949 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,420 Did I say before that I think it's a dead art? 950 00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:51,420 You did. 951 00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:52,420 You did. 952 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:53,600 I stand by that. 953 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,340 So people of Facebook. 954 00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:00,340 People of Facebook, you need to find a new social media platform. 955 00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:02,040 I'm on Facebook a lot actually. 956 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,720 I don't know why. 957 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:04,720 It's kind of useless. 958 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:05,720 Okay. 959 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:06,720 See? 960 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,720 No, I'm with you. 961 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:08,720 See? 962 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,120 I do scroll through Facebook like in the morning as I'm like, the wee early bits of the morning 963 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,600 I'm trying to crust my eyes and I just out of habit go to Facebook and start scrolling 964 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,480 and I realized it's nothing but ads and garbage. 965 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,480 It is. 966 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,480 It really is. 967 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,480 So there are a few people that I like to follow on there. 968 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,160 We follow Sheila on there. 969 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,160 I do. 970 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,160 I do also. 971 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,160 I like to see her stuff. 972 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,920 There's a few people that I like on there. 973 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,080 But anyway, so go check us out on socials. 974 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,640 We will see you next week. 975 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,760 Peace be with you and also with you and love you. 976 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,760 Good bye. 977 00:51:44,760 --> 00:52:11,760 I love you too.