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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Well, hey, welcome to

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the Bible Guys. I'm Chris and
this is Jeff. Yeah. Yeah,

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all the way from Africa. Jeff, you've trimmed down a little bit,

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moving on, moving on. Hey, this is obviously not Jeff Worrester.

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This is Ryan Morril and we're asking
him to step in. In fact,

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we have different guests all this week. So last week we had Jeff was

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here, I was out of town
in Dominican Republic, and Wesley stepped in

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for the full week. But for
this week it's me and several different guests.

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Here. You are the first of
many, but actually the second,

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the second, the second, because
Quinn was yesterday. I finished second a

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lot, especially in elementary school.
I have all the red ribbons, second

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place red ribbons. That was just
my thing. That was good. So

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I have known you for how long? Gosh are we going on twenty years?

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Twenty years? Yeah, twenty years. That's amazing, It is amazing,

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Yeah, amazing. We still look
the same too, of course,

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we both, Yeah, of course
we do. You look more of the

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same than I do. But I
will say that that we used to work

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at previous church together and then I
came over to Heritage Church and then you

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got hired here and so now we're
at the same church again. It's amazing,

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which is kind of cool, great
great year of my life right now.

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So it's all to be here and
so good to be reunited with you.

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Yeah, no doubt. Thanks man. Well, Ryan is our family

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ministries director at Heritage Church, where
we both work, and so he's in

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charge of basically college all the way
down, high school all the way down,

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high school all the way down.
Oh okay, so infants through all

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the way through high school eighteen years
old. Oh that's awesome. So so

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listen to this. So Desi Rae
put together this show sheet and she had

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a question for Quinn yesterday that was
okay, I like your question and way

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better. So here it is.
You ready, Ryan, If your life

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were a musical, what would be
the title of your big solo number and

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what would it be about? And
bonus points if you can give us a

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snippet of the lyrics. Oh my
gosh, okay, right, wow,

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So I'm going to give you a
minute to think and while you're thinking,

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I'm going to tell the audience that
Ryan purposely did not look at this question,

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so he is hearing this question in
real time. So Ryan, we're

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gonna have to, unfortunately go back
to you. And what is your big

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solo number called? All Right?
So, if my life was a musical,

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I would say that the title of
it would be something about running the

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race. I love to run.
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have an analogy to that. You
know, this season I'm in sprinting,

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pacing, run and then uh,
you know. But at the same time

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too, I always feel like I
finish in second place. So that's just

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it's kind of and it's also part
of the lyric. So sing it's a

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snippet. Oh gosh, now this
is where you put me on the spot.

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Come on, come on, there's
sweat on my face all over the

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place. I'm running the race and
I desperately want to get something other than

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second place. Whoa that? Come
on? That's it on the spot literally

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making it up word by word right
there, Christmas. So that is better

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than I could have done. So
maybe someday I will get first place,

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but but second place is okay.
I still get a red ribbon and that

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so funny. Due, Wow,
you got talent a poet, don't know,

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I got lucky right there. That's
all it was. If it was

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good at all. Some of you
may think that was horrible, but that's

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true. That's true. My wife's
at home saying that's horrible. No,

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she's not. She's like, I
love writing so much, that's what she

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says. All right. So today
we are diving into because yesterday we finished

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up Genesis and we're moving into the
story of Job. And Job is one

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of these incredible characters of the Old
Testament where it's it's sort of like lamentations,

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right, it's just so sad,
it's unbelievably sad and and and these

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horrible things happens to Job. And
not only is that the case here,

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but on top of that, we
have a bigger issue, which is why

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we got to allow this. Right, So there's all these things surrounding Job

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that's like massive tragedy and then what's
the deal god kind of thing. And

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honestly, you can't read this book
without feeling both of those things. Yeah,

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yeah, I actually when I read, especially what we're about to read,

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there's a feeling of terror that comes
over me, that this could happen

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to one person, and that it
could potentially happen again, and it could

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potentially happen to me. Well,
so yeah, very sad book for sure.

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So you mean to read, yeah, okay, here we go Jobs

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one through twenty, Right, here
we go. There once was a man

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named Job who lived in the land
of Uz. He was blameless, a

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man of complete integrity. He feared
God and stayed away from evil. He

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had seven sons and three daughters.
He owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand

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camels, five hundred teams of oxen, and five hundred female donkeys. He

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also had many servants. He was, in fact, the richest person in

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that entire area. Job's sons would
take turns preparing feasts in their homes,

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and they would also invite their three
sisters to celebrate with them. When these

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celebrations ended, sometimes after several days, Job would purify his children. He

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would get up early in the morning
and offer a burnt offering for each of

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them. For Job said to himself, perhaps my children have sinned and have

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cursed God in their hearts. This
was Job's reg practice. One day,

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the members of the heavenly court came
to present themselves before the Lord and the

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accuser. Satan came with them.
Where have you come from, the Lord

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asked Satan. Satan answered the Lord, I have been patrolling the earth,

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watching everything that's going on. Then
the Lord asked, Satan, have you

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noticed my servant Job. He is
the finest man in all the earth.

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He is blameless, a man of
complete integrity. He fears God and stays

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away from evil. Satan replied to
the Lord, yes, but Job has

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good reason to fear God. You
have always put a wall of protection around

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him and his home and his property. You have made him prosper in everything

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he does. Look how rich he
is. But reach out and take away

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everything he has, and he will
surely curse you to your face. All

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right, you may test him,
the Lord said to Satan. Do whatever

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you want with everything he possesses,
but don't harm him physically. So Satan

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left the lord's presence. One day, when Job's sisters and daughters were feasting

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at the oldest brother's house, a
messenger arrived at Job's home with this news.

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Your oxen were plowing with the donkeys
feeding beside them. When the Sabians

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raided us. They stole all the
animals and killed all the farm hands.

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I am the only one who escaped
to tell you. While he was still

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speaking, another messenger arrived with this
news. The fire of God has fallen

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from heaven and burned up your sheep
and all the shepherds. I am the

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only one who escaped to tell you. While he was still speaking, a

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third messenger arrived with this news.
Three bands of Chaldean raiders have stolen your

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camels and killed your servants. I
am the only one who escaped to tell

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you. While he was still speaking, another messenger arrived with this news.

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Your sons and daughters were feasting in
their old his brother's home. Suddenly a

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powerful wind swept in from the wilderness
and hit the house on all sides.

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The house collapsed, and all your
children are dead. I am the only

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one who escaped to tell you.
Job stood up, tore his robe in

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grief. Then he shaved his head
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He said, I came naked from
my mother's woom, and I will be

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naked when I leave. The Lord
gave me what I had, and the

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Lord has taken it away. Praise
the name of the Lord and all of

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this Job did not sin by blaming
God? Okay, would you answer that

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way? No? I read that, and I'm I'm pretty much one hundred

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percent sure that I would not.
Yeah, that is so listen. I

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can't help but immediately go to the
question that's on everybody's well, I'm assuming

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it's on everybody's mind. But but
it's like it was. It was God's

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idea, Satan said. Satan said, yeah. First of all, God

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brought up job. Have you considered
my servant joke? Right? God mentioned

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it first? And then and then
uh. And then Satan says, yeah,

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but take a take away everything he
has wor curse you. And then

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God says, all right, well
you test him. So so it's God's

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idea. So so God brings up
the subject of job. God initiates,

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and not only that, but obviously
allows Satan to uh to uh, you

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know, do whatever he wants with
job and and and uh and so it

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brings up the question, you know, why does good? Why would a

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loving God allow good? Or excuse
me, I'm sorry, why would a

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loving God allow evil? I was
trying to say, why would a good

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God? Right, I would a
good and loving God allow evil into this

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world. And uh, and I
know a lot of times in the Old

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Testament things happen and they seem to
serve as an example for those of us.

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They're like word pictures, right,
I mean, entire nations go through

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struggles, you know, and it
seems that Jesus and others point back to

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them as examples on how to live
and demonstrate faith and everything else. But

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man, at the expense of what, like what the heck? Yeah?

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Yeah yeah? And at the same
time too, you know, Joe,

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you asked the question, did Job
do anything to deserve this? You know,

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did Job sin before God? Yet
if we read in the scriptures that

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he was a man that was blameless, he was a man that had no

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sin and full integrity and full integrity, right. And so because oftentimes when

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bad things happen, or when we're
going through a rough patch, when there's

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pain and calamity in our life,
we wonder naturally what are we doing wrong?

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Right? And and we wonder that
physically in the in the in our

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physical world, but we also oftentimes
look to God and we think that this

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is some sort of I don't know
if the word is punishment, but just

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result of our behavior. And this
is God kind of looking through the report

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card and saying, well, gosh, you know D and C and F

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and Okay, here's your just reward
for what you did. And yet at

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the same time, Job didn't do
anything. Job was full of integrity,

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right, And so it makes us
realize just maybe how God operates a little

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bit in this world, how God, you know, because so many of

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us see God as this kind of
dispensing kind of candy machine. If I'm

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good and put the coin into the
machine, then He's going to deliver the

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goods to me, whether it's it's
wealth, or it's health, or it's

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happiness or great kids or great marriage
or whatever it is. If I'm good

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and I put it in, if
I put my time into that, then

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then I'll get that reward. But
that's not the equation that God set up.

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I can't say I know what the
what that is that God has set

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up, but I know it's not
that based on this passage, right for

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sure. Yeah. Yeah, And
I've actually seen something here that I haven't

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seen before ever. As I was
thinking about this as you were reading through

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it. And by the way,
I appreciate the fact that you read slow,

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you read slower. You know,
Jeff reads really fast, So Jeff

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needs to take a tip. Hey, Jeff, pay attention to Ryan because

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when he read slow, I was
able to digest more. But I can

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tell you read the kids sometimes.
Yeah right, yeah, Well it's also

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for me so that I'm actually understanding
what I'm reading and I'm not making mistakes

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while I read. So anyway,
as you were reading that, here's why

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I thought. I thought, this, isn't it true that Satan often will

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make you believe that God's that fault
for some things, because I think that

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I think that the the most intentional
thing about this whole story is the four

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phrases that says, wow, they
were still speaking right so, so,

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in other words, it happened in
one fatal swoop right at the same time

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that the that that the fire from
heaven came down, which by the way,

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is an act of God, right
that killed everything. At the same

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time the Sabeans came in and and
and stole all the donkeys and killed everybody.

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At the exact same time that was
happening. Another act of God caused

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the walls to come down from a
big wind and kill the kids and then

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and then and then the then the
Chaldeans happened, So all four of those

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things happened at the exact same time, and then only one servant and they

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all come running, and they're only
seconds behind each other. And as they're

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finishing their sentence, another one runs
up. As he's finishing his sentence,

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another one, than another one,
and so these four servants run up.

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And so therefore Job has no other
conclusion that this is a supernatural event,

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right, which, by the way, uh, later on, as we're

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going to discover, he actually does
say God has caused, God has condemned

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me, God has done these things. God has allowed these things, and

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he does. And by the way, technically, theologically he's right, because

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God did allow these things. Right, So Satan's not the one in control.

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But at the same time, I
believe that Satan has done this very

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intentionally to make it seem as if
God's the one orchestrating everything, because because

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there's acts of God involved here in
the same time, right, And it

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just shows you how clever Satan is, and Satan Satan from the very beginning

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in the Garden of Eden, as
we read you know, several podcasts ago,

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you know, what does he do. He twists Adam and Eves,

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you know, thinking by using half
truths, like there's a threat of truth

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in there. He says, has
God really said you're gonna die? Well,

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you're not going to die? Well
that was kind of half truth.

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They bit the fruit and they didn't
die right away, right, so it's

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like God. Then he says,
oh, he just knows that you'll be

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more like God knows you'll be more
like him. Well, that was also

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a half truth because they did know
that they were naked. They knew the

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difference between good and evil, which
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Satan takes these have truths and he's
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He doesn't come right in your face
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hey, I'm Satan and this is
a bad move. He just does

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things so cleverly. And I view
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this in such a way to where
job is going to receive it, you

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know, and I have no choice
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Yeah, that interesting. Yeah,
he has a remarkable ability to just

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continue to stay and I'm you know, we hear this phrase stay in your

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lane right, but Job continues to
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been in. Calamity is going on
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and yet he continues to stay in
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Chris helped me with the passage as
for me and my house, we will

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serve the Lord, Joshua Joshua,
right, yeah, And I think of

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that passage just in my life,
and I think of the ups and downs,

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and I think of this for Job
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why this is happening. I don't
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I know I need to stay in
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serve the Lord, you know,
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in this is amazing to me,
inspiring for me as well. Well.

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It's almost hard to believe scenario.
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with Quinn yesterday on yesterday's podcast is
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Like it doesn't say. It doesn't
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angry with God. It doesn't say
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hear from Joseph is when he speaks, and when he speaks, he says

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the perfect thing, right, And
it's almost like Joseph is like this man

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who over if there's anybody who had
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to give up on God, or
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I mean years and years in the
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slave, losing his freedom and all
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his own family, and yet he's
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like, wow, you know,
and I wish it would I wish I

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would know, And I guess we'll
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I wish I would know, like, did Joseph really feel the human things

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or was he really just that strong
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we're going to find out later that
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process his thoughts out loud, he
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all of it though, he still
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blame God. But in this moment, we haven't gotten there yet, so

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I'm sort of tipping my hand.
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we hear from Job is the first
time he speaks It is the most awesome

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response to the greatest tragedy that I've
ever heard of. I've never got worst

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day ever, right, ever,
either you have a bad day as bad

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as this, it's not as bad
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five hundred not five hundred oxen,
five hundred teams of oxen, right right,

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right? Five hundred and fifty female
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that struck me too is it's not
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as well, because your retirement plan. I did catch this just with reading

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into it just a little bit.
Your retirement plan. There's no retirement plan,

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right, there's no investing going on
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your offspring who are going to continue
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to build what you have built upon. It's not just the present, his

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future as well was gone as well
at this moment in times and not just

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the worst ever, but the outlook
is bleak. Yeah, and no only

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is it all gone, but but
it's everything. Imagine how many years it

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would have taken for him to build
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So it's multiple children, so you're
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it's been decades, probably, right, And it doesn't say that,

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but we're assuming, right, And
if they're all, if they're all,

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you know, and old enough to
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they're young adults, right. And
So there's a note in the Life Application

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Study Bible that we like to quote, and it talks about the sources of

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suffering. I want to just read
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suffering or troubles happen, do they
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his series of tragedies didn't did come
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the case. This chart shows four
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these or a combination of them,
may create suffering. If knowing why we

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are suffering, we will teach.
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us to avoid the cause, then
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it is most important to know how
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what it's says. It says,
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who is responsible? I am who's
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needs to respond. We do with
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sin the source of suffering, then
who's responsible is the person who sinned?

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Right, And then you know it
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third source of suffering is avoidable physical
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who's responsible for that suffering? Persons
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precautions, like the person who refuses
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correct, correct, And who's affected? Most of those exposed to the cause,

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probably preventable, right. And then
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if the source of suffering is unavoidable, physical or natural disaster, then

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who's responsible? And what does it
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And that's pretty pretty awesome to say
to say, hey, there's only four

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sources of suffering and here they are, and if you think about it,

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I think it's I think it's right. I don't think that there's another source

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of suffering there. And so again
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God that Satan orchestrated it to make
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the Lord. It's amazing. Yeah,

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can I go back just one other
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we're talking about the calamity and we're
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the horrible things that happened to Joe. But at the same time too,

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if you go back to the very
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right, his success, and so
you know, I think maybe we've heard

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of this whole title, like the
Prosperity Gospel, you know, where if

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I am good, then God blesses
me. And how many times have we

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heard that and maybe even said that, Gosh, I'm just just feeling so

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blast right now I have all of
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too, you look at this and
you think, okay, so got

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uh. He was a man of
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on in his life, and yet
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the inverse way, it also says
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integrity, it didn't necessarily mean that
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he was blessed because of integrity.
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look at the negative side of it, in the fallout of this, we

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also can look at the other side
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before and realized, well, that
isn't necessarily the case, right, It

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flies in the it flies in the
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things were taken away, not because
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unfaithful right right, right, yeah, yeah, that's good. And and

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uh. And by the way,
he lived in the town of us So,

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and he was the most prosperous person
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say that his nickname was the Wizard
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But when I was a youth pastor, I used to sing, I

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made up a song about the Wizard
of us Wow, say it. Those

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three kids youth group must have really
loved that. And two of your kids,

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two of your offspring, were part
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good as your song. My song
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All right, that's so funny.
After twenty years, like my three kids,

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Hey, I had a big youth
group, all right, So hey

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listen, that is our time and
any any closing thoughts. If somebody's struggling,

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if somebody's you know, questioning God, any any you know, how

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should we respond? You know?
I think, as I've been moved today,

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I continue to just I continue to
stay faithful, you know, in

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times of trial with with close relationships, when when when even my wife and

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I are just going through a tough, a tough week together, right and

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there are moments where I step back
and I think, Okay, I can't.

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I can't control this situation. But
I can't control her. I can't

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I can't move her to feel differently
right now. But what I can do

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is I can and I can think
about what I'm doing, and I can

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continue to be faithful, I can
continue to be a serve, and I

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can continue to love her. And
so no matter what you're going through,

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good or bad, I think we
continue to stay in the lane of faithfulness

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to God, and we continue to
love Him and we continue to be obedient

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to Him, regardless of the craziness
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the blessings that happen in our life, because it really that's what He's calling

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us to. That is first and
foremost. Everything else is way down the

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list from that awesome, that's a
good word. Hey, well, that

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is our time and so hopefully we
will see you next time on the Bibble. Guys,