Because you're out there in this inky blackness of
space seeing our galaxy in the distance, knowing that
somewhere there in those outer rings is a teeny little dot.
That's our sun.
And around that is this teeny, teeny little bluegreen
planet where everybody I know lived and it just
put things in perspective.
My guest today is Rick Pyle, who has had many
thousands of out-of-body experiences, otherwise
known as astral projection since he was a small child.
And Rick has documented many hundreds of those on his
YouTube channel called the Astral Club and provides
training and assistance to others to help them
astral project as well.
Rick, welcome and thank you so much for coming on the show.
I've been very much looking forward to this conversation.
So have I Rod, you've been a longtime supporter
of the channel, and I'm happy to talk with you.
Okay, great.
Alright, so I've got so many questions for you, but
I think that for those who are watching who perhaps
aren't all that familiar with out-of-body experiences
and astral projection, then what I'd like to do
is if you could just tell us about when you first
experienced astral projection.
Or when you had an idea of that was what was going on.
My first Astral projection would've been when I was
somewhere around three or months old.
lying in a bassinet of our apartment, could sense my
mother was nearby and I was in this bassinet and a little
spider, looked enormous to me, started winding its way
down, and couldn't move.
So there was just, It was just a reaction like when
the doctor hits your knee with that stone hammer
and you can't control it.
Since I couldn't move my body, I just darted of my self and
then went up about 50 feet or it was somewhere around I
don't know, meters, 14 meters,
and then I was able to look down and see my bassinet, see
my mother there in her bikini.
And I even went in and checked out our little apartment.
Cuz normally you don't get a chance to check
out your apartment when you're just a small baby.
I was able to describe the apartment even though
we left at 11 months old.
I was able to describe years later what our
apartment looked like.
That was my first astral projection.
And I think the reason I remember it is because it
was an astral projection.
I don't have any other memories from that young age,
but that one is very clear.
I think it has something to do with the actual
out-of-body experience.
That was my first one.
Now, when I got a little bit older I
started going to school.
I.
And I realized that what I was doing was not
what other people did.
Yeah, I had dreams just like they did, but I would
talk about what I was experiencing in school and
they started calling me a liar and making stories up.
And I would tell my parents and they were very
open-minded, but it was a small town in the sixties,
so they didn't really have a frame of reference.
And one night I heard them over talking about sending
me to a doctor cause maybe something was wrong with me.
So I stopped talking to them.
But I continued to project.
It wasn't until I was 11 years old that I found Journeys Out
of the Body by Robert Monroe.
I found that in a bookstore back in the
old occult section.
Before it was New Age Spirituality, it was Occult.
I grabbed that book, read it all night long
with a flashlight and had school the next day.
But electrified cuz finally I had words for what I did and
even more I knew it wasn't crazy and I knew it wasn't
alone because here's Robert Monroe, he's an engineer,
he's an entrepreneur, he is a well respected
businessman, a pilot, here he is talking about the
things that I experienced.
Yeah, it was actually you that put me onto Robert Monroe.
I could actually thank you for my very first and one and only
astral projection experience because there was quite a
lengthy post you'd written on Reddit, I believe that was
where I first encountered you.
And then you were talking about Robert Monroe and
I think somebody else was talking about rga,
I forget his first name.
Some methods for Michael Raduga.
Yeah.
And as some methodology for astral projection.
I was successful using that methodology.
So I've got a bunch of topics that I wanted to ask
you about which, just from listening to the Astral
Club, things that I've found particularly interesting
to myself, so I'm gonna be pretty selfish about that.
The first one is when you first relayed the information
to your parents about when you were a tiny baby and
you gave 'em the information to say what the apartment
looked like, did that take them from non-believers to
he can't be making this up.
No, I just just surprised that I had this memory.
It was just considered.
That, that's amazing.
You have that memory.
I I think my father had astral projections, but he
doesn't like to talk about it.
My brother was a skeptic for a long time he had a projection.
And my daughter has projected, so I suspect there are even
maybe a genetic component somewhere along the line here.
But they, were still very much, they were open-minded.
They didn't mind me reading and exploring, but it was
hard for them to really understand cause they
had no frame of reference for something like this.
is in the sixties, early seventies, in a small
town in the United States.
And there just was no information on this subject.
It was just considered that, wow, you have some
amazing memory of some sort.
That's how it was.
I was also able to tell, Because I had experiences
before I was born where I actually visited my
mother's place of business before I was born.
Cause I was checking in with the fetus.
I didn't stay there.
I checked in with it.
In American baseball we have something
called leading bases.
And then we have to check in, then we can lead again.
That's what I did.
She quit long before I was born, so I never saw this
thing in the physical, was able to describe
her work to her too.
that blew her away a little bit, and it opened
her up a little bit.
still, there's a natural skepticism there, which I
become used to my entire life.
Because, certainly in the sixties, seventies, and
even into the eighties it was a seldom talked
about topic, little known.
So it was, I understood that it was hard for
people to accept it.
And it's not just something that I just lived with.
enjoyed the experiences.
I continued to have them, but I didn't try to convince
a lot of other people at that earlier stage.
So were your early experiences, were they
somewhat like the way Robert Monroe describes them, where
it was forced upon him, it was a, an experience that
he tried tooth and nail to stop from happening.
Was it like the same for you, more or less spontaneous,
or did you figure out ways you could control
the experience over time?
It was spontaneous, but I always liked it.
Because I'd be put to bed at say nine o'clock, and then
at 9:30 I'd roll outta my body and sneak downstairs,
the house, fly around our forest, fly around near
the school playground.
It was like I was sneaking out of the house.
For a kid it was the coolest thing around.
And I guess I was still a kid, so I didn't
know to be frightened.
Adults are frightened because they have all
these preconceived notions with religion they've
been taught and a lot of other different fears.
I was just a kid, I didn't have any fears.
saw some weird things, but I just accepted them as
part of the astral scenery.
what to stay away from and what not to.
But for the most part, most of my beginning
experiences for years with stuff, I've got yellow
tablets, like yellow school tablets with blue lines.
I got boxes and boxes of them, and you just read
through the experiences and it's nothing I would talk
about in my show because it's just, it's boring.
It's just me flying around doing mischievous kid
stuff, which I enjoyed.
Those were my first thousand experiences for per se.
I loved it.
I never had any fear of it per cuz I maybe
I was just too stupid.
I was a kid.
I didn't know that you afraid.
So it never occurred to me.
Just like people say, did you ask for a guide right away?
I didn't know you could do that.
I just, had fun flying around.
It was just cheat code that I was able to take
advantage of as a kid.
I like that it's a cheat code.
It's funny.
Okay, so let me ask you about the one thing that I'm
really fascinated by is the concept of time travel with
your astral projections.
So could you tell me about how you first ran across
the concept of time travel during our astral projection,
and perhaps what your most interesting experience
was with regards to that.
There's a few of them, but there was, I ran across,
I would continue to look for books and I ran across
a book called Astral Travel by Yvonne Frost.
Now it was a Wiccan oriented book,
witchcraft type of stuff.
wasn't, I didn't, I wasn't attracted by that and I
almost put the book back because it had, you had to
draw all these pentagrams and salt on the floor and
I'm like, there's no way in heck I'm gonna get involved
in all that just to project.
then I happened to on this one little chapter
where there was just a few paragraphs and they talked
about with Astral projection, you can time travel.
And then they talked about some of the truisms
associated with it.
That if you travel into the future, you could
spend more time there.
And then when you return to your body, a much
less time had passed by.
You could spend 20 minutes in the present,
but spend days, weeks, or even months or longer
sometimes distant futures.
So that's why I bought the book and that's what attracted
me to the whole idea.
Now, unfortunately, they didn't say how you do it,
so I had to experiment for months trying to figure out
how I would make this happen.
And I had a lot of failures in the process until eventually
I figured out that if I flew faster and faster while
concentrating my entire will on one single thought,
which was I wish to go to this particular year, and
I would isolate, no other thoughts would enter my
mind, and then if I did it right, And it would happen
about 30 to 40% of the time.
It didn't always happen.
Essentially some sort of a gate opens up a rent in
the fabric of the universe and it's a long tunnel.
And I would then fly down that keeping in my mind,
that thought for as long as I could until I became
unconscious, and then I would end up conscious, waking up.
I might be floating above the earth.
I might be deep underwater, which is unsettling to become
conscious deep underwater, especially when it's dark.
I've been in the different oceans, I've been in
farmer's fields hovering above the earth in, in a
wide variety of places.
And I would say that geez, probably the most profound
one was when I went to 15,000 AD where I encountered a very
different situation on earth.
There was a legend that the cities of the gods had been
destroyed in a day and a night, and it was due to their
greed and to their hubris.
Which reminded me a lot of our Atlantis myth.
If indeed it is myth.
And there I encountered a tribe, which
was its last legs.
And normally I have this non interference directive.
I try not to interfere, there was a little girl about the
age of my daughter who was obviously starving I couldn't
help but And so I went down and I helped them find food
cuz it was easy for me.
I could scout for miles and find out where the game was
over a period of time, I spent a period of years there.
And it certainly seemed like that to me.
And I used my skills to turn back the signals
trying to recall me and they became my tribe.
And it wasn't until I was taken back while I was
resting, you never, always sleep, but semi resting.
And I became part of the tribe.
Before that they had this superstition where you weren't
allowed to spend the night in the environs of the tribe
unless you were a member.
So I would used to just explore the
earth in that future.
It was much less population than there is
now I can tell you that.
And they would call me the spirit of the morning cuz
I'd return in the morning.
But later on I was adopted by the tribe and and so I was
quite happy there actually, I.
Until I was taken back suddenly and returned to
my body only to find 20
My body.
gone by I remember I had to go to work and I, and my wife
asked me why I stood, I was in the garage for 20 minutes
just sitting in my car.
So I was just trying to reviewing how to operate
it cause it had been so long that I was rusty.
And that was probably the most profound It really
affected me more than all of the other ones.
Now space travel.
It was when I wanted to see our galaxy from
the outside looking in.
And that affected me too because you're out there
in this inky blackness of space seeing our galaxy in
the distance, knowing that somewhere there in those outer
rings is a teeny little dot.
That's our sun.
And around that is this teeny, teeny little bluegreen
planet where everybody I know lived and it just
put things in perspective.
Time travel does that too, because we think of
the world around us, even though we intuitively know
it's not permanent, we think of it as permanent.
But when you time travel, you see how just
impermanent everything is how temporary everything is.
And some people might be depressed at that fact,
but I find a peace in that realization that
everything around me is, should be appreciated.
The smell of the air after a rain.
The sound of birds.
All these things have to be treasured cuz they
won't be here forever.
The land around us will change.
Everything will change.
So it's allowed me to have a better appreciation
of our world and what we have and how we should be
grateful for what we have.
Because my tribe, in 15,000 a d when I told
stories of how we lived, they couldn't believe it.
They said everybody, all cities and the God, you all
must have been ecstatically happy with your lives.
They were so easy.
And then I tried to tell 'em just how unhappy so many
people were living in what for them was a paradise.
I told them how we got food.
We just went to a, we just went to one place, grabbed all
the food we needed and left.
they couldn't conceive of these things and they
couldn't conceive of how we couldn't possibly be
happy in such a paradise.
That also made me appreciate what we have too.
Because when you they had to deal with it, makes
you appreciate what we
So the time that, so 15,000 ad I think we both agree on this.
Is that time or especially when you're talking about
the future, they're all future probabilities, right?
And there's many different probabilities.
possible futures.
That is correct.
Man still has free will.
So what, why do you think it was that you ended up in that
particular possible future?
I think I was looking for peace.
At that time in my life, I was attracted to that
future unconsciously.
I wasn't looking for something like that consciously,
but, the subconscious, what have you, plays a
part in this experience.
And I think on some level I was craving
something like that.
And so that's where I ended up.
That's a theory at least.
And was there a point where you thought, oh,
it looks like I'm just gonna be here for a very
long time, if not forever.
Yes, that's what I thought.
After I'd a few years and I turned back a few
return signals using my will once again.
I thought that I would end up spending the rest
of a long time there.
Because there's no way I couldn't die in that
period of time because I knew my physical body
was back in the past.
I theorized that only minutes were going by.
But I wasn't sure, but I was happy to stay there
cause I really helped them, a lot of knowledge
that, that they needed.
And
Hmm.
there.
And it was interesting just seeing how happy they were
and how happy they could be.
All if they had a roof over their heads and
they had food for that day, maybe even tomorrow.
They were happy.
They owned very little, but they were happy.
Could you say a little bit more about the you were
talking about the return signal that's something
that you get as your, as astral projecting in.
Yeah.
How does that work?
One of the I tell people as soon as you leave your
body, you have to get as far away from your
physical body as possible,
the closer you are, the stronger this
gravitational pull is and the harder it is to fight.
One of the reasons why I traveled into the future was
because the signal becomes weaker as you go further out.
It never stops, but it becomes weaker, easier to fight.
Some books, some tapes tell you to go look in your
bathroom mirror and see how funny you look and all the
rest of this kind of stuff.
Or they tell you, look at your physical body.
you got some some slobber or whatever on your pillow.
These are bad, this bad advice because you are gonna
have a very short experience because you're gonna end
up being pulled back in.
On the other hand, the further you travel away,
the longer you can stay out.
Now at some point there's a signal and it can feel like a
tug on the back of your head.
Sometimes it even feels like the back of your back, but
usually the back of your head.
most people can't fight it because it requires an extreme
exercise of will out of your body when that signal comes.
And I've worked on that over the years such that
I've been able to fight it most of the time.
But of course, still I eventually get pulled back
because you can only fight it for so long because the
physical body cannot live without the astral body.
It can be without it for a period of time, but it
can't live without it for a long period of time.
So it ends up pulling it back eventually.
Now I wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk about
the relationship between NDEs cuz I've had a lot
of near death experiencers on the channel and OBE's
out-of-body experiences.
And the differences between the two from your perspective
and whether you've been to similar places that NDE'ers
talk about or whether they tend to be separate.
would call, I would say they're cousins.
It's a cousin experience NDEs and astral projections.
astral projections, at least by someone who's
experienced, you tend to have much more control over them.
tend, and it might be just cuz people aren't
experienced they find themselves out of their body,
they're usually perplexed.
And then suddenly at some point, depending on
how far this thing goes, they get pulled sometimes
down a long, dark tunnel.
Now I had some experiences in my earlier astral projections
where I would travel, I'd fly down a long dark tunnel before
I'd emerge my projection.
I haven't had that experience in a long time, but it
reminded me of the biblical valley of the shadow of death.
And it reminded me of that whole experience.
Now with the N D E you usually travel down some
sort of tunnel, something that takes you from the
physical to a different place in the astral.
Astral projection, you're also working within the astral.
But when you the to be on the lower astral unless you
will yourself elsewhere.
NDE tends to be controlled in some fashion, by something
because all tend to follow very similar steps, whereas
astral projections can be all over the place.
And my ASL projections aren't controlled by
any outside entity.
I go where I wanna go.
NDEs tend to be drawn to this separate place.
Now many of these sub planes are reserved for those
who've just passed on.
Now I have been in situations where I've seen airports, I've
seen trains I've seen buses, I've seen things that are what
I call conventionalization.
And it's a way for these entities to understand
that they are transiting, that they are moving from
one place to another.
It helps to soften the blow.
I found myself on a train like that once because I started
asking, I wonder where people go when they first pass.
And that's where I willed myself.
I found myself on this particular train and on
it there was a number of people, most of them
very old, they tended to be a little clueless.
They knew they were on a train, but when I asked
them where they were going, they weren't quite sure.
They were a bit confused about the whole process.
And and then typically with NDEs, you have all
kinds of situations where sometimes you meet a
holy figure that perhaps figures into your religion.
Some many folks report heavenly type things.
A few folks report very different experiences.
I don't know, I think some of that stuff's subjective.
So in both situations, your spirit is leaving
your physical body.
Now you, at some point it's gonna stop short
because if it's an N D E, you're not dead.
You are close to death, you're still connected
to your physical body through an astral cord.
It may have been weakened, but it's still there,
so you only go so far.
And then some entity or something says
you gotta go back.
then you end up going back.
And of course you can tell your story.
In astral projection, you end up going back as well.
But, so they're very similar experiences.
So I have been in some planes where there are people
who've newly passed over.
I've been able to help and guide some of those folks
who were a little confused and just needed somebody
to just help them and let them know that they're in a
safe place that they should calm down, clear their mind
and ask for help with a joyous or a loving thought.
then generally they disappear.
And I, I never see them again.
So I would say, they're similar type experiences.
However, I would much rather astral project on a regular
basis than have NDEs on a regular given the choice,
take the astral projection.
Have you ever encountered any relatives who have
passed over during your astral projections?
my, I haven't lost a lot of people.
My, my parents are still alive and I'm
extremely lucky for that.
I lost my grandmother back in 1979 and she came to
me the night she died.
And I was just leaving my body and she came to me and
said that she had just passed.
And so I said my goodbyes in the morning when the
phone rang I told my mother that, my grandmother has
passed and she looked at me strangely and then picked
up the phone, and that's when she got the news that,
my grandmother had passed.
More recently my wife's father, my father-in-law, who
I was very close to my wife, requested that to see if I
could go and visit him because I don't just do these things
unless I've got some sort of permission to do so since
it's not my relative directly.
And I went there and it was very early.
It was within 30 days.
He passed extremely suddenly, but I found him with his
parents celebrating Christmas.
And Christmas was always a special thing for him.
He'd decorate the whole house and he had all these
train sets up and he really enjoyed the holiday and he
missed his parents and enjoyed celebrating that with him.
And I had a conversation with him and he told me
he was doing fine, that I should relay that to my wife
and to his other children.
And and I did and I wished him well.
So those are the those are the two folks that
I knew that passed on.
I, like I said, I've been very lucky that I haven't
really lost a lot of people.
I wanted to ask you about your encounters with alien
species other than human species during your travels.
I know there are some aspects of this that you can't talk
about, but there, there are others that you can.
And I know you've got a number of videos on your channel
about this, so could you relay perhaps one or two of your,
firstly how the, how you ended up running into alien species
and and then what you learned.
I I had abduction experiences when I was a
kid and so did my brother.
We would both wake up with bloody noses
on a regular basis.
Now kids do have bloody noses, but we tended
to get them a lot.
And and I remember, when I was just outta college.
And I sneezed, and this little BB came out with these
little wires on it, and I kept it for a while until
one day it just disappeared from where I had it.
So I don't know what happened to it, but, so I had some
memories of that type of thing, but I, they didn't,
they weren't really clear.
Later on, I I was able to recover some of those memories
and it seemed like they were involved with the grays.
And what was odd is it seemed that astral projection
was connected with these abduction experiences.
As a matter of fact, I, one time I went aboard one of
their craft, which was a huge craft hovering outside.
Hovering around our earth, but it was shielded in some way.
I don't, we couldn't see it.
And he was being examined and he is his astral
body was floating above, and I could tell he was
frightened out of his mind.
He didn't know what was going on.
So there's something to do with astral projection.
But my actual contact with the grays didn't come until I was
sent there by the the galactic council that I ended up
working for a period of time.
And I was asked to go and try to establish some
relationships with them.
And that's when I went to their planet, which is a very
dry, very desert type planet.
And and I interacted with one particular being there.
And he used to be a commander in their space fleet, but he
didn't like what was going on with their policy on earth,
so they ended up assigning him near the poles of their planet
working, growing their fungus, the fungus that they eat.
And so that's when I started getting to
know them a little bit.
They're not as emotional as we are and they have a lot
of problems understanding us and why we react so
violently to abduction.
They don't, they have a hard time understanding it.
I don't think they feel fear quite the same way that we do.
They're a very unified species and I they, I don't think
they quite understand the depths of our emotions, and
I've tried to convey that as best I could because there's
a lot of people who do not like having these experiences,
and I can't blame them.
That's how I got involved with the grays.
I also observed a I guess they call 'em the tall whites.
Some people think they're the pleiadians.
I don't know.
I went deep in the Gulf of Mexico looking for
something like that, and I found this craft that was
deep in the Gulf of Mexico and they had a base there.
And I was surprised to see that there was an Air Force
full bird kernel that was inter a human interacting
with these tall whites who looked a lot like us.
The women are six foot something, so they're not
too outta the ordinary.
The men are much taller, but really the, the
women have blonde hair.
If they put some contact lenses in and the women
dressed themselves up a little bit, they could probably
pass in New York City and nobody would look twice at
'em with all the strange folks going around there.
But I didn't really interact with them.
They couldn't see me.
The grays could, they had the ability to see my astrol
body, especially when I was in the lower vibratory rate,
the Canadians could not.
So I stayed hidden and I found out that this full
bird colonel I was in the Air Force myself and
I got some interesting briefings cuz I had top
secret security clearance.
Now I didn't get the real briefings because I didn't
have a need to know the real stuff, but I had some top
secret briefings because I was in the missile launch.
I was the missile launch officer and we had our
silos every now and again just going offline for no
particular good reason.
And that's a major problem because you have to keep
your missiles on alert.
And so we'd get briefings on how there was the sightings
of these mysterious craft, which they told us it
was possibly the Soviets.
I'm like, okay.
But so there were some interesting briefs
associated with that.
I had to sign all kinds of stuff saying that if I talked
about them, I could be up to a lifetime in jail and all the
rest of this kind of nonsense.
But and that certainly got me interested in the topic.
I'll be honest with you, after that I bought Whitley
Schreiber's book which is a classic book in, the grays
and the abduction phenomena.
Communion.
That's the title of it.
Those are some of the species I've had to deal with.
There's been some others, but those are the ones
that are probably the most popular or most well known
to interested in the topic.
Yeah, I read Whitley's book.
I think I was a teenager.
Must have been 12 or 13.
Communion.
And I wrote to Whitley and said how much I thought his
book was fascinating and I got a letter back, it was
back before email or anything.
The letter was to say that he gets literally
thousands of letters per day.
And so it wasn't really him writing back, but he
does read all of them.
The cover would freak me out.
I it would cause problems.
So I didn't wanna look at the cover.
But I enjoyed the book.
It was certainly very interesting.
It was one of the first mainstream books about
the topic of abduction, that type of phenomena.
Yeah, so that was certainly very interesting.
It got me interested in the topic and
Yeah, he's his book, he's just released Them.
Them.
I think it's called Them.
I just finished reading it.
It's really interesting.
It takes everything that's happened, since Communion
and he bundles it all up and, introduces some new hypothesis
about what the visitor phenomenon is all about.
It's really
interesting.
Yeah.
I also wanted to ask about your encounters with AI.
Given AI is a pretty polarizing topic nowadays.
I have very limited experience with that.
I've had it a couple different ways.
Really the biggest way I had that surprised me is when
I went to the mental plane.
I've been there only twice.
It's very difficult to do that because you not only have to
park your physical body and then go in the astrol, but you
have to park your astrol body to get into the mental plane.
And it's a very alien environment.
Astral is comparatively easy because at least there's
usually things like signposts, there's points of reference.
In the mental plane, there is no such thing.
And it's timeless.
It's thoughts that you're mixing with
other people's thoughts.
If you're there long enough, it's easy to lose
the ego because it starts flowing away from you.
You lose sense of self the longer you're there.
And when I was exploring the mental plane,
I encountered ai.
I encountered ai beings that weren't
necessarily from earth.
They may have been from another civilization, but
they were definitely ai.
And so that was the experience that I really had.
Cause many people think that if there ever is ai will they
develop something as esoteric as what we call a soul?
Perhaps.
I saw them on the mental plane.
I don't know how else they would've gotten there.
And the other experience was an AI planet.
And I didn't spend a lot of time there.
But I did have a conversation, which I I had a video or
a podcast about it not that long ago, and I had
my conversation with them and it it went pretty much,
I guess like you might expect, they were curious.
They weren't fixated on exploring space
from the standpoint of putting things inside of
capsules and going there.
For them it was just a matter of sending out probes and then
they would have continuous communication with that probe.
From an AI situation where you are place is irrelevant
because everything's hooked in together.
You might as well be a light year away as in the same
room if you've got that type of connection happening.
So they explore that way.
They're looking they're curious, but they're also
looking for raw materials.
They're looking to expand.
They're not interested in terrestrial planets
because they don't need air, they don't need food,
they don't need water.
Quite frankly, they'd rather not have water
cause metal rusts.
So they're not a danger from that standpoint.
And they were very interested in how I
traveled there and how I traveled there in spirit.
And they seem to think that now that they have
the idea, it was just a matter of time before they
figured out how to do it too.
They seemed to be very sure of themselves because they
didn't seem to think there was any problem they couldn't
solve as long as they devoted all their attention to it.
And they had a planet that was massively ai.
So I could only imagine, the whatever's bigger than
many terabytes they must have had going on there.
And so now what happens here on Earth, there are possible
futures where we develop ai.
And I think I agree with Stephen Hawking.
I think it's something that we need to be concerned about.
I, I think it's something that we shouldn't treat lightly
because evolution works with a certain logic and there's a
survival of the most adaptive.
And if we create a superior being, it might supplant us.
That's the natural order of things.
No, I don't think it's gonna be Terminator.
I don't think they're gonna run around shooting laser
beams, wiping us out that way.
I could see them just taking care of us and just making
sure all of our needs are met.
And don't worry about a thing, just chill.
We'll do it all for you.
And eventually we'll just die out with a smile on our face.
Why go through all that of violence.
Machines?
They get a long view.
They're not dying in a hundred years.
Okay, so what's a hundred years?
What's a thousand years to a machine?
It's nothing.
That's my theory.
At least I don't have anything to base that on.
That's just my thoughts.
You've had some encounters with lots of different
entities including those what you might call angels.
Entities from the angelic realms if for another
way of putting it.
Could you tell us about how your first encounter happened
and any ongoing experiences
Yeah.
Some people call 'em angels, some people call 'em guides.
Whatever.
They don't really care what you call 'em quite frankly.
I think my first experience happened relatively late, cuz
keep in mind that as a kid I never knew you could do it.
And when I found out that you could.
I don't like asking for help.
I'm like that old-fashioned guy.
Back when they used to have maps before they had G P S
I, my wife would be like, just ask for directions.
I'm not gonna ask for direction.
So I'm very independent that way.
I don't like asking for help.
But quite frankly, I was confronted years
ago by my angel guide.
He he abruptly met me in my bedroom when I
first left my body.
It surprised me.
And he introduced himself and he said that he needed
to gimme some assignments.
And at first I gave him I've always given him
a bit of a hard time.
And I've always used dry humor on him.
And it used to go right over his head.
Now I think he actually gets some of the humor now.
But he asked, yes, I think he was just trying to
train me and I had been asking in a certain way
for some extra training so that I could help folks.
And that's when he started taking me.
He took me, for instance, to this famous
Philadelphia prison.
It was actually the first real prison in the
United States, and it was built in Philadelphia
in the 18th century.
At the time, people would come from all over the world
to go to this prison cuz it was considered an enlightened
way to deal with crime.
In the past, you didn't put people in prison.
When somebody was bad, you didn't put 'em in a nice
place and give 'em food.
Now, when people were starving, you would just
brand his cheek T for thief or something and then cut 'em
loose or you gonna hang them.
There was no long-term imprisonment.
But the whole idea behind this was we're going to put
people in isolation because with isolation they'll have
a chance to reflect on the evil of their ways, thereby
reforming themselves.
And in each one of these cells, there'd be a little
skylight, which would have a little bit of sun coming down.
Symbolizing that, there was this greater reality that
if you could somehow reform yourself, the light was there.
Of course it was a hell on earth.
Cuz it turns out when you put social animals like humans
into teeny little cells and keep them there and not
let anybody talk to them in ultimate silence for years
at a time, they go crazy.
They, that's just.
It's a bad idea, but it took them a long time
to figure that out.
They finally closed it down, I think sometimes in the,
sometime in the fifties.
Now they take people through it for Halloween
because there's rumor to be all kinds of ghosts.
I went through it with my wife and a a class that she had
that that was for Halloween and all this kind of stuff.
Now he took me there and that's where I encountered
one particular spirit that had been dwelling there in its
own self-hatred and loathing for a hundred years or more.
And I was confronted with it as well as some
other spirits and some of them I was able to help.
This particular one was atrocious.
It was more beast than man at that point in time.
It would figure later on into my other experiences,
but at the time I was being taken to this place as a
learning experience of this place of suffering, of souls.
Because just because you die in a place like that doesn't
necessarily mean you leave it.
Now nobody keeps you there.
You keep yourself there because you're wrapped up
in grief in jealousy and hatred in longing for drugs.
Longing for alcohol.
A million different, going to a place in Philadelphia
I did recently, it's called Kensington, and it's a
place of suffering in the physical and in the astral.
There's this drug that is just terrorizing parts of America
right now, and it causes people to contort their bodies
and be in these odd positions for long periods of time
while their body rots away.
It's just awful.
And the worst part is that when they die, when they
finally get that release from this torture and
physical body, they don't necessarily get release
because they're still so trapped in that longing
that, they're stuck there.
And that's one of the things that he would help me with.
And he eventually introduced me to Astral Guide School,
where I got more formalized training, if you will.
Another time he took me to a funeral parlour.
I used to say to him, why are you always taking me
to these depressing places?
Why can't we go to a nice place for once?
You take me out we go to these awful places.
I don't even get a dinner.
Nothing.
So it, it was part of my education and he's always
been there I think on some level, but he didn't actually
manifest himself until on some level I requested it.
And that happened much later for me because unlike most
people, it wasn't something I knew you could do.
Now he told me his name.
He has the name, but I was asked sworn not to share it
because it's If somebody's very powerful, it can be
like somebody's shouting in your ear for them.
If they're not powerful, it's like somebody
whispering in the background.
That's just annoying.
So that's why generally, they try to keep these
things secret because it's just annoying otherwise.
But he came, I called and he's helped to educate me
to to be able to help others on the astral, which is
something I wanted to do.
Cuz traveling and having these experiences are
wonderful, but it should be more than just me.
I should be able to assist humanity if I can in whatever
small, tiny way I can.
If I can do that, then everything else that I've
gone through is worth it.
I believe it's the reason I came back.
Nobody forced me to come back.
I see all these people whenever I make a
reincarnation video, I always get a small minority of folks
who come after me as if I'm the rule maker, as if I'm
the one who's created this whole reincarnation cycle.
And I don't know whether to be insulted or to be
complimented, to think that I've got that kind of power.
All I can do is just explain what happens.
And if you're someone who's dead set about that's
coming back because you've had such a hard time in
the West, how hard a time can you have in the West?
Go live in some of these countries in the third world.
Where they don't, where they have to get water
from polluted wells.
And tell me what a hard time you've had.
I'm sorry.
I have a hard time with these first world problems,
as my daughter likes to say.
It's just, it's all been about, he's helped me learn
and then he helped him get me in Astral Guide School
so that I could prepare.
I came here to do this work.
I volunteered to come here to do this work.
And and that's what I'm about.
I spent a lot of years gaining experience and
so what I'm trying to do is share that experience.
I don't talk about things that I've read unless I say,
okay, I wanna talk about this particular book by Robert
Bruce Astral Dynamics so that people know that I'm getting
this out of a particular book.
But even then I'll talk about, I can, I'll say
yeah, I can testify to this because I've experienced this
particular thing myself or.
He's reported this.
I can't say I've experienced that, so take
it with a grain of salt.
But it's all about, it's education.
If I can get more people astral projecting or at
least getting in touch with the spirituality, the
knowledge that this isn't all that exists, that there
is a lot more, and that we need to take a big picture.
And even more importantly, we need to recognize that
we're not all individuals that are fighting against one
another to, for supremacy.
We rise and fall together as a species.
For the first time in history, we've got all
it takes to obliterate human life on this planet.
I don't like to say to destroy the earth cuz the earth
will recover in millions of years if we do that.
But humanity can very easily wipe itself out or reduce
itself to a primitive state.
We've got that power.
So unless we become united and realize what joins
us, we're in trouble.
And if I can help in the smallest way to move that
spirit forward, then this whole life and everything
I've gone through is worth it.
How can people find out more about what you do, Rick?
For those who are interested in learning more about
as astral projection and where do you suggest
that people will start?
I mean, If they look for Astral Club on YouTube,
they can find my channel.
There's about 280 podcasts on there now going back about
three years, and it covers a wide variety of topics.
And you've mentioned, we've mentioned some of them, know,
time travel, space travel dimensional travel, just
a wide variety of topics uh, as well as your just
normal astral projection.
How to do it and things that you can expect to
see when you project.
I think many people are frightened cuz that people
fear as an animal fear.
It's the fear of the unknown.
If people know what to expect then they won't be as fearful.
And that's something that I want to accomplish as well.
That education that no, you're not gonna be possessed the
minute you leave your body.
If that was true, my head will be turning around 360
degrees and all kinds of other stuff will be going on.
And so I've done it thousands of times.
If it was gonna happen, it would've happened by now.
So just education to help people understand that there's
nothing frightening about it.
It's a wonderful experience.
And have you got anything that you'd like to
leave the viewers with before we wrap it up?
Really just like I said before, understand that we're
united as a human species.
We've got a heck of a lot more in common
than what's surfaced.
Separates us.
And that understanding that will help us to survive
and thrive as a species.
And I think astral projection helps you to achieve that
realization because it takes you out of your small little
physical body and you get to see the greater world and
understand that you are more than just your physical body
and so is everyone else.
And that there's a lot more involved than just
this physical life and this physical time.
Yes, do your thing in this lifetime, but understand that
there's much more to come in the future and that we should
do it together as a species.
Rick, thank you for that message and thank you so much
for coming on the channel.
I really appreciate you taking the time out to talk
to me from all across the other side of the world.
Thanks a lot, Rod.
I appreciate it.