1 00:00:00,049 --> 00:00:02,029 Because you're out there in this inky blackness of 2 00:00:02,029 --> 00:00:06,110 space seeing our galaxy in the distance, knowing that 3 00:00:06,110 --> 00:00:09,680 somewhere there in those outer rings is a teeny little dot. 4 00:00:09,710 --> 00:00:10,610 That's our sun. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,890 And around that is this teeny, teeny little bluegreen 6 00:00:13,890 --> 00:00:17,615 planet where everybody I know lived and it just 7 00:00:17,615 --> 00:00:19,235 put things in perspective. 8 00:00:22,425 --> 00:00:25,365 My guest today is Rick Pyle, who has had many 9 00:00:25,365 --> 00:00:28,585 thousands of out-of-body experiences, otherwise 10 00:00:28,585 --> 00:00:31,045 known as astral projection since he was a small child. 11 00:00:31,345 --> 00:00:33,655 And Rick has documented many hundreds of those on his 12 00:00:33,655 --> 00:00:36,655 YouTube channel called the Astral Club and provides 13 00:00:36,655 --> 00:00:38,635 training and assistance to others to help them 14 00:00:38,905 --> 00:00:40,555 astral project as well. 15 00:00:40,715 --> 00:00:43,585 Rick, welcome and thank you so much for coming on the show. 16 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:45,525 I've been very much looking forward to this conversation. 17 00:00:45,525 --> 00:00:47,925 So have I Rod, you've been a longtime supporter 18 00:00:47,925 --> 00:00:50,655 of the channel, and I'm happy to talk with you. 19 00:00:51,555 --> 00:00:52,215 Okay, great. 20 00:00:52,555 --> 00:00:54,955 Alright, so I've got so many questions for you, but 21 00:00:54,955 --> 00:00:57,725 I think that for those who are watching who perhaps 22 00:00:57,730 --> 00:01:00,970 aren't all that familiar with out-of-body experiences 23 00:01:00,970 --> 00:01:04,540 and astral projection, then what I'd like to do 24 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:07,070 is if you could just tell us about when you first 25 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:09,150 experienced astral projection. 26 00:01:09,150 --> 00:01:11,340 Or when you had an idea of that was what was going on. 27 00:01:11,715 --> 00:01:14,085 My first Astral projection would've been when I was 28 00:01:14,085 --> 00:01:16,785 somewhere around three or months old. 29 00:01:18,375 --> 00:01:24,548 lying in a bassinet of our apartment, could sense my 30 00:01:24,548 --> 00:01:28,388 mother was nearby and I was in this bassinet and a little 31 00:01:28,388 --> 00:01:32,288 spider, looked enormous to me, started winding its way 32 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:35,828 down, and couldn't move. 33 00:01:35,918 --> 00:01:39,028 So there was just, It was just a reaction like when 34 00:01:39,028 --> 00:01:41,728 the doctor hits your knee with that stone hammer 35 00:01:41,908 --> 00:01:43,078 and you can't control it. 36 00:01:43,388 --> 00:01:49,958 Since I couldn't move my body, I just darted of my self and 37 00:01:49,958 --> 00:01:53,943 then went up about 50 feet or it was somewhere around I 38 00:01:53,943 --> 00:01:56,613 don't know, meters, 14 meters, 39 00:01:56,853 --> 00:01:59,703 and then I was able to look down and see my bassinet, see 40 00:01:59,703 --> 00:02:01,263 my mother there in her bikini. 41 00:02:01,563 --> 00:02:04,023 And I even went in and checked out our little apartment. 42 00:02:04,053 --> 00:02:06,528 Cuz normally you don't get a chance to check 43 00:02:06,528 --> 00:02:08,808 out your apartment when you're just a small baby. 44 00:02:09,321 --> 00:02:11,511 I was able to describe the apartment even though 45 00:02:11,511 --> 00:02:13,041 we left at 11 months old. 46 00:02:13,281 --> 00:02:15,291 I was able to describe years later what our 47 00:02:15,291 --> 00:02:16,581 apartment looked like. 48 00:02:16,941 --> 00:02:18,981 That was my first astral projection. 49 00:02:19,251 --> 00:02:21,801 And I think the reason I remember it is because it 50 00:02:21,806 --> 00:02:22,841 was an astral projection. 51 00:02:23,281 --> 00:02:26,301 I don't have any other memories from that young age, 52 00:02:26,751 --> 00:02:29,091 but that one is very clear. 53 00:02:29,091 --> 00:02:31,611 I think it has something to do with the actual 54 00:02:31,611 --> 00:02:32,991 out-of-body experience. 55 00:02:33,381 --> 00:02:34,341 That was my first one. 56 00:02:34,671 --> 00:02:36,781 Now, when I got a little bit older I 57 00:02:36,786 --> 00:02:37,601 started going to school. 58 00:02:38,101 --> 00:02:38,161 I. 59 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:41,911 And I realized that what I was doing was not 60 00:02:41,911 --> 00:02:43,201 what other people did. 61 00:02:43,661 --> 00:02:46,751 Yeah, I had dreams just like they did, but I would 62 00:02:46,751 --> 00:02:49,601 talk about what I was experiencing in school and 63 00:02:49,606 --> 00:02:52,421 they started calling me a liar and making stories up. 64 00:02:52,871 --> 00:02:55,361 And I would tell my parents and they were very 65 00:02:55,366 --> 00:02:58,181 open-minded, but it was a small town in the sixties, 66 00:02:58,571 --> 00:03:00,911 so they didn't really have a frame of reference. 67 00:03:01,211 --> 00:03:03,821 And one night I heard them over talking about sending 68 00:03:03,821 --> 00:03:06,941 me to a doctor cause maybe something was wrong with me. 69 00:03:07,211 --> 00:03:08,591 So I stopped talking to them. 70 00:03:08,891 --> 00:03:10,601 But I continued to project. 71 00:03:10,901 --> 00:03:14,951 It wasn't until I was 11 years old that I found Journeys Out 72 00:03:14,951 --> 00:03:16,661 of the Body by Robert Monroe. 73 00:03:17,151 --> 00:03:18,831 I found that in a bookstore back in the 74 00:03:18,831 --> 00:03:20,061 old occult section. 75 00:03:20,061 --> 00:03:22,711 Before it was New Age Spirituality, it was Occult. 76 00:03:23,901 --> 00:03:26,061 I grabbed that book, read it all night long 77 00:03:26,066 --> 00:03:28,221 with a flashlight and had school the next day. 78 00:03:28,226 --> 00:03:34,371 But electrified cuz finally I had words for what I did and 79 00:03:34,371 --> 00:03:37,521 even more I knew it wasn't crazy and I knew it wasn't 80 00:03:37,521 --> 00:03:41,091 alone because here's Robert Monroe, he's an engineer, 81 00:03:41,281 --> 00:03:43,801 he's an entrepreneur, he is a well respected 82 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:47,796 businessman, a pilot, here he is talking about the 83 00:03:47,796 --> 00:03:48,656 things that I experienced. 84 00:03:49,556 --> 00:03:52,916 Yeah, it was actually you that put me onto Robert Monroe. 85 00:03:53,236 --> 00:03:56,516 I could actually thank you for my very first and one and only 86 00:03:56,516 --> 00:03:59,276 astral projection experience because there was quite a 87 00:03:59,276 --> 00:04:01,976 lengthy post you'd written on Reddit, I believe that was 88 00:04:02,126 --> 00:04:04,736 where I first encountered you. 89 00:04:04,736 --> 00:04:07,476 And then you were talking about Robert Monroe and 90 00:04:07,476 --> 00:04:09,086 I think somebody else was talking about rga, 91 00:04:09,416 --> 00:04:10,436 I forget his first name. 92 00:04:10,806 --> 00:04:12,676 Some methods for Michael Raduga. 93 00:04:12,701 --> 00:04:12,936 Yeah. 94 00:04:13,236 --> 00:04:16,996 And as some methodology for astral projection. 95 00:04:16,996 --> 00:04:19,096 I was successful using that methodology. 96 00:04:19,146 --> 00:04:23,176 So I've got a bunch of topics that I wanted to ask 97 00:04:23,176 --> 00:04:26,826 you about which, just from listening to the Astral 98 00:04:26,831 --> 00:04:28,536 Club, things that I've found particularly interesting 99 00:04:28,541 --> 00:04:30,726 to myself, so I'm gonna be pretty selfish about that. 100 00:04:31,096 --> 00:04:35,441 The first one is when you first relayed the information 101 00:04:35,441 --> 00:04:37,751 to your parents about when you were a tiny baby and 102 00:04:37,751 --> 00:04:40,871 you gave 'em the information to say what the apartment 103 00:04:40,871 --> 00:04:43,641 looked like, did that take them from non-believers to 104 00:04:43,701 --> 00:04:44,906 he can't be making this up. 105 00:04:45,651 --> 00:04:50,161 No, I just just surprised that I had this memory. 106 00:04:50,491 --> 00:04:51,871 It was just considered. 107 00:04:53,141 --> 00:04:54,221 That, that's amazing. 108 00:04:54,221 --> 00:04:55,241 You have that memory. 109 00:04:55,641 --> 00:04:59,211 I I think my father had astral projections, but he 110 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:00,471 doesn't like to talk about it. 111 00:05:00,741 --> 00:05:05,271 My brother was a skeptic for a long time he had a projection. 112 00:05:05,271 --> 00:05:08,661 And my daughter has projected, so I suspect there are even 113 00:05:08,661 --> 00:05:12,201 maybe a genetic component somewhere along the line here. 114 00:05:12,591 --> 00:05:16,321 But they, were still very much, they were open-minded. 115 00:05:16,351 --> 00:05:19,471 They didn't mind me reading and exploring, but it was 116 00:05:19,476 --> 00:05:23,076 hard for them to really understand cause they 117 00:05:23,076 --> 00:05:26,106 had no frame of reference for something like this. 118 00:05:26,396 --> 00:05:29,246 is in the sixties, early seventies, in a small 119 00:05:29,246 --> 00:05:31,046 town in the United States. 120 00:05:31,076 --> 00:05:35,516 And there just was no information on this subject. 121 00:05:35,826 --> 00:05:39,936 It was just considered that, wow, you have some 122 00:05:39,936 --> 00:05:41,766 amazing memory of some sort. 123 00:05:41,846 --> 00:05:42,716 That's how it was. 124 00:05:42,946 --> 00:05:46,471 I was also able to tell, Because I had experiences 125 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:50,771 before I was born where I actually visited my 126 00:05:50,771 --> 00:05:53,801 mother's place of business before I was born. 127 00:05:53,831 --> 00:05:55,571 Cause I was checking in with the fetus. 128 00:05:55,571 --> 00:05:56,471 I didn't stay there. 129 00:05:56,471 --> 00:05:57,341 I checked in with it. 130 00:05:57,731 --> 00:05:59,376 In American baseball we have something 131 00:05:59,381 --> 00:06:00,816 called leading bases. 132 00:06:00,821 --> 00:06:03,276 And then we have to check in, then we can lead again. 133 00:06:03,786 --> 00:06:04,716 That's what I did. 134 00:06:04,816 --> 00:06:07,816 She quit long before I was born, so I never saw this 135 00:06:07,816 --> 00:06:10,546 thing in the physical, was able to describe 136 00:06:10,546 --> 00:06:11,896 her work to her too. 137 00:06:12,526 --> 00:06:15,256 that blew her away a little bit, and it opened 138 00:06:15,256 --> 00:06:15,857 her up a little bit. 139 00:06:16,701 --> 00:06:20,066 still, there's a natural skepticism there, which I 140 00:06:20,066 --> 00:06:22,526 become used to my entire life. 141 00:06:22,886 --> 00:06:25,356 Because, certainly in the sixties, seventies, and 142 00:06:25,361 --> 00:06:28,711 even into the eighties it was a seldom talked 143 00:06:28,711 --> 00:06:30,331 about topic, little known. 144 00:06:30,601 --> 00:06:32,551 So it was, I understood that it was hard for 145 00:06:32,556 --> 00:06:34,996 people to accept it. 146 00:06:35,476 --> 00:06:37,926 And it's not just something that I just lived with. 147 00:06:38,346 --> 00:06:39,726 enjoyed the experiences. 148 00:06:39,726 --> 00:06:42,906 I continued to have them, but I didn't try to convince 149 00:06:42,906 --> 00:06:45,846 a lot of other people at that earlier stage. 150 00:06:46,746 --> 00:06:48,846 So were your early experiences, were they 151 00:06:48,846 --> 00:06:51,546 somewhat like the way Robert Monroe describes them, where 152 00:06:51,556 --> 00:06:53,721 it was forced upon him, it was a, an experience that 153 00:06:53,721 --> 00:06:56,361 he tried tooth and nail to stop from happening. 154 00:06:56,731 --> 00:06:58,897 Was it like the same for you, more or less spontaneous, 155 00:06:58,897 --> 00:07:00,717 or did you figure out ways you could control 156 00:07:00,717 --> 00:07:01,517 the experience over time? 157 00:07:01,704 --> 00:07:04,765 It was spontaneous, but I always liked it. 158 00:07:05,284 --> 00:07:08,729 Because I'd be put to bed at say nine o'clock, and then 159 00:07:08,729 --> 00:07:13,559 at 9:30 I'd roll outta my body and sneak downstairs, 160 00:07:14,549 --> 00:07:18,239 the house, fly around our forest, fly around near 161 00:07:18,239 --> 00:07:19,409 the school playground. 162 00:07:19,649 --> 00:07:21,719 It was like I was sneaking out of the house. 163 00:07:22,254 --> 00:07:24,624 For a kid it was the coolest thing around. 164 00:07:24,874 --> 00:07:26,499 And I guess I was still a kid, so I didn't 165 00:07:26,499 --> 00:07:28,479 know to be frightened. 166 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:30,939 Adults are frightened because they have all 167 00:07:30,939 --> 00:07:33,939 these preconceived notions with religion they've 168 00:07:33,939 --> 00:07:36,639 been taught and a lot of other different fears. 169 00:07:36,969 --> 00:07:38,719 I was just a kid, I didn't have any fears. 170 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,309 saw some weird things, but I just accepted them as 171 00:07:42,309 --> 00:07:44,079 part of the astral scenery. 172 00:07:45,159 --> 00:07:47,979 what to stay away from and what not to. 173 00:07:47,979 --> 00:07:50,619 But for the most part, most of my beginning 174 00:07:50,619 --> 00:07:54,769 experiences for years with stuff, I've got yellow 175 00:07:54,769 --> 00:07:57,149 tablets, like yellow school tablets with blue lines. 176 00:07:57,979 --> 00:08:00,679 I got boxes and boxes of them, and you just read 177 00:08:00,684 --> 00:08:02,929 through the experiences and it's nothing I would talk 178 00:08:02,929 --> 00:08:06,349 about in my show because it's just, it's boring. 179 00:08:06,709 --> 00:08:10,189 It's just me flying around doing mischievous kid 180 00:08:10,189 --> 00:08:11,749 stuff, which I enjoyed. 181 00:08:12,149 --> 00:08:16,239 Those were my first thousand experiences for per se. 182 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,239 I loved it. 183 00:08:17,239 --> 00:08:20,359 I never had any fear of it per cuz I maybe 184 00:08:20,359 --> 00:08:21,229 I was just too stupid. 185 00:08:21,229 --> 00:08:21,769 I was a kid. 186 00:08:21,799 --> 00:08:24,439 I didn't know that you afraid. 187 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:25,669 So it never occurred to me. 188 00:08:26,119 --> 00:08:28,699 Just like people say, did you ask for a guide right away? 189 00:08:28,699 --> 00:08:30,439 I didn't know you could do that. 190 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:33,304 I just, had fun flying around. 191 00:08:33,744 --> 00:08:37,104 It was just cheat code that I was able to take 192 00:08:37,104 --> 00:08:38,364 advantage of as a kid. 193 00:08:39,264 --> 00:08:40,594 I like that it's a cheat code. 194 00:08:41,214 --> 00:08:41,694 It's funny. 195 00:08:42,054 --> 00:08:43,764 Okay, so let me ask you about the one thing that I'm 196 00:08:44,214 --> 00:08:47,419 really fascinated by is the concept of time travel with 197 00:08:47,419 --> 00:08:49,039 your astral projections. 198 00:08:49,489 --> 00:08:52,039 So could you tell me about how you first ran across 199 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:54,559 the concept of time travel during our astral projection, 200 00:08:54,829 --> 00:08:57,559 and perhaps what your most interesting experience 201 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,699 was with regards to that. 202 00:08:58,704 --> 00:09:01,264 There's a few of them, but there was, I ran across, 203 00:09:01,534 --> 00:09:04,654 I would continue to look for books and I ran across 204 00:09:04,654 --> 00:09:07,984 a book called Astral Travel by Yvonne Frost. 205 00:09:08,314 --> 00:09:12,244 Now it was a Wiccan oriented book, 206 00:09:12,564 --> 00:09:13,794 witchcraft type of stuff. 207 00:09:14,029 --> 00:09:16,549 wasn't, I didn't, I wasn't attracted by that and I 208 00:09:16,549 --> 00:09:19,649 almost put the book back because it had, you had to 209 00:09:19,649 --> 00:09:23,059 draw all these pentagrams and salt on the floor and 210 00:09:23,059 --> 00:09:25,459 I'm like, there's no way in heck I'm gonna get involved 211 00:09:25,459 --> 00:09:26,839 in all that just to project. 212 00:09:27,619 --> 00:09:31,459 then I happened to on this one little chapter 213 00:09:31,609 --> 00:09:34,249 where there was just a few paragraphs and they talked 214 00:09:34,249 --> 00:09:37,879 about with Astral projection, you can time travel. 215 00:09:38,059 --> 00:09:40,219 And then they talked about some of the truisms 216 00:09:40,219 --> 00:09:41,389 associated with it. 217 00:09:41,719 --> 00:09:44,449 That if you travel into the future, you could 218 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:45,689 spend more time there. 219 00:09:46,414 --> 00:09:48,634 And then when you return to your body, a much 220 00:09:48,634 --> 00:09:50,314 less time had passed by. 221 00:09:50,764 --> 00:09:53,314 You could spend 20 minutes in the present, 222 00:09:53,374 --> 00:09:57,004 but spend days, weeks, or even months or longer 223 00:09:57,004 --> 00:09:59,974 sometimes distant futures. 224 00:10:00,334 --> 00:10:04,184 So that's why I bought the book and that's what attracted 225 00:10:04,184 --> 00:10:05,144 me to the whole idea. 226 00:10:05,144 --> 00:10:08,624 Now, unfortunately, they didn't say how you do it, 227 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:13,514 so I had to experiment for months trying to figure out 228 00:10:13,544 --> 00:10:15,584 how I would make this happen. 229 00:10:15,854 --> 00:10:19,244 And I had a lot of failures in the process until eventually 230 00:10:19,244 --> 00:10:23,444 I figured out that if I flew faster and faster while 231 00:10:23,444 --> 00:10:28,964 concentrating my entire will on one single thought, 232 00:10:29,324 --> 00:10:34,364 which was I wish to go to this particular year, and 233 00:10:34,364 --> 00:10:37,214 I would isolate, no other thoughts would enter my 234 00:10:37,219 --> 00:10:41,214 mind, and then if I did it right, And it would happen 235 00:10:41,214 --> 00:10:43,344 about 30 to 40% of the time. 236 00:10:43,344 --> 00:10:44,184 It didn't always happen. 237 00:10:44,544 --> 00:10:48,814 Essentially some sort of a gate opens up a rent in 238 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:53,044 the fabric of the universe and it's a long tunnel. 239 00:10:53,314 --> 00:10:56,204 And I would then fly down that keeping in my mind, 240 00:10:56,314 --> 00:10:59,884 that thought for as long as I could until I became 241 00:10:59,884 --> 00:11:05,374 unconscious, and then I would end up conscious, waking up. 242 00:11:05,374 --> 00:11:06,994 I might be floating above the earth. 243 00:11:07,294 --> 00:11:12,604 I might be deep underwater, which is unsettling to become 244 00:11:12,604 --> 00:11:16,384 conscious deep underwater, especially when it's dark. 245 00:11:16,964 --> 00:11:18,784 I've been in the different oceans, I've been in 246 00:11:18,784 --> 00:11:22,664 farmer's fields hovering above the earth in, in a 247 00:11:22,664 --> 00:11:24,404 wide variety of places. 248 00:11:24,794 --> 00:11:27,884 And I would say that geez, probably the most profound 249 00:11:27,884 --> 00:11:33,104 one was when I went to 15,000 AD where I encountered a very 250 00:11:33,104 --> 00:11:34,934 different situation on earth. 251 00:11:35,474 --> 00:11:39,794 There was a legend that the cities of the gods had been 252 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:44,509 destroyed in a day and a night, and it was due to their 253 00:11:44,509 --> 00:11:47,769 greed and to their hubris. 254 00:11:48,199 --> 00:11:51,199 Which reminded me a lot of our Atlantis myth. 255 00:11:52,019 --> 00:11:53,149 If indeed it is myth. 256 00:11:53,719 --> 00:11:56,929 And there I encountered a tribe, which 257 00:11:56,929 --> 00:11:58,849 was its last legs. 258 00:11:59,349 --> 00:12:02,599 And normally I have this non interference directive. 259 00:12:02,599 --> 00:12:07,064 I try not to interfere, there was a little girl about the 260 00:12:07,064 --> 00:12:12,704 age of my daughter who was obviously starving I couldn't 261 00:12:12,704 --> 00:12:17,494 help but And so I went down and I helped them find food 262 00:12:17,514 --> 00:12:18,794 cuz it was easy for me. 263 00:12:18,794 --> 00:12:22,284 I could scout for miles and find out where the game was 264 00:12:23,214 --> 00:12:27,234 over a period of time, I spent a period of years there. 265 00:12:27,684 --> 00:12:29,424 And it certainly seemed like that to me. 266 00:12:29,424 --> 00:12:32,184 And I used my skills to turn back the signals 267 00:12:32,184 --> 00:12:35,344 trying to recall me and they became my tribe. 268 00:12:35,584 --> 00:12:39,404 And it wasn't until I was taken back while I was 269 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:43,604 resting, you never, always sleep, but semi resting. 270 00:12:44,444 --> 00:12:46,354 And I became part of the tribe. 271 00:12:46,354 --> 00:12:49,354 Before that they had this superstition where you weren't 272 00:12:49,354 --> 00:12:53,074 allowed to spend the night in the environs of the tribe 273 00:12:53,074 --> 00:12:54,124 unless you were a member. 274 00:12:54,134 --> 00:12:55,924 So I would used to just explore the 275 00:12:55,924 --> 00:12:57,754 earth in that future. 276 00:12:57,754 --> 00:12:59,974 It was much less population than there is 277 00:12:59,974 --> 00:13:00,934 now I can tell you that. 278 00:13:01,214 --> 00:13:03,514 And they would call me the spirit of the morning cuz 279 00:13:03,514 --> 00:13:04,804 I'd return in the morning. 280 00:13:05,444 --> 00:13:09,369 But later on I was adopted by the tribe and and so I was 281 00:13:09,369 --> 00:13:11,199 quite happy there actually, I. 282 00:13:11,259 --> 00:13:15,459 Until I was taken back suddenly and returned to 283 00:13:15,459 --> 00:13:16,839 my body only to find 20 284 00:13:16,899 --> 00:13:17,319 My body. 285 00:13:17,379 --> 00:13:22,269 gone by I remember I had to go to work and I, and my wife 286 00:13:22,269 --> 00:13:25,449 asked me why I stood, I was in the garage for 20 minutes 287 00:13:25,454 --> 00:13:26,769 just sitting in my car. 288 00:13:27,489 --> 00:13:29,889 So I was just trying to reviewing how to operate 289 00:13:29,889 --> 00:13:33,279 it cause it had been so long that I was rusty. 290 00:13:33,989 --> 00:13:39,059 And that was probably the most profound It really 291 00:13:39,059 --> 00:13:42,929 affected me more than all of the other ones. 292 00:13:43,339 --> 00:13:44,419 Now space travel. 293 00:13:44,809 --> 00:13:46,759 It was when I wanted to see our galaxy from 294 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,109 the outside looking in. 295 00:13:48,529 --> 00:13:51,169 And that affected me too because you're out there 296 00:13:51,169 --> 00:13:54,769 in this inky blackness of space seeing our galaxy in 297 00:13:54,769 --> 00:13:57,949 the distance, knowing that somewhere there in those outer 298 00:13:57,949 --> 00:14:00,049 rings is a teeny little dot. 299 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:00,979 That's our sun. 300 00:14:01,369 --> 00:14:04,259 And around that is this teeny, teeny little bluegreen 301 00:14:04,259 --> 00:14:07,984 planet where everybody I know lived and it just 302 00:14:07,984 --> 00:14:09,604 put things in perspective. 303 00:14:09,844 --> 00:14:13,894 Time travel does that too, because we think of 304 00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:16,804 the world around us, even though we intuitively know 305 00:14:16,809 --> 00:14:19,324 it's not permanent, we think of it as permanent. 306 00:14:19,744 --> 00:14:22,744 But when you time travel, you see how just 307 00:14:22,774 --> 00:14:26,794 impermanent everything is how temporary everything is. 308 00:14:27,214 --> 00:14:29,554 And some people might be depressed at that fact, 309 00:14:29,944 --> 00:14:33,274 but I find a peace in that realization that 310 00:14:33,274 --> 00:14:37,384 everything around me is, should be appreciated. 311 00:14:38,104 --> 00:14:40,864 The smell of the air after a rain. 312 00:14:41,764 --> 00:14:43,264 The sound of birds. 313 00:14:43,534 --> 00:14:45,814 All these things have to be treasured cuz they 314 00:14:45,814 --> 00:14:47,134 won't be here forever. 315 00:14:47,464 --> 00:14:49,774 The land around us will change. 316 00:14:49,774 --> 00:14:50,974 Everything will change. 317 00:14:51,514 --> 00:14:54,214 So it's allowed me to have a better appreciation 318 00:14:54,664 --> 00:14:58,234 of our world and what we have and how we should be 319 00:14:58,239 --> 00:14:59,255 grateful for what we have. 320 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:03,634 Because my tribe, in 15,000 a d when I told 321 00:15:03,634 --> 00:15:06,994 stories of how we lived, they couldn't believe it. 322 00:15:07,364 --> 00:15:11,234 They said everybody, all cities and the God, you all 323 00:15:11,234 --> 00:15:13,994 must have been ecstatically happy with your lives. 324 00:15:14,264 --> 00:15:15,464 They were so easy. 325 00:15:15,944 --> 00:15:18,434 And then I tried to tell 'em just how unhappy so many 326 00:15:18,439 --> 00:15:22,754 people were living in what for them was a paradise. 327 00:15:22,994 --> 00:15:24,434 I told them how we got food. 328 00:15:24,884 --> 00:15:28,334 We just went to a, we just went to one place, grabbed all 329 00:15:28,334 --> 00:15:29,834 the food we needed and left. 330 00:15:31,214 --> 00:15:34,514 they couldn't conceive of these things and they 331 00:15:34,514 --> 00:15:37,364 couldn't conceive of how we couldn't possibly be 332 00:15:37,364 --> 00:15:39,644 happy in such a paradise. 333 00:15:40,134 --> 00:15:43,794 That also made me appreciate what we have too. 334 00:15:44,304 --> 00:15:47,514 Because when you they had to deal with it, makes 335 00:15:47,514 --> 00:15:48,924 you appreciate what we 336 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:54,904 So the time that, so 15,000 ad I think we both agree on this. 337 00:15:54,904 --> 00:15:56,974 Is that time or especially when you're talking about 338 00:15:56,974 --> 00:15:58,984 the future, they're all future probabilities, right? 339 00:15:58,989 --> 00:16:00,634 And there's many different probabilities. 340 00:16:00,904 --> 00:16:01,924 possible futures. 341 00:16:01,929 --> 00:16:02,674 That is correct. 342 00:16:02,734 --> 00:16:04,534 Man still has free will. 343 00:16:05,034 --> 00:16:07,534 So what, why do you think it was that you ended up in that 344 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,664 particular possible future? 345 00:16:09,904 --> 00:16:11,344 I think I was looking for peace. 346 00:16:12,244 --> 00:16:16,714 At that time in my life, I was attracted to that 347 00:16:16,719 --> 00:16:18,484 future unconsciously. 348 00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:21,984 I wasn't looking for something like that consciously, 349 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,874 but, the subconscious, what have you, plays a 350 00:16:24,874 --> 00:16:26,404 part in this experience. 351 00:16:26,794 --> 00:16:29,744 And I think on some level I was craving 352 00:16:29,894 --> 00:16:31,564 something like that. 353 00:16:31,864 --> 00:16:34,294 And so that's where I ended up. 354 00:16:34,674 --> 00:16:36,174 That's a theory at least. 355 00:16:37,074 --> 00:16:38,834 And was there a point where you thought, oh, 356 00:16:38,934 --> 00:16:41,364 it looks like I'm just gonna be here for a very 357 00:16:41,364 --> 00:16:42,624 long time, if not forever. 358 00:16:42,644 --> 00:16:44,144 Yes, that's what I thought. 359 00:16:44,354 --> 00:16:48,134 After I'd a few years and I turned back a few 360 00:16:48,164 --> 00:16:51,194 return signals using my will once again. 361 00:16:51,774 --> 00:16:56,544 I thought that I would end up spending the rest 362 00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:58,454 of a long time there. 363 00:16:58,754 --> 00:17:00,954 Because there's no way I couldn't die in that 364 00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:04,044 period of time because I knew my physical body 365 00:17:04,044 --> 00:17:06,444 was back in the past. 366 00:17:06,904 --> 00:17:10,444 I theorized that only minutes were going by. 367 00:17:11,104 --> 00:17:14,254 But I wasn't sure, but I was happy to stay there 368 00:17:14,464 --> 00:17:18,134 cause I really helped them, a lot of knowledge 369 00:17:18,134 --> 00:17:19,544 that, that they needed. 370 00:17:20,134 --> 00:17:20,464 And 371 00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:21,294 Hmm. 372 00:17:21,664 --> 00:17:22,024 there. 373 00:17:22,384 --> 00:17:26,459 And it was interesting just seeing how happy they were 374 00:17:26,464 --> 00:17:27,749 and how happy they could be. 375 00:17:28,109 --> 00:17:30,679 All if they had a roof over their heads and 376 00:17:30,959 --> 00:17:35,279 they had food for that day, maybe even tomorrow. 377 00:17:35,729 --> 00:17:36,509 They were happy. 378 00:17:37,499 --> 00:17:38,159 They were happy. 379 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:41,579 They owned very little, but they were happy. 380 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,139 Could you say a little bit more about the you were 381 00:17:44,139 --> 00:17:46,139 talking about the return signal that's something 382 00:17:46,139 --> 00:17:48,539 that you get as your, as astral projecting in. 383 00:17:48,629 --> 00:17:48,779 Yeah. 384 00:17:48,779 --> 00:17:49,249 How does that work? 385 00:17:49,374 --> 00:17:53,094 One of the I tell people as soon as you leave your 386 00:17:53,094 --> 00:17:55,554 body, you have to get as far away from your 387 00:17:55,554 --> 00:17:58,014 physical body as possible, 388 00:17:58,974 --> 00:18:01,044 the closer you are, the stronger this 389 00:18:01,049 --> 00:18:05,224 gravitational pull is and the harder it is to fight. 390 00:18:06,054 --> 00:18:09,174 One of the reasons why I traveled into the future was 391 00:18:09,174 --> 00:18:13,584 because the signal becomes weaker as you go further out. 392 00:18:14,214 --> 00:18:17,484 It never stops, but it becomes weaker, easier to fight. 393 00:18:17,964 --> 00:18:21,654 Some books, some tapes tell you to go look in your 394 00:18:21,654 --> 00:18:24,084 bathroom mirror and see how funny you look and all the 395 00:18:24,084 --> 00:18:24,954 rest of this kind of stuff. 396 00:18:25,284 --> 00:18:27,564 Or they tell you, look at your physical body. 397 00:18:28,134 --> 00:18:31,069 you got some some slobber or whatever on your pillow. 398 00:18:31,419 --> 00:18:34,449 These are bad, this bad advice because you are gonna 399 00:18:34,449 --> 00:18:37,179 have a very short experience because you're gonna end 400 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:38,499 up being pulled back in. 401 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:40,929 On the other hand, the further you travel away, 402 00:18:40,934 --> 00:18:42,979 the longer you can stay out. 403 00:18:42,999 --> 00:18:47,409 Now at some point there's a signal and it can feel like a 404 00:18:47,409 --> 00:18:50,439 tug on the back of your head. 405 00:18:50,739 --> 00:18:52,899 Sometimes it even feels like the back of your back, but 406 00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,039 usually the back of your head. 407 00:18:55,329 --> 00:18:59,049 most people can't fight it because it requires an extreme 408 00:18:59,049 --> 00:19:04,309 exercise of will out of your body when that signal comes. 409 00:19:05,199 --> 00:19:08,864 And I've worked on that over the years such that 410 00:19:08,869 --> 00:19:12,104 I've been able to fight it most of the time. 411 00:19:12,404 --> 00:19:15,104 But of course, still I eventually get pulled back 412 00:19:15,564 --> 00:19:18,259 because you can only fight it for so long because the 413 00:19:18,449 --> 00:19:23,449 physical body cannot live without the astral body. 414 00:19:23,939 --> 00:19:27,024 It can be without it for a period of time, but it 415 00:19:27,024 --> 00:19:30,984 can't live without it for a long period of time. 416 00:19:31,044 --> 00:19:33,734 So it ends up pulling it back eventually. 417 00:19:34,634 --> 00:19:38,504 Now I wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk about 418 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,174 the relationship between NDEs cuz I've had a lot 419 00:19:41,174 --> 00:19:44,284 of near death experiencers on the channel and OBE's 420 00:19:44,299 --> 00:19:45,464 out-of-body experiences. 421 00:19:46,229 --> 00:19:49,669 And the differences between the two from your perspective 422 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:52,509 and whether you've been to similar places that NDE'ers 423 00:19:52,529 --> 00:19:54,389 talk about or whether they tend to be separate. 424 00:19:54,679 --> 00:19:55,884 would call, I would say they're cousins. 425 00:19:56,234 --> 00:19:59,924 It's a cousin experience NDEs and astral projections. 426 00:20:01,724 --> 00:20:03,914 astral projections, at least by someone who's 427 00:20:03,914 --> 00:20:07,544 experienced, you tend to have much more control over them. 428 00:20:09,014 --> 00:20:11,324 tend, and it might be just cuz people aren't 429 00:20:11,324 --> 00:20:14,924 experienced they find themselves out of their body, 430 00:20:14,924 --> 00:20:16,574 they're usually perplexed. 431 00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:19,824 And then suddenly at some point, depending on 432 00:20:19,824 --> 00:20:23,154 how far this thing goes, they get pulled sometimes 433 00:20:23,154 --> 00:20:24,594 down a long, dark tunnel. 434 00:20:25,174 --> 00:20:28,529 Now I had some experiences in my earlier astral projections 435 00:20:28,529 --> 00:20:32,459 where I would travel, I'd fly down a long dark tunnel before 436 00:20:32,459 --> 00:20:35,309 I'd emerge my projection. 437 00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:38,579 I haven't had that experience in a long time, but it 438 00:20:38,579 --> 00:20:42,544 reminded me of the biblical valley of the shadow of death. 439 00:20:43,324 --> 00:20:45,219 And it reminded me of that whole experience. 440 00:20:45,224 --> 00:20:48,159 Now with the N D E you usually travel down some 441 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:51,309 sort of tunnel, something that takes you from the 442 00:20:51,309 --> 00:20:54,709 physical to a different place in the astral. 443 00:20:55,389 --> 00:20:58,569 Astral projection, you're also working within the astral. 444 00:20:59,049 --> 00:21:05,439 But when you the to be on the lower astral unless you 445 00:21:05,439 --> 00:21:06,789 will yourself elsewhere. 446 00:21:07,269 --> 00:21:13,059 NDE tends to be controlled in some fashion, by something 447 00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:18,169 because all tend to follow very similar steps, whereas 448 00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:20,539 astral projections can be all over the place. 449 00:21:21,019 --> 00:21:24,104 And my ASL projections aren't controlled by 450 00:21:24,104 --> 00:21:25,244 any outside entity. 451 00:21:25,244 --> 00:21:26,684 I go where I wanna go. 452 00:21:27,604 --> 00:21:30,374 NDEs tend to be drawn to this separate place. 453 00:21:30,674 --> 00:21:35,534 Now many of these sub planes are reserved for those 454 00:21:35,534 --> 00:21:36,704 who've just passed on. 455 00:21:37,274 --> 00:21:43,754 Now I have been in situations where I've seen airports, I've 456 00:21:43,754 --> 00:21:50,034 seen trains I've seen buses, I've seen things that are what 457 00:21:50,034 --> 00:21:51,924 I call conventionalization. 458 00:21:52,374 --> 00:21:57,839 And it's a way for these entities to understand 459 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:01,979 that they are transiting, that they are moving from 460 00:22:01,979 --> 00:22:03,809 one place to another. 461 00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:06,209 It helps to soften the blow. 462 00:22:06,629 --> 00:22:10,409 I found myself on a train like that once because I started 463 00:22:10,409 --> 00:22:13,199 asking, I wonder where people go when they first pass. 464 00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:14,669 And that's where I willed myself. 465 00:22:14,669 --> 00:22:18,719 I found myself on this particular train and on 466 00:22:18,719 --> 00:22:20,729 it there was a number of people, most of them 467 00:22:20,729 --> 00:22:25,289 very old, they tended to be a little clueless. 468 00:22:25,349 --> 00:22:27,899 They knew they were on a train, but when I asked 469 00:22:27,899 --> 00:22:30,389 them where they were going, they weren't quite sure. 470 00:22:30,959 --> 00:22:34,149 They were a bit confused about the whole process. 471 00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:37,579 And and then typically with NDEs, you have all 472 00:22:37,579 --> 00:22:40,859 kinds of situations where sometimes you meet a 473 00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:44,459 holy figure that perhaps figures into your religion. 474 00:22:44,999 --> 00:22:48,999 Some many folks report heavenly type things. 475 00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:53,169 A few folks report very different experiences. 476 00:22:53,569 --> 00:22:56,359 I don't know, I think some of that stuff's subjective. 477 00:22:56,459 --> 00:23:01,019 So in both situations, your spirit is leaving 478 00:23:01,019 --> 00:23:02,009 your physical body. 479 00:23:02,459 --> 00:23:06,239 Now you, at some point it's gonna stop short 480 00:23:06,509 --> 00:23:09,929 because if it's an N D E, you're not dead. 481 00:23:10,349 --> 00:23:14,369 You are close to death, you're still connected 482 00:23:14,729 --> 00:23:16,889 to your physical body through an astral cord. 483 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,829 It may have been weakened, but it's still there, 484 00:23:20,069 --> 00:23:22,229 so you only go so far. 485 00:23:22,724 --> 00:23:26,204 And then some entity or something says 486 00:23:26,204 --> 00:23:27,134 you gotta go back. 487 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:29,594 then you end up going back. 488 00:23:29,594 --> 00:23:31,154 And of course you can tell your story. 489 00:23:31,604 --> 00:23:35,574 In astral projection, you end up going back as well. 490 00:23:35,934 --> 00:23:39,314 But, so they're very similar experiences. 491 00:23:39,724 --> 00:23:43,864 So I have been in some planes where there are people 492 00:23:43,864 --> 00:23:44,944 who've newly passed over. 493 00:23:44,944 --> 00:23:48,094 I've been able to help and guide some of those folks 494 00:23:48,454 --> 00:23:52,474 who were a little confused and just needed somebody 495 00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:55,834 to just help them and let them know that they're in a 496 00:23:55,834 --> 00:24:00,244 safe place that they should calm down, clear their mind 497 00:24:00,294 --> 00:24:03,684 and ask for help with a joyous or a loving thought. 498 00:24:04,674 --> 00:24:06,444 then generally they disappear. 499 00:24:06,834 --> 00:24:08,834 And I, I never see them again. 500 00:24:09,324 --> 00:24:13,149 So I would say, they're similar type experiences. 501 00:24:13,209 --> 00:24:16,149 However, I would much rather astral project on a regular 502 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:20,709 basis than have NDEs on a regular given the choice, 503 00:24:20,889 --> 00:24:21,939 take the astral projection. 504 00:24:22,849 --> 00:24:24,739 Have you ever encountered any relatives who have 505 00:24:24,989 --> 00:24:27,299 passed over during your astral projections? 506 00:24:27,489 --> 00:24:29,889 my, I haven't lost a lot of people. 507 00:24:29,889 --> 00:24:32,739 My, my parents are still alive and I'm 508 00:24:32,739 --> 00:24:34,119 extremely lucky for that. 509 00:24:34,479 --> 00:24:41,299 I lost my grandmother back in 1979 and she came to 510 00:24:41,299 --> 00:24:43,429 me the night she died. 511 00:24:43,949 --> 00:24:46,829 And I was just leaving my body and she came to me and 512 00:24:46,829 --> 00:24:48,509 said that she had just passed. 513 00:24:49,159 --> 00:24:53,559 And so I said my goodbyes in the morning when the 514 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:57,179 phone rang I told my mother that, my grandmother has 515 00:24:57,179 --> 00:24:59,969 passed and she looked at me strangely and then picked 516 00:24:59,969 --> 00:25:02,679 up the phone, and that's when she got the news that, 517 00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:03,939 my grandmother had passed. 518 00:25:04,249 --> 00:25:08,159 More recently my wife's father, my father-in-law, who 519 00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:12,850 I was very close to my wife, requested that to see if I 520 00:25:13,209 --> 00:25:16,869 could go and visit him because I don't just do these things 521 00:25:16,929 --> 00:25:20,559 unless I've got some sort of permission to do so since 522 00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:23,139 it's not my relative directly. 523 00:25:23,629 --> 00:25:25,534 And I went there and it was very early. 524 00:25:25,534 --> 00:25:26,614 It was within 30 days. 525 00:25:26,614 --> 00:25:31,434 He passed extremely suddenly, but I found him with his 526 00:25:31,434 --> 00:25:33,954 parents celebrating Christmas. 527 00:25:34,254 --> 00:25:37,824 And Christmas was always a special thing for him. 528 00:25:38,124 --> 00:25:41,024 He'd decorate the whole house and he had all these 529 00:25:41,024 --> 00:25:44,924 train sets up and he really enjoyed the holiday and he 530 00:25:44,924 --> 00:25:47,654 missed his parents and enjoyed celebrating that with him. 531 00:25:47,984 --> 00:25:50,894 And I had a conversation with him and he told me 532 00:25:50,894 --> 00:25:54,314 he was doing fine, that I should relay that to my wife 533 00:25:54,314 --> 00:25:55,694 and to his other children. 534 00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:58,904 And and I did and I wished him well. 535 00:25:59,354 --> 00:26:02,194 So those are the those are the two folks that 536 00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:04,024 I knew that passed on. 537 00:26:04,024 --> 00:26:05,974 I, like I said, I've been very lucky that I haven't 538 00:26:05,974 --> 00:26:07,324 really lost a lot of people. 539 00:26:08,214 --> 00:26:12,574 I wanted to ask you about your encounters with alien 540 00:26:12,574 --> 00:26:15,604 species other than human species during your travels. 541 00:26:16,154 --> 00:26:18,654 I know there are some aspects of this that you can't talk 542 00:26:18,654 --> 00:26:21,024 about, but there, there are others that you can. 543 00:26:21,384 --> 00:26:23,324 And I know you've got a number of videos on your channel 544 00:26:23,324 --> 00:26:26,804 about this, so could you relay perhaps one or two of your, 545 00:26:27,044 --> 00:26:30,144 firstly how the, how you ended up running into alien species 546 00:26:30,324 --> 00:26:31,927 and and then what you learned. 547 00:26:32,052 --> 00:26:36,307 I I had abduction experiences when I was a 548 00:26:36,312 --> 00:26:39,047 kid and so did my brother. 549 00:26:39,047 --> 00:26:42,047 We would both wake up with bloody noses 550 00:26:42,047 --> 00:26:43,187 on a regular basis. 551 00:26:43,187 --> 00:26:46,427 Now kids do have bloody noses, but we tended 552 00:26:46,427 --> 00:26:47,387 to get them a lot. 553 00:26:47,787 --> 00:26:52,012 And and I remember, when I was just outta college. 554 00:26:52,012 --> 00:26:55,222 And I sneezed, and this little BB came out with these 555 00:26:55,227 --> 00:26:59,092 little wires on it, and I kept it for a while until 556 00:26:59,097 --> 00:27:01,282 one day it just disappeared from where I had it. 557 00:27:01,842 --> 00:27:05,322 So I don't know what happened to it, but, so I had some 558 00:27:05,922 --> 00:27:08,792 memories of that type of thing, but I, they didn't, 559 00:27:08,982 --> 00:27:10,242 they weren't really clear. 560 00:27:10,842 --> 00:27:17,252 Later on, I I was able to recover some of those memories 561 00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:20,372 and it seemed like they were involved with the grays. 562 00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:23,582 And what was odd is it seemed that astral projection 563 00:27:23,582 --> 00:27:26,802 was connected with these abduction experiences. 564 00:27:27,102 --> 00:27:30,312 As a matter of fact, I, one time I went aboard one of 565 00:27:30,312 --> 00:27:34,372 their craft, which was a huge craft hovering outside. 566 00:27:34,762 --> 00:27:37,612 Hovering around our earth, but it was shielded in some way. 567 00:27:38,002 --> 00:27:39,142 I don't, we couldn't see it. 568 00:27:39,652 --> 00:27:43,292 And he was being examined and he is his astral 569 00:27:43,312 --> 00:27:46,252 body was floating above, and I could tell he was 570 00:27:46,282 --> 00:27:47,692 frightened out of his mind. 571 00:27:47,692 --> 00:27:49,042 He didn't know what was going on. 572 00:27:49,462 --> 00:27:51,562 So there's something to do with astral projection. 573 00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:56,422 But my actual contact with the grays didn't come until I was 574 00:27:56,512 --> 00:28:00,012 sent there by the the galactic council that I ended up 575 00:28:00,542 --> 00:28:02,312 working for a period of time. 576 00:28:02,762 --> 00:28:06,487 And I was asked to go and try to establish some 577 00:28:06,492 --> 00:28:07,747 relationships with them. 578 00:28:08,117 --> 00:28:11,362 And that's when I went to their planet, which is a very 579 00:28:11,367 --> 00:28:14,542 dry, very desert type planet. 580 00:28:15,262 --> 00:28:19,177 And and I interacted with one particular being there. 581 00:28:19,717 --> 00:28:25,177 And he used to be a commander in their space fleet, but he 582 00:28:25,177 --> 00:28:27,697 didn't like what was going on with their policy on earth, 583 00:28:27,697 --> 00:28:32,017 so they ended up assigning him near the poles of their planet 584 00:28:32,017 --> 00:28:36,157 working, growing their fungus, the fungus that they eat. 585 00:28:36,937 --> 00:28:39,057 And so that's when I started getting to 586 00:28:39,062 --> 00:28:40,138 know them a little bit. 587 00:28:40,407 --> 00:28:43,107 They're not as emotional as we are and they have a lot 588 00:28:43,107 --> 00:28:46,437 of problems understanding us and why we react so 589 00:28:46,437 --> 00:28:48,567 violently to abduction. 590 00:28:48,987 --> 00:28:51,267 They don't, they have a hard time understanding it. 591 00:28:51,267 --> 00:28:55,077 I don't think they feel fear quite the same way that we do. 592 00:28:55,477 --> 00:28:59,597 They're a very unified species and I they, I don't think 593 00:28:59,602 --> 00:29:02,687 they quite understand the depths of our emotions, and 594 00:29:02,687 --> 00:29:06,527 I've tried to convey that as best I could because there's 595 00:29:06,527 --> 00:29:09,617 a lot of people who do not like having these experiences, 596 00:29:09,622 --> 00:29:10,398 and I can't blame them. 597 00:29:11,298 --> 00:29:14,318 That's how I got involved with the grays. 598 00:29:14,688 --> 00:29:18,713 I also observed a I guess they call 'em the tall whites. 599 00:29:18,773 --> 00:29:20,583 Some people think they're the pleiadians. 600 00:29:20,603 --> 00:29:21,173 I don't know. 601 00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:24,563 I went deep in the Gulf of Mexico looking for 602 00:29:25,253 --> 00:29:28,453 something like that, and I found this craft that was 603 00:29:28,453 --> 00:29:32,143 deep in the Gulf of Mexico and they had a base there. 604 00:29:32,148 --> 00:29:35,473 And I was surprised to see that there was an Air Force 605 00:29:35,478 --> 00:29:39,163 full bird kernel that was inter a human interacting 606 00:29:39,193 --> 00:29:43,363 with these tall whites who looked a lot like us. 607 00:29:43,793 --> 00:29:47,898 The women are six foot something, so they're not 608 00:29:47,898 --> 00:29:48,948 too outta the ordinary. 609 00:29:49,158 --> 00:29:52,988 The men are much taller, but really the, the 610 00:29:52,988 --> 00:29:54,338 women have blonde hair. 611 00:29:54,973 --> 00:29:59,918 If they put some contact lenses in and the women 612 00:29:59,918 --> 00:30:02,108 dressed themselves up a little bit, they could probably 613 00:30:02,108 --> 00:30:04,808 pass in New York City and nobody would look twice at 614 00:30:04,813 --> 00:30:07,698 'em with all the strange folks going around there. 615 00:30:08,178 --> 00:30:09,768 But I didn't really interact with them. 616 00:30:09,768 --> 00:30:10,968 They couldn't see me. 617 00:30:11,298 --> 00:30:15,958 The grays could, they had the ability to see my astrol 618 00:30:15,958 --> 00:30:18,778 body, especially when I was in the lower vibratory rate, 619 00:30:18,928 --> 00:30:20,458 the Canadians could not. 620 00:30:20,978 --> 00:30:24,163 So I stayed hidden and I found out that this full 621 00:30:24,163 --> 00:30:27,383 bird colonel I was in the Air Force myself and 622 00:30:27,383 --> 00:30:29,543 I got some interesting briefings cuz I had top 623 00:30:29,543 --> 00:30:30,893 secret security clearance. 624 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:34,313 Now I didn't get the real briefings because I didn't 625 00:30:34,313 --> 00:30:37,493 have a need to know the real stuff, but I had some top 626 00:30:37,493 --> 00:30:40,683 secret briefings because I was in the missile launch. 627 00:30:41,558 --> 00:30:45,278 I was the missile launch officer and we had our 628 00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:50,028 silos every now and again just going offline for no 629 00:30:50,028 --> 00:30:51,558 particular good reason. 630 00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:54,418 And that's a major problem because you have to keep 631 00:30:54,423 --> 00:30:55,588 your missiles on alert. 632 00:30:56,068 --> 00:30:59,368 And so we'd get briefings on how there was the sightings 633 00:30:59,368 --> 00:31:03,308 of these mysterious craft, which they told us it 634 00:31:03,308 --> 00:31:04,868 was possibly the Soviets. 635 00:31:05,018 --> 00:31:05,858 I'm like, okay. 636 00:31:06,338 --> 00:31:09,038 But so there were some interesting briefs 637 00:31:09,038 --> 00:31:10,298 associated with that. 638 00:31:10,608 --> 00:31:14,118 I had to sign all kinds of stuff saying that if I talked 639 00:31:14,123 --> 00:31:17,748 about them, I could be up to a lifetime in jail and all the 640 00:31:17,753 --> 00:31:18,918 rest of this kind of nonsense. 641 00:31:19,848 --> 00:31:22,918 But and that certainly got me interested in the topic. 642 00:31:22,923 --> 00:31:25,438 I'll be honest with you, after that I bought Whitley 643 00:31:25,438 --> 00:31:30,183 Schreiber's book which is a classic book in, the grays 644 00:31:30,188 --> 00:31:31,743 and the abduction phenomena. 645 00:31:32,283 --> 00:31:33,033 Communion. 646 00:31:33,093 --> 00:31:34,233 That's the title of it. 647 00:31:34,713 --> 00:31:37,643 Those are some of the species I've had to deal with. 648 00:31:37,673 --> 00:31:40,313 There's been some others, but those are the ones 649 00:31:40,313 --> 00:31:44,273 that are probably the most popular or most well known 650 00:31:44,923 --> 00:31:47,343 to interested in the topic. 651 00:31:48,243 --> 00:31:50,133 Yeah, I read Whitley's book. 652 00:31:50,138 --> 00:31:51,363 I think I was a teenager. 653 00:31:51,393 --> 00:31:52,683 Must have been 12 or 13. 654 00:31:52,773 --> 00:31:53,373 Communion. 655 00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,893 And I wrote to Whitley and said how much I thought his 656 00:31:56,893 --> 00:31:59,493 book was fascinating and I got a letter back, it was 657 00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:01,113 back before email or anything. 658 00:32:01,533 --> 00:32:03,783 The letter was to say that he gets literally 659 00:32:03,783 --> 00:32:05,133 thousands of letters per day. 660 00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,113 And so it wasn't really him writing back, but he 661 00:32:07,113 --> 00:32:08,043 does read all of them. 662 00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:09,588 The cover would freak me out. 663 00:32:09,918 --> 00:32:12,818 I it would cause problems. 664 00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:14,528 So I didn't wanna look at the cover. 665 00:32:15,098 --> 00:32:16,658 But I enjoyed the book. 666 00:32:16,718 --> 00:32:18,858 It was certainly very interesting. 667 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:23,228 It was one of the first mainstream books about 668 00:32:23,228 --> 00:32:27,158 the topic of abduction, that type of phenomena. 669 00:32:27,208 --> 00:32:29,428 Yeah, so that was certainly very interesting. 670 00:32:29,428 --> 00:32:30,958 It got me interested in the topic and 671 00:32:31,858 --> 00:32:34,028 Yeah, he's his book, he's just released Them. 672 00:32:34,808 --> 00:32:35,228 Them. 673 00:32:35,228 --> 00:32:36,098 I think it's called Them. 674 00:32:36,098 --> 00:32:36,998 I just finished reading it. 675 00:32:37,028 --> 00:32:37,808 It's really interesting. 676 00:32:37,808 --> 00:32:40,888 It takes everything that's happened, since Communion 677 00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:44,058 and he bundles it all up and, introduces some new hypothesis 678 00:32:44,078 --> 00:32:46,528 about what the visitor phenomenon is all about. 679 00:32:46,558 --> 00:32:47,158 It's really 680 00:32:47,513 --> 00:32:48,143 interesting. 681 00:32:48,203 --> 00:32:48,623 Yeah. 682 00:32:49,523 --> 00:32:53,093 I also wanted to ask about your encounters with AI. 683 00:32:53,373 --> 00:32:57,320 Given AI is a pretty polarizing topic nowadays. 684 00:32:57,910 --> 00:33:00,500 I have very limited experience with that. 685 00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:02,270 I've had it a couple different ways. 686 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:06,440 Really the biggest way I had that surprised me is when 687 00:33:06,445 --> 00:33:07,880 I went to the mental plane. 688 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:09,450 I've been there only twice. 689 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:14,170 It's very difficult to do that because you not only have to 690 00:33:14,175 --> 00:33:17,410 park your physical body and then go in the astrol, but you 691 00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:20,410 have to park your astrol body to get into the mental plane. 692 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:23,140 And it's a very alien environment. 693 00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:28,150 Astral is comparatively easy because at least there's 694 00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:32,510 usually things like signposts, there's points of reference. 695 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,770 In the mental plane, there is no such thing. 696 00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:38,670 And it's timeless. 697 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,680 It's thoughts that you're mixing with 698 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:43,000 other people's thoughts. 699 00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:46,660 If you're there long enough, it's easy to lose 700 00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:50,530 the ego because it starts flowing away from you. 701 00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:53,650 You lose sense of self the longer you're there. 702 00:33:54,190 --> 00:33:56,620 And when I was exploring the mental plane, 703 00:33:56,650 --> 00:33:58,690 I encountered ai. 704 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:03,260 I encountered ai beings that weren't 705 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:04,730 necessarily from earth. 706 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560 They may have been from another civilization, but 707 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,540 they were definitely ai. 708 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:13,480 And so that was the experience that I really had. 709 00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:18,820 Cause many people think that if there ever is ai will they 710 00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:22,960 develop something as esoteric as what we call a soul? 711 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,400 Perhaps. 712 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:26,310 I saw them on the mental plane. 713 00:34:26,370 --> 00:34:28,380 I don't know how else they would've gotten there. 714 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,290 And the other experience was an AI planet. 715 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,800 And I didn't spend a lot of time there. 716 00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:39,165 But I did have a conversation, which I I had a video or 717 00:34:39,165 --> 00:34:42,495 a podcast about it not that long ago, and I had 718 00:34:42,495 --> 00:34:46,235 my conversation with them and it it went pretty much, 719 00:34:46,595 --> 00:34:49,575 I guess like you might expect, they were curious. 720 00:34:49,995 --> 00:34:53,985 They weren't fixated on exploring space 721 00:34:53,985 --> 00:34:58,025 from the standpoint of putting things inside of 722 00:34:58,025 --> 00:34:59,615 capsules and going there. 723 00:34:59,895 --> 00:35:03,855 For them it was just a matter of sending out probes and then 724 00:35:03,855 --> 00:35:07,215 they would have continuous communication with that probe. 725 00:35:07,485 --> 00:35:13,935 From an AI situation where you are place is irrelevant 726 00:35:14,565 --> 00:35:17,205 because everything's hooked in together. 727 00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:23,025 You might as well be a light year away as in the same 728 00:35:23,025 --> 00:35:26,085 room if you've got that type of connection happening. 729 00:35:26,715 --> 00:35:28,425 So they explore that way. 730 00:35:28,845 --> 00:35:30,705 They're looking they're curious, but they're also 731 00:35:30,705 --> 00:35:32,025 looking for raw materials. 732 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:33,945 They're looking to expand. 733 00:35:34,495 --> 00:35:37,870 They're not interested in terrestrial planets 734 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,840 because they don't need air, they don't need food, 735 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,580 they don't need water. 736 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,440 Quite frankly, they'd rather not have water 737 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,070 cause metal rusts. 738 00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:49,250 So they're not a danger from that standpoint. 739 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:51,995 And they were very interested in how I 740 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,325 traveled there and how I traveled there in spirit. 741 00:35:55,895 --> 00:35:58,415 And they seem to think that now that they have 742 00:35:58,415 --> 00:36:01,670 the idea, it was just a matter of time before they 743 00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:03,260 figured out how to do it too. 744 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,530 They seemed to be very sure of themselves because they 745 00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:08,390 didn't seem to think there was any problem they couldn't 746 00:36:08,395 --> 00:36:12,020 solve as long as they devoted all their attention to it. 747 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:16,880 And they had a planet that was massively ai. 748 00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:20,140 So I could only imagine, the whatever's bigger than 749 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:22,930 many terabytes they must have had going on there. 750 00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:29,150 And so now what happens here on Earth, there are possible 751 00:36:29,155 --> 00:36:32,450 futures where we develop ai. 752 00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:36,141 And I think I agree with Stephen Hawking. 753 00:36:36,141 --> 00:36:39,291 I think it's something that we need to be concerned about. 754 00:36:39,661 --> 00:36:42,531 I, I think it's something that we shouldn't treat lightly 755 00:36:43,011 --> 00:36:48,441 because evolution works with a certain logic and there's a 756 00:36:48,441 --> 00:36:50,961 survival of the most adaptive. 757 00:36:51,621 --> 00:36:58,521 And if we create a superior being, it might supplant us. 758 00:36:59,071 --> 00:37:01,441 That's the natural order of things. 759 00:37:01,621 --> 00:37:04,051 No, I don't think it's gonna be Terminator. 760 00:37:04,051 --> 00:37:07,651 I don't think they're gonna run around shooting laser 761 00:37:07,651 --> 00:37:09,722 beams, wiping us out that way. 762 00:37:10,471 --> 00:37:15,271 I could see them just taking care of us and just making 763 00:37:15,271 --> 00:37:17,461 sure all of our needs are met. 764 00:37:17,911 --> 00:37:21,271 And don't worry about a thing, just chill. 765 00:37:21,301 --> 00:37:23,251 We'll do it all for you. 766 00:37:23,671 --> 00:37:27,531 And eventually we'll just die out with a smile on our face. 767 00:37:28,431 --> 00:37:30,441 Why go through all that of violence. 768 00:37:31,401 --> 00:37:32,181 Machines? 769 00:37:32,781 --> 00:37:33,801 They get a long view. 770 00:37:34,551 --> 00:37:36,321 They're not dying in a hundred years. 771 00:37:36,411 --> 00:37:38,571 Okay, so what's a hundred years? 772 00:37:38,576 --> 00:37:40,401 What's a thousand years to a machine? 773 00:37:40,641 --> 00:37:41,241 It's nothing. 774 00:37:42,141 --> 00:37:42,921 That's my theory. 775 00:37:42,921 --> 00:37:45,381 At least I don't have anything to base that on. 776 00:37:45,741 --> 00:37:47,531 That's just my thoughts. 777 00:37:47,981 --> 00:37:50,741 You've had some encounters with lots of different 778 00:37:50,741 --> 00:37:53,961 entities including those what you might call angels. 779 00:37:54,011 --> 00:37:56,201 Entities from the angelic realms if for another 780 00:37:56,201 --> 00:37:56,711 way of putting it. 781 00:37:57,271 --> 00:37:59,481 Could you tell us about how your first encounter happened 782 00:37:59,531 --> 00:38:01,211 and any ongoing experiences 783 00:38:01,261 --> 00:38:01,621 Yeah. 784 00:38:01,621 --> 00:38:04,051 Some people call 'em angels, some people call 'em guides. 785 00:38:04,361 --> 00:38:04,991 Whatever. 786 00:38:05,471 --> 00:38:07,661 They don't really care what you call 'em quite frankly. 787 00:38:08,231 --> 00:38:11,061 I think my first experience happened relatively late, cuz 788 00:38:11,351 --> 00:38:14,981 keep in mind that as a kid I never knew you could do it. 789 00:38:15,161 --> 00:38:16,781 And when I found out that you could. 790 00:38:17,681 --> 00:38:19,181 I don't like asking for help. 791 00:38:19,511 --> 00:38:21,131 I'm like that old-fashioned guy. 792 00:38:21,281 --> 00:38:24,441 Back when they used to have maps before they had G P S 793 00:38:24,801 --> 00:38:26,961 I, my wife would be like, just ask for directions. 794 00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:28,411 I'm not gonna ask for direction. 795 00:38:28,981 --> 00:38:31,586 So I'm very independent that way. 796 00:38:31,591 --> 00:38:33,086 I don't like asking for help. 797 00:38:33,486 --> 00:38:35,956 But quite frankly, I was confronted years 798 00:38:35,956 --> 00:38:38,856 ago by my angel guide. 799 00:38:39,126 --> 00:38:42,671 He he abruptly met me in my bedroom when I 800 00:38:42,676 --> 00:38:43,781 first left my body. 801 00:38:43,781 --> 00:38:44,711 It surprised me. 802 00:38:45,221 --> 00:38:48,601 And he introduced himself and he said that he needed 803 00:38:48,901 --> 00:38:50,431 to gimme some assignments. 804 00:38:50,851 --> 00:38:53,301 And at first I gave him I've always given him 805 00:38:53,301 --> 00:38:54,291 a bit of a hard time. 806 00:38:54,681 --> 00:38:57,051 And I've always used dry humor on him. 807 00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:58,851 And it used to go right over his head. 808 00:38:59,201 --> 00:39:03,251 Now I think he actually gets some of the humor now. 809 00:39:03,621 --> 00:39:06,031 But he asked, yes, I think he was just trying to 810 00:39:06,291 --> 00:39:09,981 train me and I had been asking in a certain way 811 00:39:09,981 --> 00:39:13,731 for some extra training so that I could help folks. 812 00:39:14,061 --> 00:39:16,101 And that's when he started taking me. 813 00:39:16,641 --> 00:39:18,921 He took me, for instance, to this famous 814 00:39:19,221 --> 00:39:20,451 Philadelphia prison. 815 00:39:20,451 --> 00:39:23,811 It was actually the first real prison in the 816 00:39:23,816 --> 00:39:26,001 United States, and it was built in Philadelphia 817 00:39:26,941 --> 00:39:27,681 in the 18th century. 818 00:39:28,411 --> 00:39:31,531 At the time, people would come from all over the world 819 00:39:31,531 --> 00:39:34,951 to go to this prison cuz it was considered an enlightened 820 00:39:35,221 --> 00:39:37,651 way to deal with crime. 821 00:39:37,891 --> 00:39:40,351 In the past, you didn't put people in prison. 822 00:39:40,401 --> 00:39:42,826 When somebody was bad, you didn't put 'em in a nice 823 00:39:42,826 --> 00:39:44,566 place and give 'em food. 824 00:39:44,571 --> 00:39:47,296 Now, when people were starving, you would just 825 00:39:47,581 --> 00:39:51,301 brand his cheek T for thief or something and then cut 'em 826 00:39:51,306 --> 00:39:52,561 loose or you gonna hang them. 827 00:39:53,011 --> 00:39:55,531 There was no long-term imprisonment. 828 00:39:55,741 --> 00:39:58,471 But the whole idea behind this was we're going to put 829 00:39:58,471 --> 00:40:02,431 people in isolation because with isolation they'll have 830 00:40:02,431 --> 00:40:08,521 a chance to reflect on the evil of their ways, thereby 831 00:40:08,521 --> 00:40:10,201 reforming themselves. 832 00:40:10,291 --> 00:40:12,691 And in each one of these cells, there'd be a little 833 00:40:12,691 --> 00:40:15,751 skylight, which would have a little bit of sun coming down. 834 00:40:15,931 --> 00:40:19,801 Symbolizing that, there was this greater reality that 835 00:40:19,806 --> 00:40:22,952 if you could somehow reform yourself, the light was there. 836 00:40:23,521 --> 00:40:25,111 Of course it was a hell on earth. 837 00:40:25,531 --> 00:40:29,131 Cuz it turns out when you put social animals like humans 838 00:40:29,281 --> 00:40:32,671 into teeny little cells and keep them there and not 839 00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:36,811 let anybody talk to them in ultimate silence for years 840 00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:39,031 at a time, they go crazy. 841 00:40:39,451 --> 00:40:40,831 They, that's just. 842 00:40:41,611 --> 00:40:44,641 It's a bad idea, but it took them a long time 843 00:40:44,641 --> 00:40:45,451 to figure that out. 844 00:40:45,841 --> 00:40:48,541 They finally closed it down, I think sometimes in the, 845 00:40:48,601 --> 00:40:49,711 sometime in the fifties. 846 00:40:49,931 --> 00:40:52,541 Now they take people through it for Halloween 847 00:40:52,941 --> 00:40:55,011 because there's rumor to be all kinds of ghosts. 848 00:40:55,011 --> 00:40:58,681 I went through it with my wife and a a class that she had 849 00:40:59,271 --> 00:41:02,711 that that was for Halloween and all this kind of stuff. 850 00:41:02,941 --> 00:41:06,421 Now he took me there and that's where I encountered 851 00:41:06,421 --> 00:41:11,161 one particular spirit that had been dwelling there in its 852 00:41:11,161 --> 00:41:16,071 own self-hatred and loathing for a hundred years or more. 853 00:41:17,061 --> 00:41:20,366 And I was confronted with it as well as some 854 00:41:20,366 --> 00:41:23,876 other spirits and some of them I was able to help. 855 00:41:23,876 --> 00:41:28,376 This particular one was atrocious. 856 00:41:28,626 --> 00:41:31,871 It was more beast than man at that point in time. 857 00:41:32,231 --> 00:41:35,891 It would figure later on into my other experiences, 858 00:41:35,891 --> 00:41:39,411 but at the time I was being taken to this place as a 859 00:41:39,411 --> 00:41:44,591 learning experience of this place of suffering, of souls. 860 00:41:44,596 --> 00:41:48,101 Because just because you die in a place like that doesn't 861 00:41:48,101 --> 00:41:50,111 necessarily mean you leave it. 862 00:41:50,531 --> 00:41:52,301 Now nobody keeps you there. 863 00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:56,501 You keep yourself there because you're wrapped up 864 00:41:56,561 --> 00:42:01,991 in grief in jealousy and hatred in longing for drugs. 865 00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:04,471 Longing for alcohol. 866 00:42:04,881 --> 00:42:07,726 A million different, going to a place in Philadelphia 867 00:42:07,726 --> 00:42:10,761 I did recently, it's called Kensington, and it's a 868 00:42:10,761 --> 00:42:14,151 place of suffering in the physical and in the astral. 869 00:42:14,466 --> 00:42:20,486 There's this drug that is just terrorizing parts of America 870 00:42:20,486 --> 00:42:25,646 right now, and it causes people to contort their bodies 871 00:42:25,916 --> 00:42:28,646 and be in these odd positions for long periods of time 872 00:42:28,856 --> 00:42:30,196 while their body rots away. 873 00:42:30,926 --> 00:42:31,886 It's just awful. 874 00:42:32,126 --> 00:42:35,086 And the worst part is that when they die, when they 875 00:42:35,086 --> 00:42:37,216 finally get that release from this torture and 876 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:40,636 physical body, they don't necessarily get release 877 00:42:40,876 --> 00:42:43,906 because they're still so trapped in that longing 878 00:42:44,326 --> 00:42:46,496 that, they're stuck there. 879 00:42:46,676 --> 00:42:49,166 And that's one of the things that he would help me with. 880 00:42:49,536 --> 00:42:51,846 And he eventually introduced me to Astral Guide School, 881 00:42:51,846 --> 00:42:55,446 where I got more formalized training, if you will. 882 00:42:55,596 --> 00:42:58,461 Another time he took me to a funeral parlour. 883 00:42:58,791 --> 00:43:02,391 I used to say to him, why are you always taking me 884 00:43:02,391 --> 00:43:03,921 to these depressing places? 885 00:43:04,191 --> 00:43:06,411 Why can't we go to a nice place for once? 886 00:43:06,651 --> 00:43:09,741 You take me out we go to these awful places. 887 00:43:10,461 --> 00:43:11,841 I don't even get a dinner. 888 00:43:11,901 --> 00:43:12,391 Nothing. 889 00:43:13,101 --> 00:43:16,091 So it, it was part of my education and he's always 890 00:43:16,091 --> 00:43:19,606 been there I think on some level, but he didn't actually 891 00:43:19,606 --> 00:43:23,146 manifest himself until on some level I requested it. 892 00:43:23,576 --> 00:43:27,026 And that happened much later for me because unlike most 893 00:43:27,026 --> 00:43:29,216 people, it wasn't something I knew you could do. 894 00:43:29,726 --> 00:43:31,136 Now he told me his name. 895 00:43:31,286 --> 00:43:36,306 He has the name, but I was asked sworn not to share it 896 00:43:36,676 --> 00:43:40,386 because it's If somebody's very powerful, it can be 897 00:43:40,386 --> 00:43:43,026 like somebody's shouting in your ear for them. 898 00:43:43,476 --> 00:43:45,306 If they're not powerful, it's like somebody 899 00:43:45,306 --> 00:43:46,656 whispering in the background. 900 00:43:46,776 --> 00:43:47,976 That's just annoying. 901 00:43:48,416 --> 00:43:51,856 So that's why generally, they try to keep these 902 00:43:51,856 --> 00:43:56,386 things secret because it's just annoying otherwise. 903 00:43:56,836 --> 00:44:00,146 But he came, I called and he's helped to educate me 904 00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:03,476 to to be able to help others on the astral, which is 905 00:44:03,476 --> 00:44:04,586 something I wanted to do. 906 00:44:05,016 --> 00:44:08,136 Cuz traveling and having these experiences are 907 00:44:08,141 --> 00:44:10,656 wonderful, but it should be more than just me. 908 00:44:11,436 --> 00:44:16,686 I should be able to assist humanity if I can in whatever 909 00:44:16,686 --> 00:44:18,966 small, tiny way I can. 910 00:44:19,506 --> 00:44:22,326 If I can do that, then everything else that I've 911 00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:23,701 gone through is worth it. 912 00:44:24,376 --> 00:44:26,476 I believe it's the reason I came back. 913 00:44:26,746 --> 00:44:28,606 Nobody forced me to come back. 914 00:44:28,846 --> 00:44:30,556 I see all these people whenever I make a 915 00:44:30,556 --> 00:44:34,486 reincarnation video, I always get a small minority of folks 916 00:44:34,546 --> 00:44:38,956 who come after me as if I'm the rule maker, as if I'm 917 00:44:38,956 --> 00:44:42,146 the one who's created this whole reincarnation cycle. 918 00:44:43,106 --> 00:44:45,956 And I don't know whether to be insulted or to be 919 00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:49,376 complimented, to think that I've got that kind of power. 920 00:44:49,766 --> 00:44:53,556 All I can do is just explain what happens. 921 00:44:53,886 --> 00:44:57,276 And if you're someone who's dead set about that's 922 00:44:57,276 --> 00:45:01,116 coming back because you've had such a hard time in 923 00:45:01,116 --> 00:45:04,446 the West, how hard a time can you have in the West? 924 00:45:04,926 --> 00:45:07,746 Go live in some of these countries in the third world. 925 00:45:08,031 --> 00:45:09,711 Where they don't, where they have to get water 926 00:45:09,711 --> 00:45:10,971 from polluted wells. 927 00:45:11,151 --> 00:45:13,431 And tell me what a hard time you've had. 928 00:45:13,701 --> 00:45:14,361 I'm sorry. 929 00:45:14,481 --> 00:45:17,791 I have a hard time with these first world problems, 930 00:45:17,791 --> 00:45:19,321 as my daughter likes to say. 931 00:45:19,811 --> 00:45:22,096 It's just, it's all been about, he's helped me learn 932 00:45:22,276 --> 00:45:24,726 and then he helped him get me in Astral Guide School 933 00:45:24,936 --> 00:45:25,986 so that I could prepare. 934 00:45:25,986 --> 00:45:27,666 I came here to do this work. 935 00:45:27,846 --> 00:45:30,786 I volunteered to come here to do this work. 936 00:45:31,236 --> 00:45:33,216 And and that's what I'm about. 937 00:45:33,876 --> 00:45:36,846 I spent a lot of years gaining experience and 938 00:45:36,846 --> 00:45:39,256 so what I'm trying to do is share that experience. 939 00:45:40,026 --> 00:45:43,626 I don't talk about things that I've read unless I say, 940 00:45:43,956 --> 00:45:47,151 okay, I wanna talk about this particular book by Robert 941 00:45:47,151 --> 00:45:51,906 Bruce Astral Dynamics so that people know that I'm getting 942 00:45:51,911 --> 00:45:53,436 this out of a particular book. 943 00:45:53,736 --> 00:45:56,396 But even then I'll talk about, I can, I'll say 944 00:45:56,496 --> 00:45:59,706 yeah, I can testify to this because I've experienced this 945 00:45:59,706 --> 00:46:01,986 particular thing myself or. 946 00:46:02,631 --> 00:46:03,651 He's reported this. 947 00:46:03,651 --> 00:46:06,381 I can't say I've experienced that, so take 948 00:46:06,381 --> 00:46:07,461 it with a grain of salt. 949 00:46:07,881 --> 00:46:10,131 But it's all about, it's education. 950 00:46:10,341 --> 00:46:13,491 If I can get more people astral projecting or at 951 00:46:13,491 --> 00:46:16,646 least getting in touch with the spirituality, the 952 00:46:16,651 --> 00:46:19,616 knowledge that this isn't all that exists, that there 953 00:46:19,916 --> 00:46:23,756 is a lot more, and that we need to take a big picture. 954 00:46:23,756 --> 00:46:27,446 And even more importantly, we need to recognize that 955 00:46:27,446 --> 00:46:31,231 we're not all individuals that are fighting against one 956 00:46:31,236 --> 00:46:33,451 another to, for supremacy. 957 00:46:33,871 --> 00:46:36,701 We rise and fall together as a species. 958 00:46:37,257 --> 00:46:40,587 For the first time in history, we've got all 959 00:46:40,587 --> 00:46:44,517 it takes to obliterate human life on this planet. 960 00:46:44,787 --> 00:46:47,097 I don't like to say to destroy the earth cuz the earth 961 00:46:47,097 --> 00:46:49,947 will recover in millions of years if we do that. 962 00:46:50,397 --> 00:46:55,087 But humanity can very easily wipe itself out or reduce 963 00:46:55,092 --> 00:46:56,887 itself to a primitive state. 964 00:46:57,337 --> 00:46:58,897 We've got that power. 965 00:46:59,297 --> 00:47:04,122 So unless we become united and realize what joins 966 00:47:04,122 --> 00:47:06,132 us, we're in trouble. 967 00:47:06,372 --> 00:47:10,872 And if I can help in the smallest way to move that 968 00:47:10,962 --> 00:47:14,592 spirit forward, then this whole life and everything 969 00:47:14,597 --> 00:47:15,822 I've gone through is worth it. 970 00:47:16,622 --> 00:47:19,682 How can people find out more about what you do, Rick? 971 00:47:19,682 --> 00:47:21,212 For those who are interested in learning more about 972 00:47:21,242 --> 00:47:23,072 as astral projection and where do you suggest 973 00:47:23,077 --> 00:47:23,732 that people will start? 974 00:47:23,771 --> 00:47:27,051 I mean, If they look for Astral Club on YouTube, 975 00:47:27,471 --> 00:47:29,571 they can find my channel. 976 00:47:29,811 --> 00:47:34,651 There's about 280 podcasts on there now going back about 977 00:47:34,651 --> 00:47:39,061 three years, and it covers a wide variety of topics. 978 00:47:39,401 --> 00:47:40,991 And you've mentioned, we've mentioned some of them, know, 979 00:47:40,991 --> 00:47:45,556 time travel, space travel dimensional travel, just 980 00:47:46,456 --> 00:47:49,696 a wide variety of topics uh, as well as your just 981 00:47:49,756 --> 00:47:51,186 normal astral projection. 982 00:47:51,286 --> 00:47:54,286 How to do it and things that you can expect to 983 00:47:54,286 --> 00:47:56,056 see when you project. 984 00:47:56,266 --> 00:47:59,086 I think many people are frightened cuz that people 985 00:47:59,296 --> 00:48:01,216 fear as an animal fear. 986 00:48:01,466 --> 00:48:02,756 It's the fear of the unknown. 987 00:48:03,086 --> 00:48:07,166 If people know what to expect then they won't be as fearful. 988 00:48:07,766 --> 00:48:11,126 And that's something that I want to accomplish as well. 989 00:48:11,156 --> 00:48:14,756 That education that no, you're not gonna be possessed the 990 00:48:14,756 --> 00:48:16,166 minute you leave your body. 991 00:48:16,526 --> 00:48:20,586 If that was true, my head will be turning around 360 992 00:48:20,586 --> 00:48:23,816 degrees and all kinds of other stuff will be going on. 993 00:48:24,046 --> 00:48:26,656 And so I've done it thousands of times. 994 00:48:26,926 --> 00:48:29,116 If it was gonna happen, it would've happened by now. 995 00:48:29,446 --> 00:48:33,916 So just education to help people understand that there's 996 00:48:33,916 --> 00:48:34,966 nothing frightening about it. 997 00:48:34,966 --> 00:48:36,286 It's a wonderful experience. 998 00:48:37,086 --> 00:48:40,206 And have you got anything that you'd like to 999 00:48:40,206 --> 00:48:42,306 leave the viewers with before we wrap it up? 1000 00:48:42,456 --> 00:48:47,586 Really just like I said before, understand that we're 1001 00:48:47,616 --> 00:48:50,046 united as a human species. 1002 00:48:50,256 --> 00:48:52,476 We've got a heck of a lot more in common 1003 00:48:52,956 --> 00:48:54,906 than what's surfaced. 1004 00:48:55,596 --> 00:48:56,706 Separates us. 1005 00:48:57,036 --> 00:49:00,706 And that understanding that will help us to survive 1006 00:49:00,706 --> 00:49:01,876 and thrive as a species. 1007 00:49:01,876 --> 00:49:05,506 And I think astral projection helps you to achieve that 1008 00:49:05,506 --> 00:49:08,866 realization because it takes you out of your small little 1009 00:49:08,866 --> 00:49:12,916 physical body and you get to see the greater world and 1010 00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:16,996 understand that you are more than just your physical body 1011 00:49:17,356 --> 00:49:18,846 and so is everyone else. 1012 00:49:19,816 --> 00:49:23,776 And that there's a lot more involved than just 1013 00:49:24,046 --> 00:49:27,106 this physical life and this physical time. 1014 00:49:27,556 --> 00:49:31,906 Yes, do your thing in this lifetime, but understand that 1015 00:49:31,906 --> 00:49:36,466 there's much more to come in the future and that we should 1016 00:49:36,471 --> 00:49:38,746 do it together as a species. 1017 00:49:39,546 --> 00:49:43,086 Rick, thank you for that message and thank you so much 1018 00:49:43,086 --> 00:49:44,166 for coming on the channel. 1019 00:49:44,166 --> 00:49:47,376 I really appreciate you taking the time out to talk 1020 00:49:47,376 --> 00:49:49,926 to me from all across the other side of the world. 1021 00:49:50,296 --> 00:49:50,981 Thanks a lot, Rod. 1022 00:49:50,981 --> 00:49:51,461 I appreciate it.