WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.020 --> 00:00:26.850 Anke: Hello and welcome to it. 00:00:26.910 --> 00:00:29.460 I'm very honored to have you here with me 00:00:29.460 --> 00:00:29.970 Turid: today. 00:00:31.530 --> 00:00:35.910 Well, it's nice to see you too, and find out what you are doing. 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:43.380 Anke: Well, my mission is to bring experts like you to people who have 00:00:43.380 --> 00:00:46.860 dogs and wanna be the best people they can possibly be for them. 00:00:47.190 --> 00:00:50.760 So this is a real honor for me to have you here. 00:00:50.760 --> 00:00:55.560 So, because I've seen some things about your work, so I'm very keen 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.350 to share your expertise with people. 00:00:58.350 --> 00:01:03.210 So why don't you share with people where you are based and you know 00:01:03.390 --> 00:01:05.370 how, what's your business with dogs? 00:01:06.045 --> 00:01:10.875 Turid: Do you know, uh, I have been working with a lot of things after the 00:01:10.875 --> 00:01:16.665 years and done so many different kind of studies and, and all kind of things. 00:01:16.665 --> 00:01:22.155 So there are many things that are, uh, interesting for me to talk about and I 00:01:22.155 --> 00:01:25.010 don't really know what you, what you are. 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.750 People are interested in and what kind of people they are. 00:01:30.860 --> 00:01:37.280 Uh, usually when, uh, when I speak to people I know approximately where 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.410 they come from because one of the interesting things is that, uh, 00:01:42.500 --> 00:01:49.340 dog owners are not only dog owners, they are also very culturally, um. 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:57.630 You know, in each, each place they have some dog cultures that 00:01:57.630 --> 00:01:59.520 are different from other places. 00:02:00.330 --> 00:02:00.600 That's true. 00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:05.100 And then if, uh, for instance, your people are mostly from Spain? 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.770 Uh, okay. 00:02:07.770 --> 00:02:08.670 So no, they're mostly 00:02:08.670 --> 00:02:10.680 Anke: in the States and the uk. 00:02:10.980 --> 00:02:12.990 There's quite a few Australians as well. 00:02:12.990 --> 00:02:15.000 So all speaking countries. 00:02:15.375 --> 00:02:15.435 Turid: Yeah. 00:02:15.525 --> 00:02:15.885 Yeah. 00:02:15.885 --> 00:02:18.645 Anke: No Spanish people won't follow us if we talk in English. 00:02:18.735 --> 00:02:18.765 Okay. 00:02:18.765 --> 00:02:18.825 No, 00:02:19.965 --> 00:02:20.445 Turid: no. 00:02:21.165 --> 00:02:28.215 Uh, so it's always a bit difficult to, to say what, uh, would I like to share, uh, 00:02:28.815 --> 00:02:38.085 Americans, us and Canada, and I would say talk seriously about a few things to them. 00:02:39.045 --> 00:02:43.905 Australians, some something else, European, something else. 00:02:43.905 --> 00:02:47.325 Again, because it's so different what people are doing. 00:02:47.835 --> 00:02:48.195 Anke: Yeah. 00:02:48.195 --> 00:02:51.525 So let's go for the states, because I think most, if I look at mm-hmm. 00:02:51.825 --> 00:02:54.585 The statistics, most of my people would be in the States. 00:02:54.585 --> 00:02:57.765 But I'm really curious also like where you see those main differences. 00:02:58.515 --> 00:02:58.905 Turid: Yeah. 00:02:59.355 --> 00:03:04.365 Uh, the, it is really amazing how big the differences are and I learned 00:03:04.365 --> 00:03:09.555 about it when I traveled, which I don't do anymore, but I traveled a lot 00:03:09.555 --> 00:03:12.525 and I was a lot in the United States. 00:03:13.005 --> 00:03:22.695 And, um, uh, what is typical about, uh, dog owners there is that they are. 00:03:23.505 --> 00:03:32.565 So, uh, much into controlling dogs, they are so afraid of, uh, people 00:03:32.565 --> 00:03:37.725 thinking that they are not good enough and what the neighbors are saying, 00:03:38.235 --> 00:03:43.695 and everybody needs to think that they are good and they have wonderful dogs 00:03:43.725 --> 00:03:47.175 and much more than any other places. 00:03:48.300 --> 00:03:48.720 Anke: Wow. 00:03:48.720 --> 00:03:53.700 I didn't realize because I, I'm very aware that in Spain 00:03:53.700 --> 00:03:55.080 the culture is very different. 00:03:55.590 --> 00:04:00.030 So it's, well, it's a tool and if it doesn't serve me in some way, then, you 00:04:00.030 --> 00:04:02.395 know, so it's probably quite the opposite. 00:04:02.740 --> 00:04:08.200 Turid: So every, every time I traveled, I had, I prepared very much by the 00:04:08.200 --> 00:04:11.980 culture I was going to, uh, to work in. 00:04:12.760 --> 00:04:18.100 And going to the United States of America was always troublesome for 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:27.760 me because what we are doing is, uh, trying to deal with dogs in the most 00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:30.970 natural way that it's possible to do it. 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:36.480 We cannot be completely natural because our lives are not natural anymore. 00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:39.930 But, uh, we can do it as much as we can. 00:04:41.310 --> 00:04:49.470 And, uh, the way people keep dogs in, in America is very, very, very unnatural. 00:04:50.910 --> 00:04:59.730 Uh, so trying to make them be interested in letting go of their control. 00:05:00.660 --> 00:05:07.920 And give F in whatever the neighbors are saying about you, and try 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:09.660 to do the best for your dog. 00:05:11.475 --> 00:05:12.525 Uh, that is, 00:05:12.585 --> 00:05:12.825 Anke: uh, 00:05:12.915 --> 00:05:13.725 Turid: not easy. 00:05:14.745 --> 00:05:15.885 Anke: I can imagine. 00:05:16.245 --> 00:05:19.875 So, so what, how would you, how would you, like, how would you normally 00:05:19.875 --> 00:05:22.845 start with people when they kind of think, oh my God, I've got a, 00:05:22.995 --> 00:05:25.575 you know, and I do actually recall. 00:05:25.770 --> 00:05:29.670 You know, when I had my first dog and you walk around the neighborhood and 00:05:29.670 --> 00:05:33.630 you have people sort of behind their windows and you kind of feel already 00:05:33.630 --> 00:05:35.520 judged before they say anything. 00:05:35.700 --> 00:05:35.940 Right. 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:40.920 So what would, like, how would do you recommend you go about, okay, let's 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.365 just, you know, give my dog a bit. 00:05:43.365 --> 00:05:43.515 Dog. 00:05:43.515 --> 00:05:43.715 Yeah. 00:05:43.715 --> 00:05:43.995 What I 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:50.610 Turid: try to do is to tell people what is, uh, natural for dogs, what they like, 00:05:51.150 --> 00:05:53.700 uh, what they want their lives to be. 00:05:54.855 --> 00:06:00.045 Uh, and that means they need a lot of freedom. 00:06:00.435 --> 00:06:07.305 Freedom to move, freedom to think and do what they like, uh, which 00:06:07.305 --> 00:06:11.445 is very, very strange to Americans. 00:06:11.685 --> 00:06:11.745 Mm. 00:06:13.095 --> 00:06:19.335 They always keep them under search control, that they, they stay in crates. 00:06:19.905 --> 00:06:22.665 They have to eat a certain kind of food. 00:06:23.175 --> 00:06:27.585 They are allowed this, they are not allowed that, and they walk in 00:06:27.945 --> 00:06:34.035 in very short leashes and they are not allowed to do anything that 00:06:34.035 --> 00:06:37.665 dogs naturally would like to do. 00:06:37.935 --> 00:06:45.285 Uh, I always try to talk about how, uh, important it is for dogs and 00:06:45.285 --> 00:06:52.425 people as well to grow up with a kind of freedom of thinking, trying 00:06:52.425 --> 00:06:58.605 to be creative and do what they, uh, like to do, to develop properly. 00:06:59.475 --> 00:07:05.895 They need a lot of physical freedom to develop healthy, uh, for their body. 00:07:07.315 --> 00:07:12.540 Uh, and, uh, that is, that is very important to me. 00:07:13.830 --> 00:07:14.190 Hmm. 00:07:14.190 --> 00:07:22.170 Uh, there's a lot of very, uh, unnatural ways of looking at dogs because, uh, 00:07:22.950 --> 00:07:28.200 I feel that, uh, one of the worst things that has happened to the dog 00:07:28.200 --> 00:07:34.200 world is, uh, classes and training. 00:07:35.070 --> 00:07:42.690 And scientists because they try to make everything by a, a schedule a book, 00:07:43.080 --> 00:07:45.390 and everybody has to fit into that. 00:07:46.305 --> 00:07:46.455 Anke: Yeah. 00:07:46.875 --> 00:07:49.125 So much more room to get things wrong, right? 00:07:49.545 --> 00:07:49.875 Turid: Yeah. 00:07:49.875 --> 00:07:56.535 And when you put, uh, we know for many, many years now that when you put kids 00:07:56.535 --> 00:08:03.675 into a frame like that, they will not develop, they will not, uh, thrive. 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:10.590 And you will lose a lot of brilliant minds and wonderful people because 00:08:10.590 --> 00:08:12.750 they cannot get outta the frame. 00:08:12.840 --> 00:08:12.900 Hmm. 00:08:13.530 --> 00:08:17.910 Anke: And that is the same problem though, because I mean, what you just described. 00:08:18.885 --> 00:08:22.815 How dogs are like controlled every second and every, I'm like, well, 00:08:22.815 --> 00:08:24.315 aren't we doing the same with kids? 00:08:24.675 --> 00:08:24.790 Turid: Mm mm 00:08:25.095 --> 00:08:26.505 Anke: It's very parallel, isn't it? 00:08:26.775 --> 00:08:28.245 So how can we get some freedom back there? 00:08:28.245 --> 00:08:28.425 When I wa 00:08:28.845 --> 00:08:29.355 Turid: Yeah. 00:08:29.415 --> 00:08:36.765 And when I was traveling around in the US and saw how they stay in crates, they are 00:08:36.795 --> 00:08:39.165 allowed to take just a few steps here. 00:08:39.225 --> 00:08:45.225 Uh, just a few steps there, and there's absolutely no freedom or mind or movement. 00:08:45.510 --> 00:08:46.260 At all. 00:08:46.800 --> 00:08:48.360 And I saw the result. 00:08:49.110 --> 00:08:54.060 I've never seen so many depressed dogs in my life. 00:08:54.510 --> 00:08:54.720 Wow. 00:08:55.560 --> 00:09:00.690 And people think they are well behaved, uncontrolled, and wonderful. 00:09:01.170 --> 00:09:04.710 And all I could see was depression, like shut down. 00:09:06.075 --> 00:09:11.175 Not shut down because that is, you saw that also, but that is, uh, 00:09:11.475 --> 00:09:14.955 the last little, uh, piece of it. 00:09:15.105 --> 00:09:16.845 But they are depressed. 00:09:17.115 --> 00:09:17.205 Mm-hmm. 00:09:17.205 --> 00:09:20.535 Just like people are depressed, going around, being sad. 00:09:20.895 --> 00:09:24.675 Cannot think any, any thoughts by themselves. 00:09:26.610 --> 00:09:32.010 That is why so many people just follow what leaders tell them because they have 00:09:32.010 --> 00:09:34.320 never learned to think by themselves. 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:44.400 And I always, uh, tell my, uh, my clients, just watch your dogs and see how smart 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:47.190 they are when they are allowed to think. 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.830 And it is my belief and not only belief. 00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:59.370 I know for sure because I've trained tens of thousands of dogs up through the years. 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:01.110 I try to count it. 00:10:01.235 --> 00:10:03.420 I I given up because it's too many. 00:10:04.695 --> 00:10:11.235 But, uh, what I see and still see is that when you let go, when you let 00:10:11.235 --> 00:10:20.385 them be allowed to think and find out about things, dogs are so smart, people 00:10:20.385 --> 00:10:23.775 underestimate them in incredibly bad. 00:10:25.425 --> 00:10:32.235 They are so smart and, uh, for instance, my, uh, my daughter, uh, 00:10:32.235 --> 00:10:37.695 I work together with her now and, uh, she for a half a year now has 00:10:37.695 --> 00:10:40.815 been looking after a couple of dogs. 00:10:40.885 --> 00:10:48.985 Uh, for some specific reason, and they are a typical example, uh, 00:10:48.985 --> 00:10:56.245 they are just stressed and hopeless and incredibly, uh, well, shall 00:10:56.245 --> 00:10:59.965 we say, uh, unsmart in many ways. 00:10:59.965 --> 00:11:05.005 And, uh, she has been doing what we always do. 00:11:05.605 --> 00:11:07.465 We let them have a chance to develop. 00:11:08.890 --> 00:11:19.605 And, uh, some time ago she told me with a happy voice that today I saw the dog think 00:11:20.625 --> 00:11:25.005 he was using his brain for the first time. 00:11:26.055 --> 00:11:26.325 Wow. 00:11:27.315 --> 00:11:34.095 And, uh, when people cannot believe that dogs can do that and control them all that 00:11:34.215 --> 00:11:39.765 all the time and keep them within these frames, don't let them develop at all. 00:11:40.275 --> 00:11:45.015 We get this, all these problems, we get behavior problems. 00:11:45.285 --> 00:11:46.880 We get, uh, what we call. 00:11:47.605 --> 00:11:49.465 Dog to dog problems. 00:11:49.855 --> 00:11:55.405 We get all kind of physical problems and we get dogs who have all the problems you 00:11:55.405 --> 00:11:59.695 can think of in the world, in the wild, they would never had those problems. 00:11:59.695 --> 00:12:05.185 Yeah, because they would have been able to develop and they would have been smart. 00:12:05.545 --> 00:12:08.755 I call them street streetwise because they have an. 00:12:09.645 --> 00:12:16.575 An incredible ability to find out about how to deal with problems in 00:12:16.575 --> 00:12:18.705 daily life if they are allowed to. 00:12:19.755 --> 00:12:23.325 Anke: Yeah, that's, I mean, I actually found like three out 00:12:23.325 --> 00:12:25.335 of my pool are from the street. 00:12:25.560 --> 00:12:25.680 I. 00:12:25.830 --> 00:12:26.100 Hmm. 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:29.595 Anke: And boy, they know their way around and they know how to, they 00:12:29.595 --> 00:12:33.210 know their way, you know, get food and how to, oh, I'm cute and I know 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:34.320 you're gonna give me something. 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:35.850 Like, they know how to, 00:12:35.910 --> 00:12:38.820 Turid: not only that, they found out about problems. 00:12:38.820 --> 00:12:42.630 They solve problems, and they are so much quicker about it 00:12:42.630 --> 00:12:44.310 and smarter than people are. 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.470 And when people ask me, uh, how, how intelligent are dogs? 00:12:49.530 --> 00:12:53.730 And I say, I don't know, but they are definitely more intelligent than we are. 00:12:54.075 --> 00:12:55.695 Because we do all the wrong things. 00:12:55.695 --> 00:13:04.905 They don't, I, I trust them 200 percentage and in my experience in 00:13:04.905 --> 00:13:09.345 all the years I've been working with dogs, I've never been wrong in it. 00:13:10.275 --> 00:13:10.575 Wow. 00:13:12.270 --> 00:13:18.120 So, uh, uh, what I want to, to tell people, please, please let 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:25.920 dogs have a chance of growing up, develop their natural skills and 00:13:25.920 --> 00:13:28.920 their fantastic social skills. 00:13:30.150 --> 00:13:34.680 Because we have so much to learn from dogs in that respect. 00:13:35.610 --> 00:13:40.440 I think that in, when people ask me about what kind of methods do you 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:43.410 use, I say, I don't use any methods. 00:13:44.310 --> 00:13:49.620 I, I try to, to read and connect with the dog and then find out 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:57.090 what the dog wants and what he, that dog needs, and there it is. 00:13:57.090 --> 00:13:58.275 Very simple actually. 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:05.940 Dogs do not need to do tricks and fun things. 00:14:07.290 --> 00:14:12.570 Adult dogs are adult dogs and they think adult ways. 00:14:12.570 --> 00:14:12.600 I. 00:14:13.305 --> 00:14:17.295 Much more than, uh, for instance, Spanish people. 00:14:17.655 --> 00:14:20.235 They are much more adult than Spanish people. 00:14:24.870 --> 00:14:30.465 So, and they, uh, we have, we had to see what is necessary. 00:14:30.465 --> 00:14:35.835 So if I had a dog, uh, the last, uh, the last two dogs I took in, 00:14:35.835 --> 00:14:37.485 they were adult when I got them. 00:14:38.205 --> 00:14:42.405 And, uh, I never, as long as I had them said. 00:14:42.810 --> 00:14:49.350 One command or ask them one thing, but they would always do what they wanted 00:14:49.350 --> 00:14:56.880 anyway because they are so smart in seeing what we need, where they need to be. 00:14:57.630 --> 00:14:59.610 They follow where you are. 00:14:59.700 --> 00:15:01.140 They keep track of you. 00:15:01.470 --> 00:15:04.080 They, they are family members. 00:15:04.680 --> 00:15:08.190 They wouldn't leave the family if they feel good in a family. 00:15:08.640 --> 00:15:09.750 No way. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:10.410 They would. 00:15:12.450 --> 00:15:16.650 And they will solve the problems that that comes up. 00:15:16.710 --> 00:15:18.720 They will share their things. 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:27.030 They will share their, their time and their food and their, their 00:15:27.030 --> 00:15:30.300 generosity with all the dogs and people. 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:37.740 They will, they will be totally different than people see dogs today. 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:41.820 Instead of putting on a leash, going for a nice little walk around the, 00:15:42.270 --> 00:15:47.310 the, the block and back again and into the crate and give him some dry food. 00:15:47.610 --> 00:15:49.770 I would never give a dog dry food. 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:50.430 Never. 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.470 They need food. 00:15:53.640 --> 00:15:54.990 They need to be free. 00:15:55.860 --> 00:16:00.000 I never had a crate in my house and will never, never have it. 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:00.930 Hmm. 00:16:01.380 --> 00:16:04.170 Turid: No living animals should be in a crate. 00:16:04.770 --> 00:16:04.920 Anke: Hmm. 00:16:05.880 --> 00:16:07.530 Do you, do you think. 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:11.700 I'm thinking like when I first got my first dog, you know, well, 00:16:11.730 --> 00:16:13.650 yeah, it wasn't planned move. 00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:17.310 It was like, here's a puppy, and like it's alone in the street. 00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:20.370 So all of a sudden I had, I mean, I wanted one, but I was kind of 00:16:20.370 --> 00:16:22.740 like, he sort of found me and I. 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:29.260 I was living in the historic part of, of Granada, so very busy, very narrow, and 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:35.080 so it was quite a stressful environment for a dog as I realized seeing them how, 00:16:35.170 --> 00:16:39.220 you know, he, and especially the second one was very sensitive, very like, this 00:16:39.220 --> 00:16:41.560 is like information overload all the time. 00:16:41.560 --> 00:16:42.190 So. 00:16:42.430 --> 00:16:45.370 Over the years, I moved like further and further away. 00:16:45.430 --> 00:16:50.140 So now I have a space where the doors open, the dogs come and go as they want. 00:16:50.455 --> 00:16:50.875 Mm-hmm. 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:55.510 And boy can you tell the difference in the way they are chilled out and 00:16:55.810 --> 00:16:57.550 you know, friendly with everyone. 00:16:57.550 --> 00:17:01.210 So literally what you are saying, and I find having the 00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:03.880 space makes that so much easier. 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:08.500 So what's your take on people with dogs and towns in cities where 00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:10.300 there isn't that space available? 00:17:11.745 --> 00:17:13.665 Turid: I, I wouldn't worry about it. 00:17:15.165 --> 00:17:18.795 Uh, there are, uh, of course you have to, when you get a puppy, you have to be a 00:17:18.795 --> 00:17:24.945 bit careful so they don't get into trouble with some natural dogs because there are 00:17:24.945 --> 00:17:30.255 a lot of them also around, we don't have them because we don't have any stray dogs. 00:17:30.795 --> 00:17:35.505 Uh, and uh, so we are, uh, quite lucky that way. 00:17:36.165 --> 00:17:37.425 Uh, but, uh. 00:17:39.025 --> 00:17:43.290 Uh, I wouldn't be too worried about except for the, these puppies, 00:17:43.290 --> 00:17:44.730 you have to shield the puppies. 00:17:44.730 --> 00:17:45.930 You have to protect them. 00:17:46.350 --> 00:17:52.590 Like, if a puppy grew up in a, uh, a family of dogs, they, all the 00:17:52.590 --> 00:17:54.840 dogs would protect him all the time. 00:17:54.840 --> 00:17:56.550 He would be totally safe. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:01.110 Nobody will let anybody do any harm to that puppy. 00:18:02.070 --> 00:18:04.710 Uh, adult dogs are f builders. 00:18:05.055 --> 00:18:07.575 Parents and caretakers. 00:18:08.355 --> 00:18:10.935 Much, much better than any person. 00:18:11.025 --> 00:18:13.395 Human, uh, human person. 00:18:13.455 --> 00:18:13.665 Yeah. 00:18:13.935 --> 00:18:15.315 Anke: I, I've experienced that. 00:18:15.315 --> 00:18:19.395 This one, she literally raised the last one, the last one came. 00:18:19.395 --> 00:18:21.585 She was tiny and she took care of her. 00:18:21.795 --> 00:18:25.845 She put up with all her puppy antics and playing in this, and it was 00:18:25.845 --> 00:18:27.735 the easiest puppy to raise for me. 00:18:27.765 --> 00:18:29.055 'cause I had no work to do. 00:18:29.145 --> 00:18:29.325 Yeah. 00:18:29.390 --> 00:18:29.590 Yeah. 00:18:29.805 --> 00:18:30.765 The dog did it all. 00:18:31.105 --> 00:18:31.705 Turid: Oh yes. 00:18:31.705 --> 00:18:33.055 And I see that also. 00:18:33.055 --> 00:18:38.245 So they need to be protected and the best if you have, uh, adult dogs to do it. 00:18:38.245 --> 00:18:40.045 But if not, you have to do it. 00:18:40.045 --> 00:18:43.735 You have to be a good parent for that puppy. 00:18:44.035 --> 00:18:47.755 When they're over the puppy age, they, they can need to 00:18:47.755 --> 00:18:50.605 get out and get challenges. 00:18:51.165 --> 00:18:56.655 Because they need to, to, uh, take challenges and work through it as well. 00:18:57.735 --> 00:19:04.155 Uh, when they are adult and have learned a lot about life being, uh, 00:19:04.365 --> 00:19:09.135 to some certain degree protected by us and had the freedom to find out about 00:19:09.135 --> 00:19:11.805 things, they don't need that anymore. 00:19:11.985 --> 00:19:13.935 They will do it by themselves. 00:19:14.495 --> 00:19:21.755 They will are perfectly fine in, in, uh, uh, living in tight places and 00:19:21.755 --> 00:19:24.815 difficult places and ated places. 00:19:25.355 --> 00:19:32.825 I mean, uh, dogs who live, uh, free in the street in, uh, busy, busy, uh, cities. 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:38.700 They, they are never run down by cars because they know 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:40.980 how to, to deal with traffic. 00:19:41.850 --> 00:19:48.150 I mean, in, in big cities, they actually go by the traffic lights. 00:19:48.570 --> 00:19:51.690 They cross the street on green light. 00:19:52.110 --> 00:19:56.820 People run, they run on red light, and this dogs stand there 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.620 waiting for the green light. 00:19:59.550 --> 00:20:01.110 So who's the smartest? 00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:01.770 Anke: Yeah. 00:20:02.130 --> 00:20:06.330 There was this dog who would regularly catch like different buses to go 00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:08.520 to a dog park by himself for years. 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:09.270 Mm-hmm. 00:20:09.360 --> 00:20:11.940 Anke: You know, you would like, I think you. 00:20:12.675 --> 00:20:13.005 Yeah. 00:20:13.005 --> 00:20:15.825 This idea that we totally underestimate them was like, you 00:20:15.825 --> 00:20:16.995 can literal to see that everywhere. 00:20:16.995 --> 00:20:17.325 Oh yes. 00:20:17.535 --> 00:20:19.095 Turid: We underestimate them. 00:20:19.545 --> 00:20:25.425 And uh, it also has to do with the fact that, uh, human beings, we are the 00:20:25.485 --> 00:20:33.495 absolutely youngest, uh, creation, uh, on earth of all the species that has been, 00:20:33.495 --> 00:20:36.075 uh, developed, uh, uh, on this globe. 00:20:36.345 --> 00:20:40.816 We are the youngest, we are still green horns and in a. 00:20:42.135 --> 00:20:42.495 Hmm. 00:20:42.795 --> 00:20:46.005 We haven't learned to live and take care of ourselves yet. 00:20:46.455 --> 00:20:48.225 Just see what we do with the world. 00:20:48.435 --> 00:20:50.235 We are destroying our own world. 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:52.920 Dogs wouldn't do that. 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:53.640 No. 00:20:53.700 --> 00:20:55.320 Anke: No animal would be that stupid, 00:20:55.650 --> 00:20:55.740 Turid: right? 00:20:56.070 --> 00:20:57.150 No, they wouldn't. 00:20:57.155 --> 00:20:57.335 Mm. 00:20:57.335 --> 00:20:57.336 Mm-hmm. 00:20:58.050 --> 00:21:03.900 Uh, so, uh, we are so young and such greenhorns yet that we do all 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:08.280 the mistakes and we don't seem to learn properly by it yet either. 00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:13.320 It'll take some million years before that happens, I think, and by then 00:21:13.320 --> 00:21:16.710 we had probably erased ourselves. 00:21:17.310 --> 00:21:17.520 Yeah. 00:21:19.395 --> 00:21:28.035 Turid: We, we need to now start to listen to what animals tell us how to 00:21:28.425 --> 00:21:33.075 live and how to survive in a proper way. 00:21:33.855 --> 00:21:34.125 Anke: Yeah. 00:21:34.335 --> 00:21:36.465 And in harmony with what's around 00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:41.895 Turid: the, the harmony in a proper free dog. 00:21:42.045 --> 00:21:45.645 Family Pack is incredible. 00:21:46.965 --> 00:21:48.495 They protect each other. 00:21:48.495 --> 00:21:51.105 They take care of the puppies. 00:21:51.765 --> 00:21:59.925 They let them develop and grow up in a healthy way so they become perfect adults. 00:22:01.005 --> 00:22:05.325 And when we get puppies, we make trouble after of everything. 00:22:06.915 --> 00:22:07.455 Anke: That's so true. 00:22:07.965 --> 00:22:10.635 I mean, I guess it's this whole helicopter parenting thing. 00:22:11.055 --> 00:22:11.385 Turid: Yeah. 00:22:11.820 --> 00:22:13.590 Anke: And we do it to dogs as well. 00:22:13.860 --> 00:22:19.350 Turid: I'm not, and I'm not very impressed by people's ability to deal with dogs. 00:22:19.770 --> 00:22:23.040 All they can think about is, oh, co competition. 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:23.670 Competition. 00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:26.730 Ooh, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun for dogs. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:29.040 That is meaningless. 00:22:30.435 --> 00:22:35.415 When they are young, they are young and they can, uh, have some fun with, we 00:22:35.925 --> 00:22:41.685 run around and do do silly things just like young people do, but when they 00:22:41.775 --> 00:22:48.255 are adult, they are adult and they take that responsibility really seriously. 00:22:49.575 --> 00:22:53.745 Adult dogs don't play, they don't run around looking like 00:22:53.745 --> 00:22:55.785 idiots, like, uh, people do. 00:22:59.010 --> 00:23:07.350 So, uh, my, my mission, I feel is more or less to try to make people see, uh, 00:23:07.410 --> 00:23:13.770 how natural we can be with dogs and try to do it the way that dogs would 00:23:13.770 --> 00:23:17.130 do it, as close to it as is possible. 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:17.970 Hmm. 00:23:18.750 --> 00:23:20.880 I, I never use a command to a dog. 00:23:20.970 --> 00:23:21.450 Never. 00:23:22.320 --> 00:23:23.520 It's not necessary. 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:28.020 If I want the doctor to follow me, I just turn and walk and I follow. 00:23:29.070 --> 00:23:29.640 That's, no, 00:23:29.670 --> 00:23:30.930 Anke: nothing more about it. 00:23:31.530 --> 00:23:31.830 Yeah. 00:23:33.570 --> 00:23:34.470 Anke: That's fascinating. 00:23:34.470 --> 00:23:38.430 And so, I mean, how would somebody go about, um, I. 00:23:40.590 --> 00:23:43.920 You know, somebody listening, going, oh my God, I, I wish I could just turn 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.540 around my, my dog would follow me. 00:23:45.540 --> 00:23:49.560 But like say if you have a dog who's kind of used to crate and leash and you 00:23:49.560 --> 00:23:51.420 know, and you think like, that's right. 00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:53.610 It's time to do something different. 00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:56.520 You know, how can somebody start shifting? 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:56.700 Uh, 00:23:57.540 --> 00:24:00.930 Turid: it, it'll be a little different in each case because, uh, 00:24:00.990 --> 00:24:03.000 all cases are a little different. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.520 But as a golden rule, I would say first and foremost, you have 00:24:08.520 --> 00:24:15.480 to stop all these commanding and controlling of the dog when you go out. 00:24:15.510 --> 00:24:19.230 And it's necessary to have controlled okay, have a lesion. 00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:22.230 So, uh, it nothing happens. 00:24:22.800 --> 00:24:23.580 That's okay. 00:24:23.910 --> 00:24:29.250 But you have to make a new schedule for yourself and your dog. 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:34.950 Find a place every day where the dog can be free outside. 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:40.920 Uh, here in my country, we are now starting to get more and more and more 00:24:41.280 --> 00:24:47.220 of this huge enclosures where peop people can go with one, one dog and just let him 00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:50.400 be free in there to, to just feel free. 00:24:51.225 --> 00:24:52.300 That is so beautiful. 00:24:52.760 --> 00:24:57.105 It is getting very common now, and I think it'll be more and more in 00:24:57.105 --> 00:25:03.525 the future and, and of course at home, always free in the house. 00:25:03.885 --> 00:25:06.795 No restrictions whatsoever. 00:25:07.515 --> 00:25:12.375 He should be just as free in the house that you are if you are 00:25:12.375 --> 00:25:14.385 not allowed to sit on a chair. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:20.130 Okay, the, your dog can get the same restriction, but if you 00:25:20.130 --> 00:25:24.420 are allowed to sit there, the dog should also, if he wants to. 00:25:24.930 --> 00:25:25.110 Yeah. 00:25:25.575 --> 00:25:27.285 Turid: That's my, uh, philosophy. 00:25:27.645 --> 00:25:28.065 Okay. 00:25:28.065 --> 00:25:32.745 So free, a lot of freedom, uh, places outside to feel 00:25:32.745 --> 00:25:34.965 free and move not by running. 00:25:35.385 --> 00:25:40.125 Uh, and you stop all that ball throwing and stick throwing. 00:25:40.575 --> 00:25:43.635 It's one of the worst things you can do with dogs. 00:25:43.755 --> 00:25:46.185 It's, it's completely idiotic. 00:25:46.185 --> 00:25:52.545 You have never seen in the wild that they run for the same thing 30 times in a row. 00:25:53.580 --> 00:25:55.470 No dog would be that ideal. 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:57.660 It would never be that stupid. 00:25:58.710 --> 00:26:01.680 If they cannot catch it the first time, they don't do it. 00:26:02.310 --> 00:26:03.390 Finished with that. 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:05.925 Learn from the dog. 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.090 They know so much better what is good for them. 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:12.960 Uh, freedom every day. 00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:19.620 Then you can very easily teach a dog to, to, uh, fall of you wherever you go. 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.760 You can start training, uh, a little bit in, in your own 00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:27.120 house, uh, or just outside. 00:26:27.675 --> 00:26:33.195 You walk, you have to walk slow enough for your dog because people walk too fast. 00:26:33.705 --> 00:26:38.325 No dog has that space, that, uh, pace of, uh, walking. 00:26:38.535 --> 00:26:47.415 And we have to, we have to do it at the, your own dogs leg length there. 00:26:47.415 --> 00:26:50.880 Smaller the dog, the, the slower you must walk. 00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:54.000 And we have done some testing. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:00.390 We take the time when we see, uh, a dog has a very relaxed and nice walking. 00:27:00.810 --> 00:27:04.860 We take the time from A to B to see how fast that is. 00:27:05.580 --> 00:27:09.990 And, uh, I never see people who walk slow enough. 00:27:10.290 --> 00:27:10.740 Never. 00:27:12.090 --> 00:27:13.560 They have to learn to do it. 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:14.160 Hmm. 00:27:15.210 --> 00:27:20.880 So we have to learn to walk, uh, with a dog, not the dog to walk with us. 00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:21.780 Yeah, 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:28.560 Turid: this has to be a, a thing that we do together. 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:29.010 Hmm. 00:27:29.430 --> 00:27:34.920 Turid: So you walk out, walk slowly, and then you just change 00:27:35.100 --> 00:27:41.635 body, change direction and the dog changes to, that's all 00:27:41.635 --> 00:27:42.195 Anke: there is to it. 00:27:43.830 --> 00:27:45.060 And you can stand going 00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:45.630 Anke: together. 00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:46.230 I love that. 00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:50.160 I actually all, I, I've naturally sort of done that from thinking 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.630 like, it's your walk, right? 00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:53.700 It's not about you running next to me. 00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:56.250 It's like, we are out here because the walk's for you. 00:27:56.250 --> 00:28:02.130 So we are traveling together and I got so much criticism from, from neighbors, like, 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.410 oh, you can't let the dog control you. 00:28:04.410 --> 00:28:05.520 And oh my God. 00:28:05.730 --> 00:28:07.470 Turid: Oh yes, absolutely. 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:11.220 That's the best thing in the world because they are much smarter than we are. 00:28:11.710 --> 00:28:16.840 So I would that, that, that, that's some, uh, myth that's come up 00:28:16.840 --> 00:28:21.220 with all this scientific nonsense that they are dealing with. 00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:24.250 That we have to be the boss and we have to do this. 00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:25.600 And no, we don't. 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:30.160 We are stupid compared to dogs. 00:28:30.370 --> 00:28:34.720 They're, and it works. 00:28:34.810 --> 00:28:35.890 It really works. 00:28:36.375 --> 00:28:42.675 So, uh, the only things we teach people is to walk slow enough for your dog, let 00:28:42.675 --> 00:28:45.975 them sniff and explore as much as he want. 00:28:46.305 --> 00:28:50.835 Because the number one thing for a dog is to be able to use his 00:28:50.835 --> 00:28:56.715 senses, first and foremost, the eyes, to look what is around him. 00:28:57.105 --> 00:29:03.735 That's how he learns how to deal with and handle and cope with the environment. 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:06.510 It not looking at you. 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:14.910 And one thing that, one thing I have started a fight against, it's a war, 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:21.420 a civil war against, and that is making the dog go looking at you. 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:27.780 Oh, it is the worst thing you can do because in one 00:29:27.780 --> 00:29:30.180 way it's physically damaging. 00:29:30.210 --> 00:29:35.010 They destroy the next and almost all adult dogs I see. 00:29:35.310 --> 00:29:42.240 I can say right away that dog has had to go and look at the own owner in contact 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.740 training because they are completely destroyed in their neck and back. 00:29:46.950 --> 00:29:47.130 Yeah. 00:29:47.130 --> 00:29:48.840 'cause I have to kind of look up all the time. 00:29:50.850 --> 00:29:52.500 You can see it immediately. 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:58.440 If the dog has had to do that and they have so much pain in the 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.510 neck, because that is painful. 00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:05.880 If you talk to people and almost all people at some point have had, uh, some 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.350 pain in the neck and it is painful. 00:30:11.070 --> 00:30:18.510 And your dogs, people, most of you, your dogs go around with that pain a lot. 00:30:19.245 --> 00:30:26.805 And that is why they start, uh, they start launching and, uh, barking at the dogs. 00:30:26.805 --> 00:30:32.205 When they go for walks and they get irritable, they get nervous, they get 00:30:32.205 --> 00:30:34.695 angry because they have so much pain. 00:30:36.165 --> 00:30:37.185 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:30:37.935 --> 00:30:43.815 So we need to learn to go relaxed and enjoy. 00:30:44.670 --> 00:30:49.050 Being with a dog, we call it walking with a loose leash, a smiling 00:30:49.050 --> 00:30:53.100 leash hanging, not tight at all. 00:30:53.790 --> 00:30:59.250 Let the dog explore and see and learn from where he is walking. 00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:03.195 Enjoy the walk instead of exercising. 00:31:04.080 --> 00:31:06.390 Yeah, so true. 00:31:06.510 --> 00:31:07.080 So true. 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.980 And besides of that. 00:31:13.080 --> 00:31:14.670 The dog doesn't need anything. 00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:15.780 Mm-hmm. 00:31:15.780 --> 00:31:20.100 Freedom or movement for health and also feeling good. 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.920 Uh, have all the choices in the world what to do and be 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.100 allowed to, to walk, uh, at ease. 00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:34.260 Having a good time at the speed that is good for him physically. 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:34.800 Hmm. 00:31:35.925 --> 00:31:42.165 Turid: And, uh, being able to explore the world exploring is the most 00:31:42.165 --> 00:31:44.325 important thing that dogs can do. 00:31:44.895 --> 00:31:47.295 It develops them incredibly well. 00:31:47.895 --> 00:31:49.905 That's how they live in the, in the wild. 00:31:50.865 --> 00:31:51.195 Yeah. 00:31:51.765 --> 00:31:55.540 They know everything about their environment and 00:31:55.665 --> 00:31:57.225 that's what they want to do. 00:31:59.085 --> 00:32:02.205 And besides of that, you don't have to do a thing. 00:32:03.675 --> 00:32:04.095 I love it. 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:11.190 If you want your dog to be calm, you just sit down in a chair and calm yourself, 00:32:12.090 --> 00:32:18.660 and the dog will be calm because they, they settle in and do what they see. 00:32:18.930 --> 00:32:20.700 We, we do, they copy us. 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:22.110 Anke: Yeah. 00:32:22.830 --> 00:32:24.690 And they observe us really well. 00:32:24.875 --> 00:32:27.030 I mean, I have like one on mine he knew. 00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:33.090 I literally made experiments because there was literally the slightest thing. 00:32:33.090 --> 00:32:34.950 Like, oh, let's go out. 00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:36.540 And he'd be like, oh, we're going out. 00:32:36.600 --> 00:32:36.870 Right? 00:32:37.110 --> 00:32:41.010 And I'm sometimes wondering was like, give, am I giving something away? 00:32:41.010 --> 00:32:45.990 And I would make a point of not moving and he'd still know. 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.850 Yes, that dog would read my mind, you know, before I was thinking, 00:32:51.060 --> 00:32:57.720 Turid: no, they don't read minds, but, uh, they, you give away some electric impulses 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.790 that you're not, uh, aware of yourself. 00:33:00.060 --> 00:33:00.210 Yeah. 00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:06.390 And it can be just a little, uh, a little stiffening of the body going out. 00:33:07.395 --> 00:33:08.445 I'm getting ready. 00:33:08.685 --> 00:33:08.775 Mm-hmm. 00:33:08.775 --> 00:33:09.375 Oh yes. 00:33:09.585 --> 00:33:10.785 Don't quote that one. 00:33:11.085 --> 00:33:11.355 Yeah. 00:33:11.355 --> 00:33:12.530 Whether you like it or not. 00:33:12.885 --> 00:33:13.215 Yeah. 00:33:13.545 --> 00:33:16.755 They are so, so good at picking up what 00:33:16.755 --> 00:33:17.775 Anke: is around them. 00:33:18.735 --> 00:33:19.335 Totally. 00:33:19.365 --> 00:33:19.785 Totally. 00:33:19.935 --> 00:33:24.230 And I mean, now I'm sometimes wondering when, you know, I will make, I. 00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:27.870 Sometimes I'll wear the same thing I would wear when I go out with 00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:30.930 them and I'm like, there's literally don't bother kind of, you know, 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.910 it's like don't bother, just sort. 00:33:32.910 --> 00:33:35.850 I'm thinking like is, isn't that interesting how they always know 00:33:35.850 --> 00:33:37.140 whether they're coming or not? 00:33:37.620 --> 00:33:40.560 Even though there is like nothing obvious that's different. 00:33:41.070 --> 00:33:41.190 Mm-hmm. 00:33:41.190 --> 00:33:41.786 When you, you think. 00:33:42.975 --> 00:33:49.725 Turid: They are so sensitive to small, small changes of, of, uh, electric 00:33:49.725 --> 00:33:52.245 impulses in your body and brain. 00:33:52.935 --> 00:33:53.025 Mm-hmm. 00:33:53.385 --> 00:33:55.155 From, from a distance even. 00:33:55.725 --> 00:34:03.315 And then people are actually using, uh, their voice like, oh, don't do that. 00:34:05.235 --> 00:34:09.015 I mean, they, what the heck do they think dogs are? 00:34:10.230 --> 00:34:15.450 If I, if I would like to praise my dog for something, I would say, what a good dog. 00:34:16.770 --> 00:34:17.310 That's fine. 00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:18.270 Yeah. 00:34:18.270 --> 00:34:20.220 I don't have to say what a good, 00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:27.225 so, uh, we have a lot to learn. 00:34:28.545 --> 00:34:30.075 Yeah, we really have. 00:34:30.075 --> 00:34:35.145 But first and foremost, let go of that control. 00:34:35.895 --> 00:34:40.365 And when you go out for a walk, leave the treats at home. 00:34:40.755 --> 00:34:42.435 Don't go feeding the dog. 00:34:42.435 --> 00:34:44.745 What the heck are you feeding the dog for? 00:34:45.015 --> 00:34:48.285 On the walk is not supposed to go. 00:34:48.285 --> 00:34:52.035 Looking at your pocket is going, is supposed to go. 00:34:52.035 --> 00:34:53.205 Look at the world around. 00:34:54.615 --> 00:34:54.705 It's, 00:34:55.995 --> 00:34:58.365 Anke: it's funny, my mind don't actually, like I've never 00:34:58.365 --> 00:35:00.285 taken treats, not interested. 00:35:00.585 --> 00:35:04.635 Like, no, we're out, like sniffing and not interesting. 00:35:04.755 --> 00:35:05.175 Yeah. 00:35:05.535 --> 00:35:05.805 Well, 00:35:06.075 --> 00:35:09.945 Turid: well treats can be used sometimes when we do some serious training 00:35:09.945 --> 00:35:11.625 because that happens sometimes. 00:35:11.625 --> 00:35:11.626 Mm. 00:35:12.645 --> 00:35:16.185 Uh, but, uh, that is so rare. 00:35:17.355 --> 00:35:19.245 Otherwise, uh, that's no point. 00:35:20.295 --> 00:35:25.905 The only way to use trees is to throw them out in the garden and 00:35:25.905 --> 00:35:28.605 let a dog find them in his own way. 00:35:31.065 --> 00:35:35.745 And, uh, I must say that, um, I'm not impressed about 00:35:35.745 --> 00:35:38.265 the so-called expert either. 00:35:38.265 --> 00:35:43.755 We had some veterinarians visiting here so many years ago. 00:35:44.775 --> 00:35:45.645 And, uh. 00:35:46.530 --> 00:35:51.060 They had taken some behavior classes too, so they felt they were so good 00:35:51.060 --> 00:35:57.690 at behavior and we were sitting out in the yard and, uh, talking about 00:35:57.690 --> 00:36:02.040 different things and I was started to get really mad because they had so little 00:36:02.040 --> 00:36:03.540 knowledge about what they were doing. 00:36:04.355 --> 00:36:09.935 And I was really getting fired up, but I waited to see what was going 00:36:09.935 --> 00:36:15.395 on and then they, uh, dis discovered that I didn't know what I was talking 00:36:15.395 --> 00:36:19.835 about when we talked about, uh, using the nose and finding things. 00:36:20.435 --> 00:36:21.875 They couldn't understand that. 00:36:23.045 --> 00:36:24.395 So I said, okay. 00:36:24.870 --> 00:36:25.620 Sit still. 00:36:26.070 --> 00:36:31.200 I took some treats and I just threw it all over the yard and sat down again 00:36:31.290 --> 00:36:38.730 and my dog started to to search them, and these veterinarian behaviorists 00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:42.990 were sitting, they're saying, how does he know that they are treats there? 00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:50.190 I mean so much for being specialist. 00:36:50.195 --> 00:36:50.275 Wow. 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:51.330 Wow. 00:36:51.330 --> 00:36:52.110 That's scary. 00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:53.400 Scary. 00:36:54.030 --> 00:36:55.470 It scared the hell out of me. 00:36:57.240 --> 00:36:57.600 Yeah. 00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:04.200 And if we are dealing with specialists like that, we will never get anywhere. 00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:06.030 Yeah. 00:37:06.060 --> 00:37:10.620 So if anybody want to learn anything, don't go to specialists. 00:37:11.970 --> 00:37:12.870 Go to the dog. 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:14.340 Mm-hmm. 00:37:14.430 --> 00:37:14.910 I love that. 00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:16.710 Ask your dog. 00:37:17.130 --> 00:37:18.330 What do you really want? 00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:23.520 Well, mom, I like to go out and explore a bit and there's so 00:37:23.520 --> 00:37:25.350 many nice smells around there. 00:37:25.770 --> 00:37:27.240 That's what I would like to do. 00:37:29.520 --> 00:37:29.730 Anke: Yeah. 00:37:29.790 --> 00:37:30.240 I love it. 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:36.150 It's, I think that's, that's part of what, what my mission is with Soul 00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:41.665 Touched by Dogs is that seeing dogs as the wise teachers that they are, you 00:37:41.665 --> 00:37:46.470 know, because I think we so kind of think we know better and I don't, yeah. 00:37:48.685 --> 00:37:55.110 Turid: I got more and more and into this natural ways the older I get. 00:37:55.950 --> 00:38:01.470 And if I happen to be 300 years old, maybe I will be good enough at it. 00:38:02.895 --> 00:38:04.425 I'm still a human being. 00:38:04.425 --> 00:38:09.105 Unfortunately, there's nothing to say about that, but I, I feel like 00:38:09.105 --> 00:38:14.865 I'm a long way and for many years now, we get a lot of, um, old clients 00:38:14.865 --> 00:38:18.045 coming with real big problems in dogs. 00:38:18.705 --> 00:38:18.945 Hmm. 00:38:19.905 --> 00:38:20.325 And. 00:38:21.330 --> 00:38:28.200 They expect some very intricated and advanced techniques and training 00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:32.700 and this and that and everything, and that's not what it's about. 00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:39.960 These natural ways work also for these dogs, more for these dogs 00:38:40.290 --> 00:38:46.590 because they have had a very, very unnatural and limited life. 00:38:48.705 --> 00:38:50.025 Anke: So they can, I mean, that's good. 00:38:50.025 --> 00:38:54.585 That's, that's really comforting to hear that they can recover and they can, you 00:38:54.585 --> 00:38:56.355 know, they've not forgotten to be a dog. 00:38:56.355 --> 00:38:56.655 Right? 00:38:56.655 --> 00:38:59.445 So the moment you allow them to be a dog, they can. 00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:00.750 And there's 00:39:00.750 --> 00:39:04.470 Turid: a lot of people who, uh, when I was traveling around 00:39:04.470 --> 00:39:06.420 that, uh, wanted to test me. 00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:08.760 She can talk about being nice. 00:39:09.870 --> 00:39:12.330 Let's see if she dares to go into that dog. 00:39:12.690 --> 00:39:18.000 So they often sent me into dogs that nobody dare to go into. 00:39:19.145 --> 00:39:21.270 I, I've been into these talks a lot. 00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:24.870 I've never ever been beaten. 00:39:27.945 --> 00:39:35.745 Because if you behave like a decent human being instead of 00:39:35.745 --> 00:39:40.005 a controlling idiot, dogs, no. 00:39:42.585 --> 00:39:47.205 We get, still get, uh, clients with dogs like that now and then 00:39:47.685 --> 00:39:50.895 saying, I don't dare to let him loose because he will bite you and 00:39:50.895 --> 00:39:53.385 say, no, he won't, he won't bite us. 00:39:53.835 --> 00:39:54.555 And he doesn't. 00:39:56.730 --> 00:40:00.120 Anke: I can, I can totally picture the owners be like, 00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:02.010 you know, how is that possible? 00:40:02.430 --> 00:40:02.580 Turid: Yeah. 00:40:02.580 --> 00:40:07.560 Sometimes they sit there holding onto the leash and say, no, no, I don't dare to. 00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:08.550 Because he will bite. 00:40:09.390 --> 00:40:10.620 He never does. 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.570 Never. 00:40:15.990 --> 00:40:16.830 Anke: I mean, that's the thing. 00:40:16.830 --> 00:40:18.420 They're so much smarter than we think. 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:18.510 Right. 00:40:20.790 --> 00:40:21.720 Turid: I trust dogs. 00:40:23.085 --> 00:40:24.105 I trust them. 00:40:24.405 --> 00:40:33.615 I feel I, I, I know so much about their, their nature, how they are, how they 00:40:33.615 --> 00:40:37.335 really are, that I dare to trust them. 00:40:38.805 --> 00:40:45.675 And so far in all my life, and with all the many hundreds of the, of 00:40:45.675 --> 00:40:51.075 dogs I have been hand having my hand on, I've never been disappointed. 00:40:53.370 --> 00:40:55.770 Anke: Can't see that, can't say that for people often, right? 00:40:56.520 --> 00:40:56.970 Turid: Mm-hmm. 00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:57.420 Yeah. 00:40:58.410 --> 00:41:04.860 So, uh, I, I, there's not much I can tell people to start doing. 00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:10.230 I, I would never say, oh, just start doing this and that, and train that and do this. 00:41:10.770 --> 00:41:12.240 That won't help anything. 00:41:12.240 --> 00:41:20.670 You have to change your mindset and try to see and feel how dogs are naturally. 00:41:22.110 --> 00:41:31.260 That is friendly social, fantastically smart in finding ways of the trouble 00:41:33.660 --> 00:41:40.325 and, uh, street wise, and they are to be trusted 00:41:43.230 --> 00:41:43.560 Totally. 00:41:47.370 --> 00:41:51.240 Anke: Where can people go and get in touch with you and find out more 00:41:51.240 --> 00:41:56.550 about, you know, and start changing their mind to, to really respect dogs? 00:41:57.455 --> 00:41:57.745 Well, 00:41:57.745 --> 00:41:57.990 Turid: I do. 00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:02.430 I do get males from people from all over the world every day. 00:42:02.490 --> 00:42:07.110 I answer a lot of males every day, and I can't help them very much 00:42:07.110 --> 00:42:09.865 because, uh, what can you tell on male? 00:42:10.285 --> 00:42:13.945 You don't even know people and what they are doing with their dogs. 00:42:14.005 --> 00:42:16.285 It's, it's not easy at all. 00:42:16.285 --> 00:42:22.165 I try to send them to, uh, any of my students that might be close by so they 00:42:22.165 --> 00:42:25.225 can get some physical help to do it. 00:42:25.705 --> 00:42:26.905 They often need that. 00:42:27.265 --> 00:42:27.475 Yeah. 00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:32.730 Turid: Because one thing is saying to a person, don't 00:42:33.060 --> 00:42:34.650 command the dog all the time. 00:42:34.680 --> 00:42:36.030 Oh, I don't do that. 00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:41.070 And when you listen to them, they have commanded the dog 74 times 00:42:41.070 --> 00:42:44.700 in half an hour without them even noticing that they do it. 00:42:44.745 --> 00:42:45.165 Mm-hmm. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.460 So, uh, uh, they can contact me and I try to help people. 00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:58.830 I try to set them in contact with, uh, uh, trainers who can give them a 00:42:58.830 --> 00:43:01.230 little kick in the ass on the right way 00:43:03.390 --> 00:43:04.260 if they want to. 00:43:04.890 --> 00:43:05.790 Uh, and. 00:43:07.065 --> 00:43:11.445 Of course I can read my book about calming signals, but that is also quite 00:43:11.445 --> 00:43:14.955 misunderstood, particularly by Americans. 00:43:14.985 --> 00:43:17.595 They seem to misunderstand most things. 00:43:18.405 --> 00:43:18.735 So, uh, 00:43:20.895 --> 00:43:25.275 because they try to put the commands on calming signals, they haven't 00:43:25.275 --> 00:43:27.310 even understood that it's a language. 00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:27.950 Mm-hmm. 00:43:28.030 --> 00:43:29.355 That's a way of talking. 00:43:31.155 --> 00:43:31.815 Um. 00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:39.870 So it's not easy, but if people want to, they can contact me on mail, of 00:43:39.870 --> 00:43:42.750 course, and I, I try to help if I can. 00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:50.190 That's all I can, uh, I do, uh, I'm not working very much, uh, anymore 00:43:50.190 --> 00:43:52.710 because, uh, I cannot travel anymore. 00:43:52.710 --> 00:43:53.400 I'm old. 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:58.020 I'm not very physically healthy, so, but I do what I can. 00:43:58.020 --> 00:44:04.320 And I do have a webinar series for, for instance, the Nordic, 00:44:04.830 --> 00:44:07.410 uh, education, uh, center. 00:44:08.235 --> 00:44:09.810 I suppose you have the Yep. 00:44:10.750 --> 00:44:11.610 Anke: On the show Yeah. 00:44:11.715 --> 00:44:12.855 Catalyst, but on the show. 00:44:12.915 --> 00:44:13.065 Turid: Yep. 00:44:13.455 --> 00:44:19.335 So those, uh, I have those webinars and uh, I think that might be a 00:44:19.335 --> 00:44:21.765 little eye opener to some people. 00:44:23.745 --> 00:44:28.455 And, um, then, so not so much more I can do. 00:44:28.905 --> 00:44:30.405 I'm, that's plenty though. 00:44:31.005 --> 00:44:36.435 I'm a mentor for a lot of trainers and I try to help them. 00:44:36.435 --> 00:44:36.855 Uh. 00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:44.460 Overcome their, their fear or letting go of control again, because that 00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.700 seems to be a big fear in people. 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:48.450 Yeah. 00:44:48.930 --> 00:44:51.090 What can I do if I don't have control? 00:44:53.175 --> 00:44:54.690 Anke: And, and what will change? 00:44:54.720 --> 00:44:57.840 What else will change in life once we start doing it? 00:45:00.060 --> 00:45:00.840 Turid: Do you know? 00:45:01.515 --> 00:45:08.595 To see the change in a dog who all of a sudden is allowed to be a dog, the 00:45:08.685 --> 00:45:18.495 joy in their eyes, and they, the way they all of a sudden develop and get 00:45:18.495 --> 00:45:26.295 self-confident and they, you see a totally different personality in that dog. 00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:31.140 Anke: It's easy to imagine like it's, yeah, and it's beautiful 00:45:31.140 --> 00:45:32.340 and I think dogs need it. 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.280 So thank you so much for sharing. 00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:39.930 Uh, this is almost like this 180 degrees, like Yeah, it's, it's. 00:45:41.385 --> 00:45:42.105 I just love, I have 00:45:42.105 --> 00:45:46.155 Turid: a reputation for not being very nice with people, and I admit that 00:45:46.875 --> 00:45:51.855 I, I, I need to tell them the truth, which is not very nice sometimes. 00:45:52.995 --> 00:45:53.475 That's it. 00:45:53.895 --> 00:45:56.475 My mission is to help 00:45:56.475 --> 00:45:57.135 Anke: dogs. 00:45:58.575 --> 00:45:59.715 I love that, and that's how it is. 00:46:00.885 --> 00:46:01.935 Thank you so much. 00:46:02.175 --> 00:46:06.465 Thanks for coming and thanks for sharing, and I've thoroughly 00:46:06.465 --> 00:46:08.145 enjoyed the conversation. 00:46:09.105 --> 00:46:10.455 Good luck with 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